Enjoy your 25 wins in the NL East Mr. Halladay
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Roy is real good. Has anyone won 25 games in the last 20 years other than Welch and Stone 30 years ago?
Halladay will not win 25. Doesn't he normally miss like 3 starts?
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<< <i>Halladay is good, but calm down folks, it's just one game. >>
It's opening day - the one day each year when "Calming down" isn't required.
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<< <i>If he doesn't win 30, won't they boo him out of town?? >>
+1. Halladay looked strong today (in the box score at least). But I hope he realizes he's not in Toronto anymore. He'll have to learn to deal with unrealistic expectations from fans with a "what have you done for me lately" mentality who aren't opposed to booing their stars if they stumble from time to time. Despite the Phili fans, I still think he wins 20 games. BUT, you can forget about the Cy Young in that ballpark. His ERA will be too close to 4 to battle for a CY.
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<< <i>I'm hoping that Lincecum and Halladay are each so outstanding that it is the closest Cy Young voting in years. >>
That would be great! 2 of the best pitchers in baseball right now.
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<< <i><< I'm hoping that Lincecum and Halladay are each so outstanding that it is the closest Cy Young voting in years. >>
That would be great! 2 of the best pitchers in baseball right now. >>
We haven't had a Cy Young tie since 1969 when Mike Cuellar and Denny McLain did it. It'll be harder for that to happen these days, since they've got 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc place votes to deal with.
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but then again I don't really care about the Phillies.
I always suspected that deep down you were a Met fan...
Steve is, too, he's just suppressing it...
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<< <i>but then again I don't really care about the Phillies.
I always suspected that deep down you were a Met fan...
Steve is, too, he's just suppressing it...
Call me fat, bald, ugly, and stupid...but please don't call me a Mets fan - that is a real insult.
Becuase NOBODY ever goes like this all season. It won't last. He'll have some bad outtings, hit a rough streak, etc.... At least that's my guess. He'll end up 22-6, 2.75 ERA, and win the Cy Young.
<< <i>Great pick up for the Phillies. Cliff Lee was good; but this guy is great. I would bet a game between him and Lincecum would be great matchup. >>
The difference between Halladay and Lincecum is that Halladay has a potent lineup behind him and Lincecum has a crap lineup behind him. What happened to Jonathan Sanchez the other day is going to be a common theme for Giants pitchers: 7 innings, one hit, 10 Ks... lost 1-0.
<< <i>Great pick up for the Phillies. Cliff Lee was good; but this guy is great. I would bet a game between him and Lincecum would be great matchup. >>
Given that Lee will miss at least a month, the Phillies look even smarter...
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<< <i>Great pick up for the Phillies. Cliff Lee was good; but this guy is great. I would bet a game between him and Lincecum would be great matchup. >>
Given that Lee will miss at least a month, the Phillies look even smarter...
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The Phillies really have been making the smart moves these past few years.
It's a great time to be a Phillies fan!
<< <i>I think the Cy Young will go to where it was stolen last year and that is Adam Wainright in St Louis. >>
Stolen? If any award was stolen last year, it was taken from Ron Gardenhire and given to Mike Scioscia.
<< <i>So how did those Big Apple boys do against Mr. Cy Young today ?
Cy Young? He won't even win NL pitcher of the month for April
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<< <i>you may have to change the title to "Enjoy your 30 wins in the NL East Mr. Halladay".....he has been superb so far.... >>
Hallady won't win 15 let alone 20 or 25 if Manuel continues to run him into the ground like he has done in April. 3 Complete games and throwing 118 pitches when his team is up 10-0? Mr Manual may want to call Dusty Baker and talk to him about a phenom named Mark Prior who Dusty ran into the ground a few years back. Hallady appears to be going down that same path. Old Hoss Radburn anyone? Hallady is no doubt a great pitcher but come on, take him out after 7 innings. Just wait and see come August.
on 3 days rest. He is a horse and the old dog knows what to do.
<< <i>Is a ten run lead enough for the Phillies pen? I dont' think so. Halladay hasn't even hit 100 pitches in the 8th inning. Keep the guy in, its not like he is pitching
on 3 days rest. He is a horse and the old dog knows what to do. >>
Okay i'll save this quote for later in the year when he goes on the DL.
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<< <i>Is a ten run lead enough for the Phillies pen? I dont' think so. Halladay hasn't even hit 100 pitches in the 8th inning. Keep the guy in, its not like he is pitching
on 3 days rest. He is a horse and the old dog knows what to do. >>
Okay i'll save this quote for later in the year when he goes on the DL. >>
I don't get it - you want guys to close out games and not rely on their bullpen, but then you chastise a team who lets their guy close out a game with a reasonable pitch count? Color me confused.
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<< <i>Is a ten run lead enough for the Phillies pen? I dont' think so. Halladay hasn't even hit 100 pitches in the 8th inning. Keep the guy in, its not like he is pitching
on 3 days rest. He is a horse and the old dog knows what to do. >>
Okay i'll save this quote for later in the year when he goes on the DL. >>
I don't get it - you want guys to close out games and not rely on their bullpen, but then you chastise a team who lets their guy close out a game with a reasonable pitch count? Color me confused. >>
Not that confusing, it was 10-0, not 3-1 or whatever it was whn Lincecum was pulled. The game was not in doubt. Rest your horse for later when you will need him to push it a bit.
First: Mark Prior broke down and continues to break down due to poor arm mechanics. Many people before the draft felt this would happen. Kerry Wood's breaking ball was also a disaster waiting to happen. There was a great ESPN story about this and how they can predict injuries based on mechanics much better now. Steve Phillips is actually a pioneer in this field.
Second: Halladay has proven over the course of many years to not be bothered by these types of pitch counts and innings pitched. Were not talking about a rookie who hasn't ever pitched 200 innings in a game. He has done it for many many years.
Third: Wainwrights own teammate cost him the Cy Young and Lincecum was more than deserving.
<< <i>The comparison to Mark Prior being overused and breaking down and how that could happen to Hallady is ridiculous.
First: Mark Prior broke down and continues to break down due to poor arm mechanics. Many people before the draft felt this would happen. Kerry Wood's breaking ball was also a disaster waiting to happen. There was a great ESPN story about this and how they can predict injuries based on mechanics much better now. Steve Phillips is actually a pioneer in this field.
Second: Halladay has proven over the course of many years to not be bothered by these types of pitch counts and innings pitched. Were not talking about a rookie who hasn't ever pitched 200 innings in a game. He has done it for many many years.
Third: Wainwrights own teammate cost him the Cy Young and Lincecum was more than deserving. >>
I agree he was not as bad a choice as some have made him out to be but I dont believe he was more than deserving. In my opinion, and it is only my opinion, when all else is equal and to me strikeouts do not seperate anything, then wins and who makes the playoffs has got to play a factor because shocker, thats why they are palying, to win the World series, not to see who can rack up the most K's. Now if Carpenter and Winright had ERA's in the 3's then its a different story but they were all 3 within a half run a game making it pretty much a wash. History has shown, whether right or wrong in your eye, right in mine, obviously wrong in yours, that at the end of the day wins has to count for something. Yes part of it has to do with your team but part of it has to do with bearing down in a 2-1 or 3-2 game when your team is ahead. Looking at 2009 several of Tim's loses seem to come in close 1 or 2 run games he was on the wrong end of the score. You can't, or shouldnt anyway, simply give it to whoever ends up with the most K's or lowest ERA at the end of the season. There is way more variables than that involved.
<< <i>I agree he was not as bad a choice as some have made him out to be but I dont believe he was more than deserving. In my opinion, and it is only my opinion, when all else is equal and to me strikeouts do not seperate anything, then wins and who makes the playoffs has got to play a factor because shocker, thats why they are palying, to win the World series, not to see who can rack up the most K's. Now if Carpenter and Winright had ERA's in the 3's then its a different story but they were all 3 within a half run a game making it pretty much a wash. History has shown, whether right or wrong in your eye, right in mine, obviously wrong in yours, that at the end of the day wins has to count for something. Yes part of it has to do with your team but part of it has to do with bearing down in a 2-1 or 3-2 game when your team is ahead. Looking at 2009 several of Tim's loses seem to come in close 1 or 2 run games he was on the wrong end of the score. You can't, or shouldnt anyway, simply give it to whoever ends up with the most K's or lowest ERA at the end of the season. There is way more variables than that involved. >>
My counterpoint, simply, is that in an individual pitching award I put much more weight on statistics that are almost entirely in the pitcher's control than those which depend on the performance of the rest of the team. Your argument for Wainwright or Carpenter over Lincecum is based almost exclusively on factors not directly controlled by the pitchers (i.e. how many runs the team scores for them, whether or not the rest of the team was good enough to make the playoffs).
<< <i>My counterpoint, simply, is that in an individual pitching award I put much more weight on statistics that are almost entirely in the pitcher's control than those which depend on the performance of the rest of the team. Your argument for Wainwright or Carpenter over Lincecum is based almost exclusively on factors not directly controlled by the pitchers (i.e. how many runs the team scores for them, whether or not the rest of the team was good enough to make the playoffs). >>
Exactly. Is a pitcher any less brilliant because in the 4 games a week he doesn't participate his team doesn't fare as well (and subsequently could miss the playoffs). Even when he does pitch, look at what is going on with Greinke this year again. 0-3, 2.27 ERA, .98 whip. On his way to Cy caliber peripherals for sure, but he gets no help from that offense.
dcaudle - I know you think there are more variables involved than K's and ERA (and there are), but trust me - looking at most will still point to the same conclusion...Lincecum is better than Wainwright. Lincecum had a much better FIP (fielding independent pitching ERA) and WAR (wins above replacement). There is no stat for guts or performance or whatever you seem to want to quantify...just performance.
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<< <i>My counterpoint, simply, is that in an individual pitching award I put much more weight on statistics that are almost entirely in the pitcher's control than those which depend on the performance of the rest of the team. Your argument for Wainwright or Carpenter over Lincecum is based almost exclusively on factors not directly controlled by the pitchers (i.e. how many runs the team scores for them, whether or not the rest of the team was good enough to make the playoffs). >>
Exactly. Is a pitcher any less brilliant because in the 4 games a week he doesn't participate his team doesn't fare as well (and subsequently could miss the playoffs). Even when he does pitch, look at what is going on with Greinke this year again. 0-3, 2.27 ERA, .98 whip. On his way to Cy caliber peripherals for sure, but he gets no help from that offense.
dcaudle - I know you think there are more variables involved than K's and ERA (and there are), but trust me - looking at most will still point to the same conclusion...Lincecum is better than Wainwright. Lincecum had a much better FIP (fielding independent pitching ERA) and WAR (wins above replacement). There is no stat for guts or performance or whatever you seem to want to quantify...just performance. >>
I need a bit of an education on what a FIP stat is and how is is calculated? Can you help me out on that?
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