I thought I'd share my latest purchase/gamble. UPDATE w/Seaver Rookie GRADE IN !!
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VCP on a 5 is $303 and the seller has guaranteed me that it has no wrinkles and if it doesn't grade then he'll refund my money. Thoughts?
Raw baby, raw!
Scans of card in hand on Page 4.
GRADE on PAGE 7
Raw baby, raw!
Scans of card in hand on Page 4.
GRADE on PAGE 7
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I purchased a bunch from candiman a few months ago. Cards all looked good on ebay but when I got them, they didn't look so good. I ended up sending 2/3 of my order back after a SNAD complaint.
I'm sure the card will grade, and I'm hoping that it grades better than a 5...Best of luck!
<< <i>With that guarantee, seems pretty nice! >>
yeah, I thought so too. If it 6.5's or 7's then it's a pretty good score.
i avoid his auctions, the pics are really too small, quite a few neutrals and negs the last month from folks who are probably as picky as I am. Looks like in most cases he refunded, in some he did not.
hopefully you get what your looking for
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I purchased a bunch from candiman a few months ago. Cards all looked good on ebay but when I got them, they didn't look so good. I ended up sending 2/3 of my order back after a SNAD complaint.
I'm sure the card will grade, and I'm hoping that it grades better than a 5...Best of luck! >>
did you purchase it at a price where worst case scenario you don't lose?
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<< <i>Ugh....
I purchased a bunch from candiman a few months ago. Cards all looked good on ebay but when I got them, they didn't look so good. I ended up sending 2/3 of my order back after a SNAD complaint.
I'm sure the card will grade, and I'm hoping that it grades better than a 5...Best of luck! >>
did you purchase it at a price where worst case scenario you don't lose? >>
Mine were '60 high number commons. Paid close to book on some and maybe 65% book on the others. But as I said, the condition didn't match the auctions. He took some really good pictures that hid the problems.
<< <i>that background looked familiar.
i avoid his auctions, the pics are really too small, quite a few neutrals and negs the last month from folks who are probably as picky as I am. Looks like in most cases he refunded, in some he did not.
hopefully you get what your looking for >>
One thing I noticed when checking his feedback is he sells mostly raw cards so of course he is going to get some unhappy people who paid for higher grade cards. That being said, I always value raw cards on ebay 2 grades lower in most cases. There is only one seller I trust to rep raw cards dead on and I can't buy from myself, lol.
If the card grades then I don't see any way that it gets lower than a 5 just on corners and centering alone, if it doesn't have a pinhole, marking, creasing (which he said that is has none of). So worst case scenario I break even. Best case scenario, the price was low because everyone was skeptical about this high dollar raw card and it turns out to be a nice example. The fact that all of his auctions have small pictures (even the low dollar cards), tells me that he may just be a bad salesman. We'll see.
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Kirk
he is a smart salesman witht he smaller pics that hides the flaws. most folks buying on Ebay are not as picky as us I'd wager "
they are still using old school grading from card shows in the 80's 90's. "looks mint to me"
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lol, look at the amounts on those purchases.
Raw Seaver #2
looks like you done good Tommy if it doesn't come back EOT you oughta make a few bucks.......you did much better than the guy who paid over $600.
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if it comes back EOT then he will provide a full refund per his ebay messages to me. I assume this would make the SNAD file a no brainer. More than likely it will come back a 5 or 5.5 in which case I break even or make a few bucks. That's why I only paid 5 money for it. The card looks 7-7.5 ish at face value per his pictures but only an idiot would pay $500+ for it. The price I paid plus the fact that he made the guarantee seemed like a decent enough gamble. He also has almost 2000 positive feedback and most of that is on raw cards, some of them high dollar. The majority of his neutrals and negs are on low dollar stuff which doesn't make a lot of sense. The people paying NM prices for NM pictures just need to adjust their buying points, imo.
<< <i>Yours has a fish eye under "seaver". Appears to be a nice card. >>
yeah, at first glance it looked like the same card but I noticed the fisheye in mine.
"...if it comes back EOT then he will provide a full refund per his ebay messages to me. I assume this would make the SNAD file a no brainer...."
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Yup.
Just make sure to file within the 45-day window.
Near Perfect Centering:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370323146436
<< <i>Why would a seller take a picture from afar of a Seaver RC? i guarantee if you had a close-up scan you would start seeming some bad stuff which is why the seller does it this way >>
which is why I paid PSA 5 money for a 7-7.5 looking card. BUT, not all of the sellers cards are gonna be off as much as the next one and he takes the same pictures of ALL his cards (high or low dollar). I've made some great money buying from idiot sellers who don't know what a scanner is or take one picture of the item. A few weeks ago I bought a run of Topps Sets from '73 - '09 for $1400 from a guy that sold a bunch of cards but only puts 1 or 2 pics of his items and didn't show any of the individual cards. The sets all turned out to be in great shape and I more than doubled my money.
Good luck, you can always file claim so I'm sure you're OK
BTW, look at all the fake jewelry this guy used to sell. I'm sorry, but that tells me all I need to know about this guy.
This is a BEAUTIFUL card with ABSOLUTELY NO CREASES, no markings, pinholes, paper loss, or any other major damage. It has BEAUTIFUL color, AMAZING eye appeal, 4 solid corners, NEAR PERFECT CENTERING, and a CRISP CLEAN back.
The card arrived and is warped about 40 degrees from moisture.
"Molon Labe"
Let us know how the card grades.
<< <i>Yes, but this "idiot" intentionally lists this way which is quite different from the other idiot you won that lot from, and that was more luck than your own skill--you said yourself you were suprised how much minter the cards were than you expected them....BTW I don't see how that Seaver could ever get a 7/7.5 >>
lol, if you'll go back and read ALL of my posts about the topic you just reitterated my entire point. The price I paid for the lot of sets was a price where I could break even or make a few bucks if the '70's sets were all around excellent. I got them and they were all EX/MT-NM+ so I made a lot. I don't overpay for anything I buy. I buy at a point where I can still at least break even in a worst case scenario.
<< <i>I just bought a card from him with this description:
This is a BEAUTIFUL card with ABSOLUTELY NO CREASES, no markings, pinholes, paper loss, or any other major damage. It has BEAUTIFUL color, AMAZING eye appeal, 4 solid corners, NEAR PERFECT CENTERING, and a CRISP CLEAN back.
The card arrived and is warped about 40 degrees from moisture. >>
so you paid $4.25 + $3 shipping = $7.25, for a '61 World Series Game 1 card. Let's analyze this purchase. VCP on a PSA 5 is around $5. So with shipping you paid less than 5 money for the card. I assume you were looking for a NM card which VCP's around $65-$70? Did you email the seller and try to get your $4.25 back?
<< <i>Look, we can all agree that only about 1 out of 221 people are gonna like/tolerate Tommy. That being said, if you leave a little ooops factor into your buy price, if the item is not as you had hoped you just sell it at break even +/- and you're out from under it and move on to the next item. >>
lol, looky who it is coming out of the woodwork to bad mouth me in a thread of mine even though I've never said anything bad about him, Captain Kirk, the biggest clown on the ship.
I'm really curious what the Seaver will grade--I still have a handful of cards I bought from that seller I haven't sent in for grading because I'm afraid of what I don't see in those cards...Your new Seaver looks good, real good from that photo. But so did the cards I purchased from him and subsequently returned once I got a close up look at them.
<< <i>lol, looky who it is coming out of the woodwork to bad mouth me in a thread of mine even though I've never said anything bad about him, Captain Kirk, the biggest clown on the ship. >>
I agree. I am a far bigger clown than the buyer of the Seaver rookie who estimates it to be a 6.5 or 7
Hey Tommy, can you grade this Aaron rookie for me?
Edited to change 7 or 7.5 to 6.5 or 7.
from the auction
and in hand
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<< <i>lol, looky who it is coming out of the woodwork to bad mouth me in a thread of mine even though I've never said anything bad about him, Captain Kirk, the biggest clown on the ship. >>
I agree. I am a far bigger clown than the buyer of the Seaver rookie who estimates it to be a 6.5 or 7
Hey Tommy, can you grade this Aaron rookie for me?
Edited to change 7 or 7.5 to 6.5 or 7. >>
I paid 5 money for it and have a guarantee that he'll take it back if I'm not satisfied or it doesn't grade. In my mind it doesn't get any better than that. I can't help it that other people pay too much money for stuff. By the way, did you ever sell that lot of '72's you had listed on the board for like a year?
<< <i>As a reference, here are the pictures of one of the cards I purchased
from the auction
and in hand
this is probably what it will be like with the Seaver and I assumed it with my buy price. That card is probably a 5 and a 5.5 on a good day with the centering. Did you pay 5 money or less for it? Thanks for the input and scans by the way.
<< <i>actually, high dollar raw cards sell well on Ebay, i have found that i can get graded cards at a discount.
he is a smart salesman witht he smaller pics that hides the flaws. most folks buying on Ebay are not as picky as us I'd wager "
they are still using old school grading from card shows in the 80's 90's. "looks mint to me" >>
It's not really being a smart salesman when you hide flaws. It gets you lots of returns and lower feedback. A smart salesman doesn't hide things, as he wants customers to come back.
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It's not really being a smart salesman when you hide flaws. It gets you lots of returns and lower feedback. A smart salesman doesn't hide things, as he wants customers to come back. >>
you are 100% correct. This seller and ones like him will never be able to accurately describe his cards and get the maximum profits out of them. His buyers will be people that take into account his overgrading and bid accordingly.
<< <i>His scans are really small, so it's hard to guess a grade. Hopefully it works out for you and you get a 6 or better. >>
As I've said, it's a no lose situation. Either A) I get the card and it's a real beater and I send it back
And before anyone says "well what if you send it in and it grades below a 5?". I will most certainly not send it in if I think it has a chance to grade below a 5.
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<< <i>His scans are really small, so it's hard to guess a grade. Hopefully it works out for you and you get a 6 or better. >>
As I've said, it's a no lose situation. Either A) I get the card and it's a real beater and I send it back
And before anyone says "well what if you send it in and it grades below a 5?". I will most certainly not send it in if I think it has a chance to grade below a 5. >>
If it's a no lose situation, then whey does your original post ask for people's thoughts?
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<< <i>His scans are really small, so it's hard to guess a grade. Hopefully it works out for you and you get a 6 or better. >>
As I've said, it's a no lose situation. Either A) I get the card and it's a real beater and I send it back
And before anyone says "well what if you send it in and it grades below a 5?". I will most certainly not send it in if I think it has a chance to grade below a 5. >>
If it's a no lose situation, then whey does your original post ask for people's thoughts? >>
lol, Can I not get other opinions on the deal? I was just sharing my recent purchase and I know it's a bit of a gamble but it's kind of like poker in that the better players always win. Sure they are gambling but they gamble with the best odds and most calculated risks.
In my view it's the "old story" - if this card was so good, why wouldn't it be in a PSA slab which should sell for a lot more. Of course he did mention the "slightly dinged" corner, and "fairly sharp" corners to me means frayed corners...all of which would basically get a 6 or maybe 6.5 at best - won't possibly receive a 7 based on his own description.
Also - just because he's not selling PSA graded cards under this ebay name, doesn't mean he might not have another ebay name in which he is selling PSA graded cards. This seller in my opinion is no "babe in the woods" whereby he might be selling a card for much less than it's worth graded.
In any event...good luck and hopefully the card will grade as high as possible for you.
<< <i>.......By the way, did you ever sell that lot of '72's you had listed on the board for like a year? >>
Do you mean these that sold in 5 weeks?
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<< <i>.......By the way, did you ever sell that lot of '72's you had listed on the board for like a year? >>
Do you mean these that sold in 5 weeks? >>
5 weeks/a year, whatever. You dropped the price like 12 times until someone finally bought them.
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<< <i>His scans are really small, so it's hard to guess a grade. Hopefully it works out for you and you get a 6 or better. >>
As I've said, it's a no lose situation. Either A) I get the card and it's a real beater and I send it back
And before anyone says "well what if you send it in and it grades below a 5?". I will most certainly not send it in if I think it has a chance to grade below a 5. >>
If it's a no lose situation, then whey does your original post ask for people's thoughts? >>
lol, Can I not get other opinions on the deal? I was just sharing my recent purchase and I know it's a bit of a gamble but it's kind of like poker in that the better players always win. Sure they are gambling but they gamble with the best odds and most calculated risks. >>
Of course you can get others' opinions. My point is that you don't sound at all interested in hearing them. Like many here, I think there's much easier money to be made in the card-flipping world then screwing around with raw, high dollar vintage RC's from dubious sellers with mediocre scans. I can almost guarantee you that just about every card doctor in the world- and there are some very good ones out there- saw this auction, evaluated their prospects for making a good flip, and passed it up. What are the chances that a used car salesman from Georgia has an informational advantage over the guys who do this stuff to pay their mortgages?
You bring up the poker analogy, and that's a good one. You can make a lot of money, and do it for a long period of time, by making bad plays. The number of samples it takes for the delta between your expected results and your actual results to shrink to zero is far greater than most people ever realize, which is why a lot of mediocre poker players can succeed for years on end. The same is true for sports cards. It can take a long time for you to 'get what you deserve' when you're flipping collectibles, but eventually it's going to happen. Whether it happens on this particular card is not relevant. What IS relevant is the fact that you're gambling, and given the number of people who know more than you (and have abilities that I assume you do not have) that passed this card up, it's unlikely that over time purchases like this are +EV.
<< <i>.........5 weeks/a year, whatever........... >>
I'm gonna stop now Tommy because I had no idea that 5 weeks in your life feels like a whole year. Really, I am so sorry. I cant even imagine how horrible that must be. Good luck with your new NM-MT Seaver rookie.
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<< <i>.........5 weeks/a year, whatever........... >>
I'm gonna stop now Tommy because I had no idea that 5 weeks in your life feels like a whole year. Really, I am so sorry. I cant even imagine how horrible that must be. Good luck with your new NM-MT Seaver rookie. >>
That reminds me of a joke:
WOMAN: So, doc, what's wrong with me?
DOC: Well, Barbara, I'm afraid your disease is terminal. It looks like you've only got six months to live.
WOMAN: Wow. What should I do now?
DOC: As your doctor, I advise you to immediately marry an actuary.
WOMAN: Why is that?
DOC: Because once you've married one every day is going to feel like a f*****g eternity!
It seems that 99% of the raw cards or auto's that are put on here for evaluation get negative feedback from the same group of people. I'm not sure if those people have just been burned a lot in the past or if they just have a "glass half-empty" approach to life in general. At any rate, I've been successful in the vast majority of business gambles I've taken and I've been hugely successful in the number of sportscard gambles I've taken even though the monitary amounts are nowhere near the amounts of most business gambles. Either way, if the card arrives and it's been chewed up by a rabid dog then I'll request a refund, file a SNAD, etc... The absolute worst that could happen is that I lose $300 and there is a .0000000000001 chance of that. I think I'll still be able to eat if that happens.
One thing I will say is that I'll probably never buy from the seller again even if the Seaver is a 7 or higher and I'll also give him a 1 star in the shipping time category. He emailed me today with the tracking info that he got when he shipped it yesterday. It has been a week since I bought the card. THAT is unacceptable in my book.