1989 Double Die Penny
cjmezz
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Got some change back today and noticed I recieved a 1989 Penny that is a double die on the front date......anyone familiar with this year having double dies?
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got pics? what is presumably doubled?
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<< <i>Thanks Robb..that is exactly it....any value?
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I think it's one of those deals where you have to find the right buyer.
....no pics?
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CJ
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<< <i>The penny is actually a 1989 D...should it be a "P"?
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No reports of a 1989D DDO, just DDR. What you have is probably Machine Doubling rather than a Double Die.
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<< <i>The penny is actually a 1989 D...should it be a "P"?
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No reports of a 1989D DDO, just DDR. What you have is probably Machine Doubling rather than a Double Die. >>
OK... now, it would help to have pictures.
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Everybody keep saying there's no double dies on 1989 Denver Mint. but there are many people with the 1989 Denver Mint they say they have them double-die I have one myself and here's the picture
not a doubled die
Looks like machine doubling to me (and maybe some die wear).
What specific characteristics make you think it is a doubled die and not machine doubling?
Ok what is it then and please explain why it is not a double die MsMorrisine
With all due respect, it is not up to anyone here to prove it is not a doubled die (you keep calling it "double die" which is incorrect). It is up to you to prove that it is one.
I was wondering if you know what machine doubling is, which is why I asked the question. Flat, shelf-like appearance of the doubling is one indicator. On my screen, at least, that describes what I see on yours.
because machine doubling is only on one coin. But if double die is on all those coins that It produced. and this is not the only coin that has this in 1989 there's numerous people that have a coin that look just like this. so would that not be a double die?
Mechanical doubling, perhaps some die deterioration which may mimic doubling. Appears to be a combination of both. Here is a listing of known doubled DDO's, and DDR's for 1989-D. Thanks you for sharing!
http://www.doubleddie.com/829054.html
??? MD can happen on a million coins. And if it is due to worn dies it will be repeated exactly on all coins from that die.
If you can find a recognized/slabbed DD for this date/mm and yours matches EXACTLY them you have one. If you are sure it is one why don't you send to PCGS to get graded. That would answer it definitively.
the issues with the press that cause MD will cause it on many, many coins until the issue is corrected.
JBK I will be sending it in to PCGS due to the fact when I Google double-die 1989 Denver Mint pennies there are about 5 or 6 people on YouTube that have the coin that looks the exact same and I have another one that looks the same on the obverse. now I'm not saying the people on YouTube are correct but I will let you guys know when I have a graded. and I hope I'm not offending anybody I'm not saying you guys are wrong by any means. but a lot of these keeps showing up.
I think I can speak for (almost) all of us when I say that I hope it works out. I am pessimistic but will be very happy if I am wrong.
Well, Its like this...Your wasting your time and money. Its Die Erosion. I highly suggest you visit both the John Wexler or James Wiles sites and look at what a real Doubled Die for that year looks before you submit the coin. Also, PCGS will not recognize the coin variety since it is NOT in the latest or past Cherry Pickers Guide. Therefore your only option is to send it to ANACS. However, I would suggest you save some money first and for $5-10 bucks get an expert opinion and send it to either James Wiles for to John Wexler who do Attribution ( but contact them first so they agree to do it) BEFORE you send it to ANACS. And if you have the courage - report back to us as to what they say...
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JD45306 before you come back and reply that you still want to spend your money to get it graded or authenticated take the advice of the people on this forum.They now what they are talking about.
Heed their advice and continue the search.
Good Luck
It is definitely not a doubled die.... However, if you will not trust the experts here, go right ahead and spend your money. If you do so, please be brave enough to come back and tell us the results. Remember, YouTube videos are not necessarily by experts... in fact, most are not. If it is not recognized in the CPG or Coinfacts... then it is NOT a doubled die. Cheers, RickO
....please don't waste your money.
It's not a doubled die whatsoever,
or in any way, shape, or form.
for PCGS. A 49+-Year PNG Member...A full numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022
You may want to submit it 2 or 3 times, just to make sure they get it right.
@FredWeinberg knows more about errors than PCGS. You can take his opinion to the bank, even if you don't trust the rest of us.
And, for the sake of all ye gods, you already have a thread with your 20 photos. Did we need to see all 20 photos again?
I'm going to ask you to think a little bit here. Your thesis is that:
1. There are a LOT of these doubled die 1989-D cents and they are all over the internet.
2. Despite the existence of a LOT of these doubled die cents, CONECA and all the error geeks have refused to accept it as a new variety.
Does that make any sense? It would make more sense if you had the only one out there - which is hard but impossible for a 30 year old coin. If there are a lot, why do those coins avoid falling into the hands of coin error experts?
Go to varietyvista.com and it will show you photos of all recognized DDOs. If your coin does not match one of the photos exactly, it is not that variety.
While I am always amazed at these posts from people thinking they have found something and not believing what we tell them is the actual truth, I am equally amazed at all the time and effort some of you put in trying to convince them. It is like you are feeding the animals. Let it go and they will disappear. Keep responding to their post and it will keep happening. You do realize they are trolling right?
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