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Initial reactions to Secure Plus: I have seen this movie before..

RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
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The same folks who are most incensed and disappointed about the Big One will be the first to proudly display their + coins on the forum. It happened with the inception of the CAC and will happen again with Secure Plus.
My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132

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  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,550 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ok.

    At first I thought "Meh."

    But I've been reading and discussing this "Big One" thing with some pretty knowledgeable folks over the last couple of hours and I've concluded that I remain basically indifferent...but open minded.

    To paraphrase a friend: If I like a PCGS coin with a + on it, and the price is fair, I'll buy it. If I don't, and it isn't, I won't.

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  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,550 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hmmm...you changed the thread while I was typing my "reaction". image
  • RogerKintRogerKint Posts: 51
    More is better - Eagle Eye Photo Seal, NGC Star, CRO Approved, CAC Green & Gold, and finally PCGS +. I want them all image
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am typing on the iPhone and hit the wrong key. image
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,850 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All the "+" talk when the big threat is fakes and doctoring, etc.

    For the few grand and higher coins, once it is in a secure plus holder, at least the buyer knows that PCGS has an image of some coin with this Cert Number and they'll be able to tell if it is fake or doctored, etc. by comparing it to the image or images on file.





    Current maintainer of Stone's Master List of Favorite Websites // My BST transactions
  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭


    << <i>More is better - Eagle Eye Photo Seal, NGC Star, CRO Approved, CAC Green & Gold, and finally PCGS +. I want them all image >>



    I note that you failed to list the 'Double Wnuck with Cheese', but I am certain this was merely an oversight.
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  • RogerKintRogerKint Posts: 51


    << <i>All the "+" talk when the big threat is fakes and doctoring, etc.

    For the few grand and higher coins, once it is in a secure plus holder, at least the buyer knows that PCGS has an image of some coin with this Cert Number and they'll be able to tell if it is fake or doctored, etc. by comparing it to the image or images on file. >>




    Kind of like we already do using the Heritage auction archives???



  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,550 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I am typing on the iPhone and hit the wrong key. image >>


    You wouldn't have that problem if you were using a Droid.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is it the one with Mae West where she says "Is that a plus sign in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?"

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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>All the "+" talk when the big threat is fakes and doctoring, etc.

    For the few grand and higher coins, once it is in a secure plus holder, at least the buyer knows that PCGS has an image of some coin with this Cert Number and they'll be able to tell if it is fake or doctored, etc. by comparing it to the image or images on file. >>



    No offense to our host, but nothing has numismatically harmed more than a doctored coin in a PCGS holder. Why should I think that this time it will be different?
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,850 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>All the "+" talk when the big threat is fakes and doctoring, etc.

    For the few grand and higher coins, once it is in a secure plus holder, at least the buyer knows that PCGS has an image of some coin with this Cert Number and they'll be able to tell if it is fake or doctored, etc. by comparing it to the image or images on file. >>




    Kind of like we already do using the Heritage auction archives??? >>




    I guess I see your point....

    at least the pictures will all be in one place versus a myriad of auction sites (and possibly not at all) for what that is worth.

    Current maintainer of Stone's Master List of Favorite Websites // My BST transactions
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I am typing on the iPhone and hit the wrong key. image >>


    You wouldn't have that problem if you were using a Droid.

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    I knew that was coming. image

    BTW, you can send the thingy any time.
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>More is better - Eagle Eye Photo Seal, NGC Star, CRO Approved, CAC Green & Gold, and finally PCGS +. I want them all image >>



    I have limited experience with Photoseal but of the rest, I have never been disappointed with CRO Approved or CAC gold.
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,550 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>BTW, you can send the thingy any time. >>


    Will do.

    PM sent.

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  • TortugaTortuga Posts: 220 ✭


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    << <i>More is better - Eagle Eye Photo Seal, NGC Star, CRO Approved, CAC Green & Gold, and finally PCGS +. I want them all image >>



    I note that you failed to list the 'Double Wnuck with Cheese', but I am certain this was merely an oversight. >>




    I respectfully submit the following coin for a "Double Wnuck with Cheese" seal of approval:

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,605 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Having the ability to find coins which are deserving of plastic, a plus sign, or even a post-slab sticker, before those entities (TPGs and major dealers) get them is my passion. I enjoy coins, but especially the people.


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  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭
    Tortuga, a date run of Bustie 25c like that '31 would be a delight; nice and choice. image
  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    I was against CAC at first and I have yet to submit a coin to them. I have 3 coins with CAC stickers but I did not know that CRO was going to submit them before I bought them. I have yet to proudly display a CAC sticker but have proudly displayed a coin they liked. image

    Edited: BTW I am not against CAC anymore I just have no reason to submit to them.
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082 ✭
    Does one detect a behavioral pattern...?
  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,109 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The same folks who are most incensed and disappointed about the Big One will be the first to proudly display their + coins on the forum. It happened with the inception of the CAC and will happen again with Secure Plus. >>



    So let's see your "+" dirty gold . . . . .
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This too shall pass and Secure Plus will become a desirable objective. Guaranteed. Cheers, RickO
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    It is human nature to resist change. Free ice cream would not get full approval. It will not take long for this to become a bragging right. --Jerry
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>The same folks who are most incensed and disappointed about the Big One will be the first to proudly display their + coins on the forum. It happened with the inception of the CAC and will happen again with Secure Plus. >>



    So let's see your "+" dirty gold . . . . . >>


    At this point, I have little impetus to submit them. Old holders with green and gold stickers are more than satisfactory. Many of my coins would not meet grade or price criteria for Secure Plus. When it is time to sell, I will reevaluate the marketplace and see what is the gimmick du jour to maximize my returns (if any).
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I note that you failed to list the 'Double Wnuck with Cheese', but I am certain this was merely an oversight. >>


    Hey, I think I saw one of those moves during the Olympic snowboarding competitions.
    John
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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,460 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I still prefer choice coins in OGH's. image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,109 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>The same folks who are most incensed and disappointed about the Big One will be the first to proudly display their + coins on the forum. It happened with the inception of the CAC and will happen again with Secure Plus. >>



    So let's see your "+" dirty gold . . . . . >>


    At this point, I have little impetus to submit them. Old holders with green and gold stickers are more than satisfactory. Many of my coins would not meet grade or price criteria for Secure Plus. When it is time to sell, I will reevaluate the marketplace and see what is the gimmick du jour to maximize my returns (if any). >>



    Do you still have your 61-D $5? That one seemed "plus-worthy" IIRC.
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