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Mantle auto help...

swartz1swartz1 Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭
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If anyone is up this early...

what ya think?



Mantle auto


Looking for 1970 MLB Photostamps
- uncut


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  • IronmanfanIronmanfan Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭✭
    forgery
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  • 72skywalker72skywalker Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭
    That is a very nice Shakey Shantle.
    Collecting Yankees and vintage Star Wars
  • thenavarrothenavarro Posts: 7,497 ✭✭✭
    The piece has been authenticated by JSA (James Spence Authentication). I personally don't know all the idiosyncrasies of Mantle's graph, but James is USUALLY pretty good.

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  • KnucklesKnuckles Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭
    Just because it's really shakey doesn't mean it's not real. Other than it being shakey it seems to have the usual characteristics that his autograph has. He could have signed it while standing and signing the box would probably be pretty awkward if not flattened.

    Really cool and unique item btw..
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  • MooseDogMooseDog Posts: 1,946 ✭✭✭
    As a log time (35+ years) autograph collector this is the thing that really bugs me about so-called "authentication" services. All you are buying is an opinion, an educated guess.

    If I were looking to buy this item for the Mantle autograph I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole. However, the autograph market is such that with a JSA or PSA "seal of approval" the item becomes instantly marketable.

    I think the operative question is - are you buying the item with the hope to resell later? If so, you have the JSA seal of approval and you'll probably be able to do so. If this were for my personal collection I'd pass.

  • earlycalguyearlycalguy Posts: 1,247 ✭✭


    one thing to consider is if the box was intact then signing an empty box, which offers little support, is not going to produce the best signature.

    another thing to consider...Mick could have been loaded too.
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm one of those in the group - no expertise or understanding.

    My guess? Why forge an item like this?

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    Mantle does not sign exactly the same way every time but close - so - I do agree - any authentication is an educated guess.
    Mike
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭


    PSA/DNA and witnessed by the owner of the card.


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    The box could have easily been difficult to sign.

    I am 90% sure it's good.
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • swartz1swartz1 Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭
    Hey - thanks for all the responses...

    just got back from Hershey...

    went for $250 plus 10% buyer prem.

    it did have the cert. from James...


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    - uncut


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  • fkwfkw Posts: 1,766 ✭✭
    Signing the side of a box is much tougher than signing a flat item. I think thats why its shakey

    That box has a little value by its self. I dont think forgers would try to sign something like that IMO. They usually sign cheap photos or balls.

    PS I see others have said the same......
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭


    << <i>forgery >>




    So was it real or fake?


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • MooseDogMooseDog Posts: 1,946 ✭✭✭
    Hey if JSA says it's real it must be real...I only said I wouldn't buy it.

    OK, I'm a little bitter because I spent good money with both JSA and PSA to get a pair of Thurman Munson signed cards THAT I GOT IN PERSON and both deemed them questionable. Unlike cards, you don't get any vouchers or credits if they bam your autograph submissions.

    If you've read the Operation Bullpen book you'll understand - especially when it comes to Mantle, Williams and Dimaggio signatures there is SO MUCH of the Marino gang's stuff still out there, many of them with JSA and PSA certs, that you have no way of knowing with 100% certainty that they are good.

    If you really want to buy a "real" autograph of those guys your best bet is to pay a little more and get a vintage signature.
  • mittecmittec Posts: 173
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