New Color Designations for Copper: RRB and RBB

MrEureka

When I view coins in an auction, I'll make notes on the color of copper coins. Two designations that I use are RRB (for a coin that is mostly Red) and RBB (for a coin that is mostly brown). Obviously, TPGs do not use these designations. But should they?

keets

they should use no designations whatesoever.

ThePennyLady

Andy, When I put grades on my raw coins, I do something similar - I use RB/RD or BN/RB (and vice versa).

drwstr123

May I suggest 'RRD', for "Real Red".

Goldbully

<< <i>May I suggest 'RRD', for "Real Red". >>



How about OWRD?

"Once was Red?"

Baley

I like a good steak medium-medium-rare (halfway between medium-rare and medium)

they "rarely" get it right if I ask for it that way... usually it shows up rare-medium-rare and I have to send it back for a bit more char.. then, more often than not, it returns cooked medium-medium-well, and I have to eat it a little too done for my taste (because if i send it back AGAIN, I'm afraid they'll do something nasty to it)

so now I just order "medium".

So yes, "in betweens" can be useful, but they can also be more trouble than they're worth.

and now I'm hungry

19Lyds

<< <i>When I view coins in an auction, I'll make notes on the color of copper coins. Two designations that I use are RRB (for a coin that is mostly Red) and RBB (for a coin that is mostly brown). Obviously, TPGs do not use these designations. But should they? >>



"I dunno!" - Rudy Bosch, Survivor Palua Tiga

SeattleSlammer

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JRocco

<< <i>I like a good steak medium-medium-rare (halfway between medium-rare and medium)

they "rarely" get it right if I ask for it that way... usually it shows up rare-medium-rare and I have to send it back for a bit more char.. then, more often than not, it returns cooked medium-medium-well, and I have to eat it a little too done for my taste (because if i send it back AGAIN, I'm afraid they'll do something nasty to it)

so now I just order "medium".

So yes, "in betweens" can be useful, but they can also be more trouble than they're worth.

and now I'm hungry >>



Great example Baley of how in life....
the more you try to clear away the mud, the muddier the water gets.

And now I am hungry too Baley...thanks

Type2

I use Nice and Nicer.

coinkat

yes

Sonorandesertrat

<< <i>When I view coins in an auction, I'll make notes on the color of copper coins. Two designations that I use are RRB (for a coin that is mostly Red) and RBB (for a coin that is mostly brown). Obviously, TPGs do not use these designations. But should they? >>



No---we have reached (and possibly passed) the point at which continued splitting of hairs serves no real purpose in the marketplace. Coppers turn if not stored with care, and RD and RB designations on slabs can easily become disconnected from the coins inside. Besides, color designation is pretty obvious, isn't it? If, as a dealer, you think that more slab designations are helpful to you in making sales, great. But, as a collector from decades ago who left the hobby while in graduate school and only returned to numismatics three years ago, I can say that I am not impressed by ANY grades, color designations, or green stickers on slabs. Call me old-fashioned. Good coins sell themselves, not-so-good coins need lots of marketing.

StubbyMcNumbthumbs

....MS63+ Secure Plus RRB/RB+ w/Green Bean...

...where will it all end?????

OH, THE HUMANITY!!!

bidask

Is this discussion going to lead to having some mark, similar to a +, for those copper coins that are more red than other copper coins that don't get the mark ( like a +) ??

Edscoin

On RB, If its mostly Brown They should use a -, If it's mostly red they should use a +
Then you could have say a 66+ RB +

MrEureka

If it's mostly red they should use a + Then you could have say a 66+ RB +

That's no longer an option, because PCGS is already labeling PQ 66RBs "66RB+".

Edscoin

<< <i>If it's mostly red they should use a + Then you could have say a 66+ RB +

That's no longer an option, because PCGS is already labeling PQ 66RBs "66RB+". >>


But two +'s are better than one +

JRocco

<< <i>

<< <i>If it's mostly red they should use a + Then you could have say a 66+ RB +

That's no longer an option, because PCGS is already labeling PQ 66RBs "66RB+". >>


But two +'s are better than one + >>



Oh I can see it now...

66 RB +++--+* with a basketball, a football and a side of fries.

PCcoins

<< <i>

<< <i>

<< <i>If it's mostly red they should use a + Then you could have say a 66+ RB +

That's no longer an option, because PCGS is already labeling PQ 66RBs "66RB+". >>


But two +'s are better than one + >>



Oh I can see it now...

66 RB +++--+* with a basketball, a football and a side of fries. >>



That's good stuff.

ricko

This continued hairsplitting of grades and designations is unbelievable. There will soon be more digits and clarifiers to the grade and appearance than there are digits in the slab serial number. I do not like the direction the hobby is taking. It is less about the coin and more about the commerce. Cheers, RickO

AngryTurtle

<< <i>When I view coins in an auction, I'll make notes on the color of copper coins. Two designations that I use are RRB (for a coin that is mostly Red) and RBB (for a coin that is mostly brown). Obviously, TPGs do not use these designations. But should they? >>



I like it! I always look for RRB's.

amiller

Only two designations are necessary.

Brown

Not Brown... Yet

Julian

I certainly think that it would be helpful.

% of red can be used also, but there is always going to be disagreements between people.

Lakesammman

I like it the way it is.

Justacommeman

I would like to buy a vowel Pat...................MJ

EagleEye

How about:
RD, RRRRRB, RRRRB, RRRB, RRB, RB, RBB, RBBB, RBBBB, RBBBBB, BN

Or just RD, 90%, 80%, 70%, 60%, 50%, 40%, 30%, 20%, 10%, BN

....actually, lets just leave it the way it is and let the market dictate the color variances.

nencoin

<< <i>I like a good steak medium-medium-rare (halfway between medium-rare and medium)

they "rarely" get it right if I ask for it that way... usually it shows up rare-medium-rare and I have to send it back for a bit more char.. then, more often than not, it returns cooked medium-medium-well, and I have to eat it a little too done for my taste (because if i send it back AGAIN, I'm afraid they'll do something nasty to it)

so now I just order "medium".

So yes, "in betweens" can be useful, but they can also be more trouble than they're worth.

and now I'm hungry >>



I'm similar, but I like between medium and medium-well. That's why I prefer going to Ruth's Chris when the opportunity arises. They serve their steaks on 500 degree plates. I ask for medium then when it arrives, I promptly cut the steak in half and turn it on its sides. Perfectly done steak every time! And although I just ate lunch, I am hungry as well.

I think anything more than RD, RB, and BN would lead to issues. If the grading services are hesitant to guarantee copper, then they certainly couldn't guarantee RRB coins from becoming RB or RBB.

Julian

<< <i>How about:
RD, RRRRRB, RRRRB, RRRB, RRB, RB, RBB, RBBB, RBBBB, RBBBBB, BN

Or just RD, 90%, 80%, 70%, 60%, 50%, 40%, 30%, 20%, 10%, BN

....actually, lets just leave it the way it is and let the market dictate the color variances. >>



And then, why don't we just let the market decide what the grades are.

That is the way that it was back in my early years.

Maybe it should be again.

RWB

I used to use “NR” for “nearly red” and “NR” for “not red,” but it was confusing.

Now I just use “CAC” for “can’t afford coin.”

MikeInFL

<< <i>When I view coins in an auction, I'll make notes on the color of copper coins. Two designations that I use are RRB (for a coin that is mostly Red) and RBB (for a coin that is mostly brown). Obviously, TPGs do not use these designations. But should they? >>



No, not unless they are going to put their money where their mouth is, IMO. Given PCGS does not stand behind their RB and RD grades for coins graded today, the answer in my mind should be no, they should not start to use these designations....Mike

Shamika

PLEASE STOP!!!!

Bear

Good Red...best.Red....More bester Red!

jhdfla

<< <i>

<< <i>How about:
RD, RRRRRB, RRRRB, RRRB, RRB, RB, RBB, RBBB, RBBBB, RBBBBB, BN

Or just RD, 90%, 80%, 70%, 60%, 50%, 40%, 30%, 20%, 10%, BN

....actually, lets just leave it the way it is and let the market dictate the color variances. >>



And then, why don't we just let the market decide what the grades are.

That is the way that it was back in my early years.

Maybe it should be again. >>



I've read a lot of your posts Julian, and I have to say that's about the best one you've ever made. Too bad it could never happen eh?

(I was gonna agree with Keets and then add let the market decide, but Rick beat me to it)

John

Baley

And then, why don't we just let the market decide what the grades are.

That is the way that it was back in my early years.

Maybe it should be again.


While we're at it, let's let "the market" decide authenticity, too.