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I Just Checked the NL East Standings...
grote15
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...and the Mets and Phils are tied for first!
Playoffs here we come!
Playoffs here we come!
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LOL, I'd like to have seen Randolph or Manuel react that way in 2007 or 2008!
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<< <i>Are the Pirates mathmatically eliminated yet? >>
Yeah, for about 17 years now.
I have to say it is refreshing to see the Mets fans happy, before the bitterness sets in about mid-June.
EF, did the Colts win the Super Bowl yet? Or are you still wiping that egg off your face..
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By end of summer, the Phils will have locked up the East, the Dodgers will have wrapped up the West, and the only battle in the NL will be the Cards/Brewers/Cubs race in the central.
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Don't forget to bring the bait.
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Don't worry, Steve, we're out to catch Phillies this season, they make some good eatin'!
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<< <i>Don't forget to bring the bait.
Don't worry, Steve, we're out to catch Phillies this season, they make some good eatin'! >>
Phils are 3/1 chalk to win the NL pennant. Mets are 10/1 which is really not that much of a longshot.
Anything can happen during the season to affect a pennant race especially with pitchers blowing out an arm, or even pitchers unexpectedly doing well.
'Ya never know for sure before the season begins, how a baseball pennant race will turn out" as I think Aesop once wisely stated.
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Since 2000, the Mets have made an appearance in the World Series and the NL Championship series, so calling the franchise a "joke" is ridiculous.
Do you even root for a team? Or did you just hop on that Philly bandwagon??
Oh wait, you root for the Braves, right? The poster boys for postseason chokefests, LOL...one World title in the last 50 years...even the "joke" Mets have had two since 1969, LOL..
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<< <i>I don't care if the Mets are 2 to 1 or 10 to 1, the baseball Gods have spoken and the Mets are the team that was created so that people could say "See, there isn't always a correlation between salary and wins". What a joke of a franchise. Always trying to go out and buy the big free agents like they're big brother in the Bronx, but they always sign the wrong guys. And the Mets just don't play with heart. Beltan isn't a leader. Delgado isn't a leader. Wright could be a leader but needs to work harder to inspire all of the other clowns on that team. I like Francouer in NY over the long haul though. He's an inspiring guy and great in the clubhouse.
Since 2000, the Mets have made the postseason several times, including an appearance in the World Series and the NL Championship series, so calling the franchise a "joke" is ridiculous.
Do you even root for a team? Or did you just hop on that Philly bandwagon??
Oh wait, you root for the Braves, right? The poster boys for postseason chokefests, LOL...one World title in the last 50 years...even the "joke" Mets have had two since 1969, LOL.. >>
Thats funny. Everyone knows (except maybe you?) that the Braves have owned the Mets for a long, long, long, long time. It must hurt that even now that the Braves have slipped, that someone else in the division has stepped into the void in the NL East. Its not that the Mets are terrible. They aren't terrible. Its just that they spend SO much money on free agents EVERY year and have so little to show for it. And 1986 was a long time ago, Grote. Just be humble and take it like a man until things turn around.
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I don't care either as far as betting is concerned because I'm not a sports gambler, but the bookie odds are an "indicator" of a team's chances.
BTW, the Braves are 11/1
...and the Nats are 75/1...longest shot on the board.
Odds pasted from a bookie website:
Arizona Diamondbacks
15/1
Atlanta Braves
11/1
Chicago Cubs
9/1
Cincinnati Reds
25/1
Colorado Rockies
10/1
Florida Marlins
15/1
Houston Astros
40/1
Los Angeles Dodgers
7/1
Milwaukee Brewers
18/1
New York Mets
10/1
Philadelphia Phillies
3/1
Pittsburgh Pirates
60/1
San Diego Padres
45/1
San Francisco Giants
10/1
St. Louis Cardinals
11/2
Washington Nationals
75/1
Since 2000, the Mets have made the postseason several times, including an appearance in the World Series and the NL Championship series, so calling the franchise a "joke" is ridiculous.
Do you even root for a team? Or did you just hop on that Philly bandwagon??
Oh wait, you root for the Braves, right? The poster boys for postseason chokefests, LOL...one World title in the last 50 years...even the "joke" Mets have had two since 1969, LOL.. >>
Thats funny. Everyone knows (except maybe you?) that the Braves have owned the Mets for a long, long, long, long time. It must hurt that even now that the Braves have slipped, that someone else in the division has stepped into the void in the NL East. Its not that the Mets are terrible. They aren't terrible. Its just that they spend SO much money on free agents EVERY year and have so little to show for it. And 1986 was a long time ago, Grote. Just be humble and take it like a man until things turn around
1986 was a long time ago, true, but it seems like a long time ago since the Braves owned the Mets, too. And after all those beatings you gave us throughout that stretch, the ring count over the last 50 years is still:
Mets 2
Braves 1
Let's see what this season brings!
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Even at 75-1, it seems like only the bookies can possibly cash in on that wager, LOL..
75-1 to finish .500 would be a stretch..
If I'm a betting man, I'd have to say that the Phillies are actually a good bet, maybe not Secretariat good, but pretty good..
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<< <i>and the Nats are 75/1...longest shot on the board.
Even at 75-1, it seems like only the bookies can possibly cash in on that wager, LOL..
75-1 to finish .500 would be a stretch..
If I'm a betting man, I'd have to say that the Phillies are actually a good bet, maybe not Secretariat good, but pretty good..
<<< 75-1 to finish .500 would be a stretch.. >>>
I completely agree with that. Bookie "longshot" odds are often extreme sucker bets as far as the odds are concerned. But I guess they figure why offer 150/1 when the betting action on the Nats will likely be the same at 75/1.
Interesting take on that...and makes sense considering how weasel-like bookies are...so that would explain why the odds are not really true "odds" but just what seems long enough to draw some sucker money and in the million to 1 chance it comes in, the payout is meager by comparison..,
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Have to agree with that. Frankly, it's hard to believe that with that superb pitching staff, arguably and probably the best pitching staff of all time over such an extended period, that the Braves won only one World Series title, especially considering how important pitching is over a "short" seven game series.
<< <i><<< The poster boys for postseason chokefests >>>
Have to agree with that. Frankly, it's hard to believe that with that superb pitching staff, arguably and probably the best pitching staff of all time over such an extended period, that the Braves won only one World Series title, especially considering how important pitching is over a "short" seven game series. >>
Guys, lets do a little math here to illustrate why the Braves winning 1 WS makes sense over the stretch run. Steve, you and Grote both talk about that stretch as if the Braves were supposed to win like 5 or 6 championships. Maybe in the old days b4 wildcard, this would have been the case. However, with the wildcard implemented, that means there are 8 teams in the playoffs every year. With the 14 division titles that the Braves won, and 8 teams in the playoffs every year, you should only expect the Braves to win 2 times over 16 playoff trips. In fact, they won 1 over 14. So maybe they won 1 less than they "should" have. Thats hardly a "chokefest". What about the other 6 teams every year that didn't win the championship? Were those all chokefests too? Of course not.
What you can say about the Braves during that run is that they were clearly the best NL team for a decade and half BUT this occured during a long period when the AL was superior to the NL. If you look at league strength during the Braves run of NL dominance, its pretty clear that you would expect the AL champion to win the world series most of those years. The AL always won the all-star game, they always win interleague play..etc. etc. That still holds true today. Look how dominant the Phillies were.....until the met the Yankees. The NL still has some catching up to do.
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<< <i>Slice it any way you want Michael, but 1 title in a stretch that included 14 straight division titles is downright disappointing, no matter what spin you want to put on it. Even the vaunted Yankees never won 14 straight divisional titles. But if it makes you feel better, we'll divide 16 by 2, LOL.. >>
OK, whatever. I'm not trying to put a spin on anything, its just that the wildcard does greatly diminsh any 1 team's odds of winning a ring. I think this fact is frequently overlooked. That being said, the Braves had the better team in 95 and should have won that one vs. the Yanks. The series against the Twins was a coin toss and could have gone either way. Other than those 2, the Braves were outmanned every time they lost a series.
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OK, whatever. I'm not trying to put a spin on anything, its just that the wildcard does greatly diminsh any 1 team's odds of winning a ring. I think this fact is frequently overlooked. That being said, the Braves had the better team in 95 and should have won that one vs. the Yanks. The series against the Twins was a coin toss and could have gone either way. Other than those 2, the Braves were outmanned every time they lost a series.
The Braves were a great club...I'm really just kidding when I suggest that they were chokers, and I respect that stretch of dominance they had and witnessed it first-hand year after year as a Mets fan.
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<< <i><<< The poster boys for postseason chokefests >>>
Have to agree with that. Frankly, it's hard to believe that with that superb pitching staff, arguably and probably the best pitching staff of all time over such an extended period, that the Braves won only one World Series title, especially considering how important pitching is over a "short" seven game series. >>
Guys, lets do a little math here to illustrate why the Braves winning 1 WS makes sense over the stretch run. Steve, you and Grote both talk about that stretch as if the Braves were supposed to win like 5 or 6 championships. Maybe in the old days b4 wildcard, this would have been the case. However, with the wildcard implemented, that means there are 8 teams in the playoffs every year. With the 14 division titles that the Braves won, and 8 teams in the playoffs every year, you should only expect the Braves to win 2 times over 16 playoff trips. In fact, they won 1 over 14. So maybe they won 1 less than they "should" have. Thats hardly a "chokefest". What about the other 6 teams every year that didn't win the championship? Were those all chokefests too? Of course not.
What you can say about the Braves during that run is that they were clearly the best NL team for a decade and half BUT this occured during a long period when the AL was superior to the NL. If you look at league strength during the Braves run of NL dominance, its pretty clear that you would expect the AL champion to win the world series most of those years. The AL always won the all-star game, they always win interleague play..etc. etc. That still holds true today. Look how dominant the Phillies were.....until the met the Yankees. The NL still has some catching up to do. >>
Point understood, but in that "equation" it has to be acknowledged that the Braves in a number of those seasons were favorites to win it all, Not every year, but I remember some years they were, so in my view it isn't just a random 2 out of 16 type thing which would be the case if each team were equal odds - the Braves being favored in some of those years makes the equation look much worse for the Braves, and as I stated before, sorta almost hard to believe looking back on it.
Call it "choke" or whatever anyone wnats to call it or not call it...I'm just saying it's hard to believe with that spectacular pitching staff. But hey, I've seen other "crazy" things happen in sports over the years, and obviously it did happen with the Braves...again, just hard to believe, and I'm still saying that about the horse race when Onion beat Secretariat.