Ridiculous Paypal Policy and How it Affects Costs
halfcentman
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Paypal requires Signature Confirmation for orders over $250.00.
However, if you insure an item for over $200.00, or send an item Registered Mail the item has to be signed for anyway.
I know that Paypal wants to have an electronic copy, but their inelastic mentality regarding this topic is utterly ridiculous because why should the buyer have to pay unnecessary shipping costs. It's bad enough that the topic of S&H is a hotbed for discussion, this just adds more fuel to the fire.
The only case that I had against Paypal I won because I sent the item Registered, and produced a signature. It took a little work, but it was not a huge problem because I have a very cooperative Post Office. It's stuff like that why I bake them brownies every other month.
I would like to hear your input on this,
Greg
However, if you insure an item for over $200.00, or send an item Registered Mail the item has to be signed for anyway.
I know that Paypal wants to have an electronic copy, but their inelastic mentality regarding this topic is utterly ridiculous because why should the buyer have to pay unnecessary shipping costs. It's bad enough that the topic of S&H is a hotbed for discussion, this just adds more fuel to the fire.
The only case that I had against Paypal I won because I sent the item Registered, and produced a signature. It took a little work, but it was not a huge problem because I have a very cooperative Post Office. It's stuff like that why I bake them brownies every other month.
I would like to hear your input on this,
Greg
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The "online viewable" policy is necessary; without it, INR-claims
could take weeks/months to resolve.
IMV, the $250 threshold should be lowered substantially.
A $249.00 item that is misdelivered BUT shows as "delivered" by
USPS DC, will cost the buyer a $249.00 loss. (USPS will investigate
such cases IF the lost item was USPS-insured, but PayPal offers no
buyer-protection against the loss.)
Sig-Con is a worthwhile service.
<< <i>I think that any item sold on ebay, the shipping cost should be left up to the seller and the buyer should not be allowed to ding the seller on shipping cost or shipping time, I just sold an item which stated 10.00 S/H and the buyer starts crying hey I live close to you so you should give me a break (BS), started checking and low and behold with the box and packing material,that I had to buy + paypals 2.9% fee, it cost me 10.43 and I bet the buyer dings me because the post office label says it cost 8.28. so I screwed the buyer out of 1.72 when in reality it cost me 72 cents more than what I charged the buyer. Thanks Ebay/Thanks paypal . remember Feebay and payupurbuttpal are one in the same. Yes I have been drinking and have not took my meds today so it's all my fault. &^^%^%#%$%&^&^ Happy new year. >>
I think the bottom line here is that sellers like you are bad for the hobby.
<< <i>I think that any item sold on ebay, the shipping cost should be left up to the seller and the buyer should not be allowed to ding the seller on shipping cost or shipping time, I just sold an item which stated 10.00 S/H and the buyer starts crying hey I live close to you so you should give me a break (BS), started checking and low and behold with the box and packing material,that I had to buy + paypals 2.9% fee, it cost me 10.43 and I bet the buyer dings me because the post office label says it cost 8.28. so I screwed the buyer out of 1.72 when in reality it cost me 72 cents more than what I charged the buyer. Thanks Ebay/Thanks paypal . remember Feebay and payupurbuttpal are one in the same. Yes I have been drinking and have not took my meds today so it's all my fault. &^^%^%#%$%&^&^ Happy new year. >>
I am right there with you....maybe not on shipping time, but there could be some things on shipping. For example, when you list the item you note how long handling time you have in the auction. I dont remember the options now. Its like 1-2 days, 3-4 days, 5 days I think. Some things or high priced items need to be sent confirmed or they may lock up funds from your PP at times until delivery shows delivered. In the same system, they could not allow you to give bad shipping stars if the stated ebay handling time, plus a reasonable shipping time 3-4 is met.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
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<< <i>I think that any item sold on ebay, the shipping cost should be left up to the seller and the buyer should not be allowed to ding the seller on shipping cost or shipping time, I just sold an item which stated 10.00 S/H and the buyer starts crying hey I live close to you so you should give me a break (BS), started checking and low and behold with the box and packing material,that I had to buy + paypals 2.9% fee, it cost me 10.43 and I bet the buyer dings me because the post office label says it cost 8.28. so I screwed the buyer out of 1.72 when in reality it cost me 72 cents more than what I charged the buyer. Thanks Ebay/Thanks paypal . remember Feebay and payupurbuttpal are one in the same. Yes I have been drinking and have not took my meds today so it's all my fault. &^^%^%#%$%&^&^ Happy new year. >>
I think the bottom line here is that sellers like you are bad for the hobby. >>
LOL and you are the type of collector that is bad for the hobby! Happy christmas & merry new year .
2.charge buyer 2.75 for item, post office charges 2.19 + 20 cents for bubble mailer + bubble wrap + paper & ink for invoice + tape to seal package properly + gas + time. so seller in buyers warped mind screwed him out of 56 cents give seller 2 stars.
3. PSA 8 Joe blow won't upgrade to a PSA 9 give seller 3 stars for item description and not mentioning this in his ad.
4. communication : seller didn't email you 3 times to kiss buyers butt over a 9.00 card. give seller 3 stars.
5. give the seller a neutral because according to ebay and in the buyers mind this doesn't hurt the seller.
6. seller knows your address and your name hunts you down like a dog and gives you .45 star.
7. I love everyone. LOL
<< <i>It doesn't matter....in 8 years, Ebay will be a distant memory....kinda like AOL/Netscape, bag phones and pagers..... >>
Explain please.
Shane
<< <i>1.Shipping time: the seller ships within 24 hrs of payment, post office screws up and takes 10 days to deliver. Sellers fault give him 1 star
2.charge buyer 2.75 for item, post office charges 2.19 + 20 cents for bubble mailer + bubble wrap + paper & ink for invoice + tape to seal package properly + gas + time. so seller in buyers warped mind screwed him out of 56 cents give seller 2 stars.
3. PSA 8 Joe blow won't upgrade to a PSA 9 give seller 3 stars for item description and not mentioning this in his ad.
4. communication : seller didn't email you 3 times to kiss buyers butt over a 9.00 card. give seller 3 stars.
5. give the seller a neutral because according to ebay and in the buyers mind this doesn't hurt the seller.
6. seller knows your address and your name hunts you down like a dog and gives you .45 star.
7. I love everyone. LOL >>
You must know your audience. If you sell on ebay you are dealing with idiots.
http://www.unisquare.com/store/brick/
Ralph
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<< <i>I think that any item sold on ebay, the shipping cost should be left up to the seller and the buyer should not be allowed to ding the seller on shipping cost or shipping time, I just sold an item which stated 10.00 S/H and the buyer starts crying hey I live close to you so you should give me a break (BS), started checking and low and behold with the box and packing material,that I had to buy + paypals 2.9% fee, it cost me 10.43 and I bet the buyer dings me because the post office label says it cost 8.28. so I screwed the buyer out of 1.72 when in reality it cost me 72 cents more than what I charged the buyer. Thanks Ebay/Thanks paypal . remember Feebay and payupurbuttpal are one in the same. Yes I have been drinking and have not took my meds today so it's all my fault. &^^%^%#%$%&^&^ Happy new year. >>
I think the bottom line here is that sellers like you are bad for the hobby. >>
To help offset your paypal fee, you jack up your shipping charge? Can you say SCUMBAG seller?
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To help offset your paypal fee, you jack up your shipping charge? Can you say SCUMBAG seller? >>
The above is like a pot calling a kettle black.
Agree with KB cards.
Steve
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<< <i>I think that any item sold on ebay, the shipping cost should be left up to the seller and the buyer should not be allowed to ding the seller on shipping cost or shipping time, I just sold an item which stated 10.00 S/H and the buyer starts crying hey I live close to you so you should give me a break (BS), started checking and low and behold with the box and packing material,that I had to buy + paypals 2.9% fee, it cost me 10.43 and I bet the buyer dings me because the post office label says it cost 8.28. so I screwed the buyer out of 1.72 when in reality it cost me 72 cents more than what I charged the buyer. Thanks Ebay/Thanks paypal . remember Feebay and payupurbuttpal are one in the same. Yes I have been drinking and have not took my meds today so it's all my fault. &^^%^%#%$%&^&^ Happy new year. >>
I think the bottom line here is that sellers like you are bad for the hobby. >>
To help offset your paypal fee, you jack up your shipping charge? Can you say SCUMBAG seller? >>
well I think that describes about 98% of the Ebay sellers that are still in business. 10.00 shipping charge means for the seller to break even on Shipping they must be able to ship the item for 9.70.
As a buyer , I just look at how much the seller wants for shipping and figure that amount in with my maximum bid. if the shipping charge is 12.00 and the item is worth 25.00 bucks to me I bid 13.00. if I win I really don't care if it costs 15.00 or 1.50 to ship the item to me as long as it arrives safely and undamaged.
Too many whiners and crybabies that can't read TOS or wants to renegotiate the terms of sale after they have won the auction.
The same buyers then cry when Free shipping is offered and wonder why the card they bought shows up in a PWE crumpled and creased. I use new bubble mailers + boxes to insure the item get to the buyer in the same condition it leaves me, but I almost never offer Free shipping (unless I already have it figured in with the starting price).
Do you think that walmarts or any retailer doesn't have their shipping cost (what it costs in shipping to get the item to them) already figured in the final price that they charge you at the checkout.
<< <i>As a buyer , I just look at how much the seller wants for shipping and figure that amount in with my maximum bid. if the shipping charge is 12.00 and the item is worth 25.00 bucks to me I bid 13.00. if I win I really don't care if it costs 15.00 or 1.50 to ship the item to me as long as it arrives safely and undamaged.
Too many whiners and crybabies that can't read TOS or wants to renegotiate the terms of sale after they have won the auction.
The same buyers then cry when Free shipping is offered and wonder why the card they bought shows up in a PWE crumpled and creased. I use new bubble mailers + boxes to insure the item get to the buyer in the same condition it leaves me, but I almost never offer Free shipping (unless I already have it figured in with the starting price).
Do you think that walmarts or any retailer doesn't have their shipping cost (what it costs in shipping to get the item to them) already figured in the final price that they charge you at the checkout. >>
Steve
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>All businesses figure in cost gecko....and should if they want to remain in business. >>
Ever hear of the term "cost of doing business"? Thats where the 2.9% paypal falls under. If I buy card "x" for $200, and sell it on ebay for $350, and my total ebay/paypal fees are $25, then I made a profit of $125. To go ahead and incorporate that paypal fee into my shipping costs is a scumbag, dishonest way to do business. That should be considered part of my overhead and shouldnt be passed off to the customer in a "disguised" manner like that. The buyer already paid for my fees.....you did notice that my profit was $125, correct?
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
Before I use to sell the graded for $9 and $2.50 shipping, plus $0.50 each additional. Now, that same card I have to sell for $12 with free shipping, I get about the same, ebay gets more fees, buyer pays more. Before, same card, if a person bought more then one item, which many people will/would, they would have saved $3 over now cost, however with free shipping, a person is less likely to buy multiples.
So end result, higher cost to customer and less sales for seller. I am still going to get what I want for the item. It does not matter where or how I pass my fees to you, I have to remain in business.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>It just shows you have never owned a business. >>
As I stated in my above post, I already "charged" the customer with paying all my "expenses"....and still made a $125 profit. But if it "shows that I have never owned a business" because I feel its wrong to DOUBLE CHARGE via shipping costs, then you are right. I guess I dont have the blood sucking mindset to own a business. Im too content with charging my customers just once.
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I sell meteorites all the time that I found.....it doesn't mean they didn't cost me anything.
Edot to add: Most meteorites will break up creating a lot of pieaces and meteorite sellers take stones and cut them into small pieces for other collectors. I didn't want it to sound like I found a 1000 different meteorites or something crazy.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>Never argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level...then beat you with experience.... >>
You are correct. Keep on charging twice....once in the hammer price, and again with the shipping charges. I'll just charge my customers 1 time, they pay actual shipping costs.
Edited to add: I have sold about $15,000-$20,000 worth of material this year so far on ebay and have come out quite a bit ahead....too bad I dont have the low morals of some of you, or else I might have an extra 2.9% profit!!!
As usual you turn the original statement upside down.
Shane did not say his fees were 25.00.
IIRC it was 10.00 for shipping and he mentioned that he included all his overhead into that charge.
You called him a scum bag over what amounted to 2.00?
Give us a break, I know you want to be right all the time but lets be fair here.
Steve
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<< <i>Never argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level...then beat you with experience.... >>
You are correct. Keep on charging twice....once in the hammer price, and again with the shipping charges. I'll just charge my customers 1 time, they pay actual shipping costs.
Edited to add: I have sold about $15,000-$20,000 worth of material this year so far on ebay and have come out quite a bit ahead....too bad I dont have the low morals of some of you, or else I might have an extra 2.9% profit!!!
I am just trying to explain basic business to you Gecko, this is with everything you buy in life. Cost is figured into everything, no need for childish insults.
In our examples above, we charged the customer the same thing. You just some how don't understand that in a business model you did not make $125. Not unless your whole business model is that card and that one single card alone. That does not describe most businesses I know.
There are many on this list, myself included, that sell for a living Gecko, it is unlikely you want to compare numbers or feedback to show who knows something.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
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<< <i>Never argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level...then beat you with experience.... >>
You are correct. Keep on charging twice....once in the hammer price, and again with the shipping charges. I'll just charge my customers 1 time, they pay actual shipping costs.
Edited to add: I have sold about $15,000-$20,000 worth of material this year so far on ebay and have come out quite a bit ahead....too bad I dont have the low morals of some of you, or else I might have an extra 2.9% profit!!!
I am just trying to explain basic business to you Gecko, this is with everything you buy in life. Cost is figured into everything, no need for childish insults.
In our examples above, we charged the customer the same thing. You just some how don't understand that in a business model you did not make $125. Not unless your whole business model is that card and that one single card alone. That does not describe most businesses I know.
There are many on this list, myself included, that sell for a living Gecko, it is unlikely you want to compare numbers or feedback to show who knows something. >>
Ok hotshot. Show me your ebay ID. Lets see just how much "revenue" you generate! (Remember, it was YOU who just opened this can of worms in the above post).
However, I have no interest in exchanging tit for tats with someone acting like a kid.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>Act like an adult and we can compare numbers if that will somehow show you something. I have 100% feedback and I do not have all my eggs in eBay's basket so I don't see how that relates to say the milk at the local store has the cost of the seller, the cost of the transporter and the cost of the dairy....each with a little profit built in.
However, I have no interest in exchanging tit for tats with someone acting like a kid. >>
Respect begets respect. And by basically saying that I know nothing about business simply because I dont make my living by doing so is disrespectful. Here are some facts, and I can PROVE them to you....
Fact #1---I have over 770 transactions in just under 5 years on ebay with perfect feedback
Fact #2---My DSR's are 4.9 5.0 5.0, and 4.8
Fact #3---I have well over $15,000 in sales since the 1st of the year on ebay ALONE (perhaps another $10,000+ in private deals)
Just based on the above FACTS, you cannot tell me I know nothing about selling simply because I have a real job that pays real well. Respect begets respect.
I've got someone here who hasn't reported nearly $30,000 in revenue...
Sure, I can forward you the information, but let me warn you, he'll tell you it's not income and that he can't be taxed on it because . . . well, because he's always right.
<< <i>Hello I.R.S.?
I've got someone here who hasn't reported nearly $30,000 in revenue...
Sure, I can forward you the information, but let me warn you, he'll tell you it's not income and that he can't be taxed on it because . . . well, because he's always right. >>
Its amazing how obtuse you can be!!! Revenue generated in 2010 gets reported/claimed on the 2011 tax filing. Surprised you didnt know this!!!
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<< <i>Hello I.R.S.?
I've got someone here who hasn't reported nearly $30,000 in revenue...
Sure, I can forward you the information, but let me warn you, he'll tell you it's not income and that he can't be taxed on it because . . . well, because he's always right. >>
Its amazing how obtuse you can be!!! Revenue generated in 2010 gets reported/claimed on the 2011 tax filing. Surprised you didnt know this!!! >>
Amazing how you prefer to take things literally when you can pretend to be right and juxtapose them when you might be wrong.
I thought even dolts understood sarcasm and satire.
In any event, I seriously doubt any of this "income" will be reported.
Back to your regularly scheduled programming.
Or are you a scumbag tax cheat?
Steve
Steve
<< <i>Ok I'll bite, how much did you make last year (on ebay) Gecko and did you claim it on your 09 federal taxes?
Or are you a scumbag tax cheat?
Steve >>
Steve, I made nothing in 2009 on ebay....I broke even on every item I sold.
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<< <i>It just shows you have never owned a business. >>
As I stated in my above post, I already "charged" the customer with paying all my "expenses"....and still made a $125 profit. But if it "shows that I have never owned a business" because I feel its wrong to DOUBLE CHARGE via shipping costs, then you are right. I guess I dont have the blood sucking mindset to own a business. Im too content with charging my customers just once.
Steve, I made nothing in 2009 on ebay....I broke even on every item I sold. But I did pay $24,000 in Federal taxes this past year, $5,000 of which was refunded....making my contribution a net of $19,000. Now its YOUR turn to disclose YOUR finances.
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<< <i>It just shows you have never owned a business. >>
I AGREE
I AGREE
I AGREE
Most people who come up with nonsense like "cost of doing business" have NEVER been in or owned a business (at least a successful one. Buyers who complain about S&H costs when the costs are clearly mentioned in the listings are complete and utter idiots...PERIOD!!!
<< <i>Steve, I made nothing in 2009 on ebay....I broke even on every item I sold >>
Just what I thought, typical BS artist. Likes to bring into question other peoples 'morals'
but in fact lacks them more than the very people he claims has none.
Steve
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<< <i>Act like an adult and we can compare numbers if that will somehow show you something. I have 100% feedback and I do not have all my eggs in eBay's basket so I don't see how that relates to say the milk at the local store has the cost of the seller, the cost of the transporter and the cost of the dairy....each with a little profit built in.
However, I have no interest in exchanging tit for tats with someone acting like a kid. >>
Respect begets respect. And by basically saying that I know nothing about business simply because I dont make my living by doing so is disrespectful. Here are some facts, and I can PROVE them to you....
Fact #1---I have over 770 transactions in just under 5 years on ebay with perfect feedback
Fact #2---My DSR's are 4.9 5.0 5.0, and 4.8
Fact #3---I have well over $15,000 in sales since the 1st of the year on ebay ALONE (perhaps another $10,000+ in private deals)
Just based on the above FACTS, you cannot tell me I know nothing about selling simply because I have a real job that pays real well. Respect begets respect. >>
Dont you ever get sick of reminding everyone how much you make at your job. You always seem to work that in in some way. I remember being told as a kid that braggers are usually lying or making of for some deficiency in their lives. So what is it Gecko...are you lying or making up for your "short comings"?
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<< <i>It just shows you have never owned a business. >>
As I stated in my above post, I already "charged" the customer with paying all my "expenses"....and still made a $125 profit. But if it "shows that I have never owned a business" because I feel its wrong to DOUBLE CHARGE via shipping costs, then you are right. I guess I dont have the blood sucking mindset to own a business. Im too content with charging my customers just once.
Don't worry- you can at least go to bed at night knowing the employer at whose teat you suckle does, in fact, have the 'blood sucking mindset' needed to own a business. Because if he didn't, you wouldn't have a job.
Ok, im a liar. That was easy.
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<< <i>It just shows you have never owned a business. >>
As I stated in my above post, I already "charged" the customer with paying all my "expenses"....and still made a $125 profit. But if it "shows that I have never owned a business" because I feel its wrong to DOUBLE CHARGE via shipping costs, then you are right. I guess I dont have the blood sucking mindset to own a business. Im too content with charging my customers just once.
Don't worry- you can at least go to bed at night knowing the employer at whose teat you suckle does, in fact, have the 'blood sucking mindset' needed to own a business. Because if he didn't, you wouldn't have a job. >>
I didnt realize that the city of Chicago charges its residents for sending fire apparatus to their homes. Thanks for the enlightenment though.
"...I didnt realize that the city of Chicago charges its residents for sending fire apparatus to their homes...."
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<< <i>It just shows you have never owned a business. >>
As I stated in my above post, I already "charged" the customer with paying all my "expenses"....and still made a $125 profit. But if it "shows that I have never owned a business" because I feel its wrong to DOUBLE CHARGE via shipping costs, then you are right. I guess I dont have the blood sucking mindset to own a business. Im too content with charging my customers just once.
Don't worry- you can at least go to bed at night knowing the employer at whose teat you suckle does, in fact, have the 'blood sucking mindset' needed to own a business. Because if he didn't, you wouldn't have a job. >>
I didnt realize that the city of Chicago charges its residents for sending fire apparatus to their homes. Thanks for the enlightenment though.
You can't buy this kind of entertainment. God bless you, Sir- you bring more to these boards then you may ever realize.
<< <i>So what is it Gecko...are you lying or making up for your "short comings"?
Ok, im a liar. That was easy.
At least you finally have admitted it. This might have been the most honest thing out of your mouth yet!