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1918 Buffalo nickel, do ya think it's mint state?

crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,071 ✭✭✭✭✭
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This coin has a tad of lamination, but it still has a nice look, at least I think so. The seller sold me this coin cheap as he had it tagged as an xf-45 but I think it's a ms-?. I'm not sure if this piece will grade, I've never submitted a coin with lamination before. I'm looking for thoughts and opinions of this coin.....Thanks, Joe...... I just wonder if it will grade?
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  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,949 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I dont know enough to say if it is UNC..but sure isnt XF.
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  • garrynotgarrynot Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭
    I like the coin too. It looks close to mint state, the area around the date and rim looks worn down, however.
  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    yes, but looks like it has some PVC spots and possibly corrosion/environmental damage on reverse
  • quickwingquickwing Posts: 1,155
    Looks well struck (not full strike) so I would bet high AU. What is that damage on the buffs head?
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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It may get #97 Enviromental Damage.
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    I don't see any obvious wear - it looks unc. to me.
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,071 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks well struck (not full strike) so I would bet high AU. What is that damage on the buffs head?
    It may get #97 Environmental Damage.

    Looks to be lamination... It's a tough call between lamination and environmental damage, the obverse looks pretty good , but the reverse looks laminated to me. along with a lot of deficiencies with the dies this year, the mint was buying the material from outside vendors which turned out to be " not very good alloy " for nickels...
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  • gyocomgdgyocomgd Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭
    The color to be me would be much more of a concern for BBing than the lamination errors.
    I'd lean toward MS, though the knob on the hip does look a tiny bit smeared. And even with the questionable color, other features (residues, carbon specks) suggest originality.
    Interesting piece, and a nice one.
    Guy
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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The color to be me would be much more of a concern for BBing than the lamination errors.
    I'd lean toward MS, though the knob on the hip does look a tiny bit smeared. And even with the questionable color, other features (residues, carbon specks) suggest originality.
    Interesting piece, and a nice one.
    Guy
    P.S. If I send you a check for $50,000, would you bring down the size of your images a bit? They make small imperfections look like big imperfections, and it just isn't fair to the coin.
    image >>

    I'm surprised, as the color looks extremely natural to me.
  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    Laminations wont stop a coin from grading, its not post mint damage. I would go ahead and submit it.----------BigE
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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Laminations wont stop a coin from grading, its not post mint damage. I would go ahead and submit it.----------BigE >>

    Does that mean that you think it looks unc. like I do? I ask, because if it's AU, it's not worth the cost of submitting.image
  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭


    << <i>Laminations wont stop a coin from grading, ----------BigE >>



    I'm not so sure that is correct. Is a lamination not a defective planchet?
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  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    I think its unc, but would send in economy anyway to eliminate major lossesimage-------BigE
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  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>Laminations wont stop a coin from grading, ----------BigE >>



    I'm not so sure that is correct. Is a lamination not a defective planchet? >>




    I wasn't aware that a defective planchet would stop grading either. My understanding is that a coin will grade as long as it was not damaged after minting. I've been wrong before thoughimage-----BigE
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  • UncleJoeUncleJoe Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭
    Really tough to tell from this pic. The only place that jumps out at me as possibly having wear is on the tail.

    Joe.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would say AU... but could be the size of the pictures magnifying things. Cheers, RickO
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

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    << <i>Laminations wont stop a coin from grading, ----------BigE >>



    I'm not so sure that is correct. Is a lamination not a defective planchet? >>




    I wasn't aware that a defective planchet would stop grading either. My understanding is that a coin will grade as long as it was not damaged after minting. I've been wrong before thoughimage-----BigE >>

    There is no definitive answer on that issue. It is a matter of the type and/or severity of the flaw.
  • robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS60 details... (env. damage or lamination ???)
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  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Laminations wont stop a coin from grading, ----------BigE >>



    I'm not so sure that is correct. Is a lamination not a defective planchet? >>




    I wasn't aware that a defective planchet would stop grading either. My understanding is that a coin will grade as long as it was not damaged after minting. I've been wrong before thoughimage-----BigE >>

    There is no definitive answer on that issue. It is a matter of the type and/or severity of the flaw. >>




    Could a coin be so severely flawed that it would not grade as a mint error? Wouldn't this be a prized possession for the collector of "freaks" lol------------BigE
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  • MICHAELDIXONMICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,596 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it is mint state, as I see no wear on the high points or anywhere else. IMO it should grade.
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  • capecape Posts: 1,621 ✭
    The coin is most definitely NT and mint state with the lamination. Give it an acetone bath and submit the coin and you should have a new MS 63.5image
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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,071 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks a bunch for all the help, and I'll see what I can do about the size of my images....Joe ...Just send me a money order for the $50,000, I think that will work bestimage
    P.S. If I send you a check for $50,000, would you bring down the size of your images a bit? They make small imperfections look like big imperfections, and it just isn't fair to the coin.
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  • garrynotgarrynot Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭
    So you guys believe that the condition of the date area is due to strike and is not wear? Just curious, as the date is one of the first things to go on a Buffalo. image
  • phehpheh Posts: 1,588 ✭
    Super slider. But certainly not because of the date.
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>So you guys believe that the condition of the date area is due to strike and is not wear? Just curious, as the date is one of the first things to go on a Buffalo. image >>

    Yes, I believe that you're seeing weakness in strike, not wear at the date area. And on high grade AU examples, the date is not typically the first area to show wear.
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,071 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So you guys believe that the condition of the date area is due to strike and is not wear? Just curious, as the date is one of the first things to go on a Buffalo.
    Because it is one of the high points of the obverse, it is also one of the last points of the coin to fill out, just like the hip bone, head, ect. It makes the Buffalo nickel one of the toughest to grade. IMO
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  • garrynotgarrynot Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭
    Thanks, I learned something today
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,071 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Thanks, I learned something today >>



    The rims are also quite square, with a thread, or burr showing, which I look for on these Buffalo nickels...It helps a lot, IMO....
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