2009 taylor found in native american roll with 2010 date

tahoe98

....error coin was mentioned in latest coin world.

19Lyds

I saw that!

What a lucky son-of-a-duck!

tahoe98

...i guess it was just a matter of time.

MsMorrisine

ahhh....

there's the rest of the story...


I think I've been finding the obv&rev Sacagawea on Talyor planchet mules.


good find...

(oh... PMD! )

itsnotjustme

Cool. I wonder of other comparable ones exist but are undiscovered?

mas3387

Holly Cr*p !!! I found two of them and spent'em. Never thought to check the edge just figured they where left in the counting/rolling machine, UGH !!!!

TwoSides2aCoin

I wonder if PCGS could blend threads like the Mint can blend coins

Just link them together. It can't be that tough.
Meanwhile, thank Coin World, TD, the OP and people paying attention (except at the mint).

In closing, let me type : This hobby is the greatest of all.

19Lyds

<< <i>Cool. I wonder of other comparable ones exist but are undiscovered? >>



None that I have come across!







But then........you already knew that since I'm not one to keep my mouth shut for long!

19Lyds

<< <i>Holly Cr*p !!! I found two of them and spent'em. Never thought to check the edge just figured they where left in the counting/rolling machine, UGH !!!! >>




O........M............G!

mas3387

<< <i>O........M............G! >>



I still can't believe I didn't look at the edge's

MsMorrisine

wow


sad day in NJ



and you "do" modern modern!

CaptHenway

Another, earlier thread on the same subject

link

HalfStrike

Were these rolls out of the direct ship program by any chance?

19Lyds

<< <i>Were these rolls out of the direct ship program by any chance? >>



Yes.

illini420

so maybe i shouldn't have sold a few sealed direct ship rolls to forum members at the Long Beach show!!!!!

chucknra

Gonna have to go get some rolls now!!!

pf70collector

Maybe that is why my direct ship rolls of the 2010 sacs were all busted open when I received them. They were checking for the errors before shipment.

DuPapa

Could this discovery be an intentional ploy by the Mint to get people to open these rolls and get the coins into circulation?

kranky

I'll ask the question I posed in the other thread... Is this a 2009 Taylor with wrong edge lettering, or a 2010 coin with the wrong obverse? And why?

pf70collector

Are these D or P. Because my direct ship rolls are D which I think most are.

19Lyds

<< <i>Maybe that is why my direct ship rolls of the 2010 sacs were all busted open when I received them. They were checking for the errors before shipment. >>



No.

Simply rough handling since the US Mint has neither the time nor the money to break open each sealed direct ship box and search through every roll to look for these.

19Lyds

<< <i>Are these D or P. Because my direct ship rolls are D which I think most are. >>



The coin was a D mint coin.

My 2010 NA Coins were all P Mints and I live on the West Coast.

19Lyds

<< <i>I'll ask the question I posed in the other thread... Is this a 2009 Taylor with wrong edge lettering, or a 2010 coin with the wrong obverse? And why? >>



2009 Taylor with the wrong edge lettering I expect since the obverse and reverse are both different between the Sacagawea Native American coins and the Presidential Dollars.

I also expect that these were transisitonal errors since the 2010 NA coins were minted during the same time as the Taylor dollars.

MsMorrisine

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<< <i>Are these D or P. Because my direct ship rolls are D which I think most are. >>



The coin was a D mint coin.

My 2010 NA Coins were all P Mints and I live on the West Coast. >>



Mine were all D and I'm on the east coast.





simple DS tracking method??

MsMorrisine

<< <i>

<< <i>Maybe that is why my direct ship rolls of the 2010 sacs were all busted open when I received them. They were checking for the errors before shipment. >>



No.

Simply rough handling since the US Mint has neither the time nor the money to break open each sealed direct ship box and search through every roll to look for these. >>



I've had some sealed boxes with rolls that had some slightly split open paper. I suspect the open box I had with a split roll and the sealed boxes were all handled roughly. No coins were missing from the open box.

19Lyds

Over the next month, I'll be very curious on how many of these are found. It is totally possible that the error was detected and a bulk of the bad coins were pulled from the Ballista bags priot to shipment to NF String and Son.

MsMorrisine

<< <i>

<< <i>I'll ask the question I posed in the other thread... Is this a 2009 Taylor with wrong edge lettering, or a 2010 coin with the wrong obverse? And why? >>



2009 Taylor with the wrong edge lettering I expect since the obverse and reverse are both different between the Sacagawea Native American coins and the Presidential Dollars.

I also expect that these were transisitonal errors since the 2010 NA coins were minted during the same time as the Taylor dollars. >>



Yeah.

The coin is pressed, then the letters added.

Just going by that, I'd say it is much more likely they are transition coins between runs as suggested.

WilliamGibbs

I am awaiting confirmation from the Mint whether production of the 2009 Taylor dollar with 2010-D edge inscription is likely an isolated error or part of a larger incident. Coin World will have additional coverage once the Mint provides us with the information (which might be delayed with the federal government being largely closed in D.C. because of the winter storm over the weekend). As for whether the coin is a 2010 dollar with the wrong obverse or a 2009 dollar with the wrong edge inscription, remember that the dollars are struck with a plain edge and then given the edge inscription in a later step. That makes it a 2009 coin with the wrong edge.

William T. Gibbs
News Editor
Coin World

MsMorrisine

<< <i>Over the next month, I'll be very curious on how many of these are found. It is totally possible that the error was detected and a bulk of the bad coins were pulled from the Ballista bags priot to shipment to NF String and Son. >>



I think NFS only sells products not services.

seanq

<< <i>Over the next month, I'll be very curious on how many of these are found. It is totally possible that the error was detected and a bulk of the bad coins were pulled from the Ballista bags priot to shipment to NF String and Son. >>




I sincerely doubt that this error was caught within the Mint walls. The dollars on quarter planchets were caught at the rolling stare because the error was eye-catching from across the room. I'll put my bet right now on tens of thousands of these turning up in rolls, or a quantity roughly equal to the number of GW "smoothies", with a few lucky lottery winners getting hundreds of them in a box.


Sean Reynolds

pf70collector

So they are direct shipping P rolls now it looks like from what I read and they were discovered in Arizona. I checked all my D rolls from the Direct Ship Rolls except 3 rolls and came up with nothing.

CaptHenway

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<< <i>O........M............G! >>



I still can't believe I didn't look at the edge's >>



So, you are saying that you spent two Zachary Taylor dollars, which were presumably normal (and not errors) since you did not look at the edge?

seanq

<< <i>

<< <i>

<< <i>O........M............G! >>



I still can't believe I didn't look at the edge's >>



So, you are saying that you spent two Zachary Taylor dollars, which were presumably normal (and not errors) since you did not look at the edge? >>



I think he's saying his roll of 2010 NA dollars contained two Zachary Taylor coins, which he assumed were left in the rolling equipment and normally struck/lettered, and which he spent without looking at the edge inscription.


Sean Reynolds

Silverstate

I checked 1000 - 2010 P direct ships...All Natives....

Bochiman

<< <i>I checked 1000 - 2010 P direct ships...All Natives.... >>



At least you got the "P"s.....I had $500 in "D" and that's all I found so far
I wanted at least a few rolls of the "P" in the 2 boxes I got. Now I found I didn't even get the errors

itsnotjustme

itsnotjustme

I just checked 10 rolls of P mint with none found.

itsnotjustme

20 Boxes maximum per household.

The Frequent Flier mileage balance is about to increase!

mas3387

<< <i><< O........M............G! >> I still can't believe I didn't look at the edge's >>

So, you are saying that you spent two Zachary Taylor dollars, which were presumably normal (and not errors) since you did not look at the edge? >>

I think he's saying his roll of 2010 NA dollars contained two Zachary Taylor coins, which he assumed were left in the rolling equipment and normally struck/lettered, and which he spent without looking at the edge inscription. >>



Thanks Sean for clarifying,

We search countless bags and rolls on a dally basis and have seen wrong coins in rolls before. This was, at least what I thought, another one of those instances. The coins didn't look gradable so in the spend bucket they went. Never crossed my mind to check the edge of the coins. I'm still kicking myself in the A** for it.

itsnotjustme

Is that a spend bucket or a re-roll and deposit buck? Caught you I think (this is all toungue in cheek). I can't imagine you spend countless bags and rolls every day!

tahoe98

<< <i>Is that a spend bucket or a re-roll and deposit buck? Caught you I think (this is all toungue in cheek). I can't imagine you spend countless bags and rolls every day! >>





.....i'm not sure that could happen EVEN in ecuador!

2manycoins2fewfunds

I would say that with each day that passes with no flood of coins or reports of finds the likelyhood that this was a "one off" event increases.

CaptHenway

<< <i>I would say that with each day that passes with no flood of coins or reports of finds the likelyhood that this was a "one off" event increases. >>



Could be, but I'll bet that they have sold a lot of Native American dollars through the direct ship program in the last 24 hours......

TD

itsnotjustme

4,500 of them to me!

Coinsponge

Well I just ordered some more and got put on "backorder". Would that mean the original batch (with errors) are gone?

MilesWaits

<< <i>Well I just ordered some more and got put on "backorder". Would that mean the original batch (with errors) are gone? >>



That's what some thought about the 2008 reverse of 2007 releases and they were unpredictable; till they were gone!

Miles

puritan9

I was one of the first to order one box. I just went through $150 of them and nothing.

luckyman

Just so I'm clear on this subject, this was found only with a "d" mint mark and was found in a mint issued roll (Yellow or the Red-White-Blue wrapper?) Was it the NO 3 (Denver mint) or out of an NO 4 box

(circulation) mint issued box? Hopefully someone knows and can clarify and the chase can begin... Is this just one of those fluke one-of-a-kinders, or do you think there's more to be discovered?

tahoe98

<< <i>Just so I'm clear on this subject, this was found only with a "d" mint mark and was found in a mint issued roll (Yellow or the Red-White-Blue wrapper?) Was it the NO 3 (Denver mint) or out of an NO 4 box

(circulation) mint issued box? Hopefully someone knows and can clarify and the chase can begin... Is this just one of those fluke one-of-a-kinders, or do you think there's more to be discovered? >>



....direct ship

luckyman

There are three "direct ship" boxes....the Philadelphia mint issues the #NO 2, the Denver mint issues #NO 3, (both gold wrappered) and the mint issues #NO 4 which has five rolls ($250) wrapped in red,

white, and blue (designed for circulation). That's what I'm trying to determine....which box would be more likely to have this error? Sorry if I missed this info in an earlier response. Thanks

Bochiman

<< <i>There are three "direct ship" boxes....the Philadelphia mint issues the #NO 2, the Denver mint issues #NO 3, (both gold wrappered) and the mint issues #NO 4 which has five rolls ($250) wrapped in red,

white, and blue (designed for circulation). That's what I'm trying to determine....which box would be more likely to have this error? Sorry if I missed this info in an earlier response. Thanks >>




No, there is ONE direct ship. That is the $250/box set. They charge face value and no shipping for these.
The other 2 that you mentioned are items for order but are not considered "direct ship"