1909 vdb Lincoln Cent matte proof-like
BUFFNIXX
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Here is a real neat 1909 vdb Lincoln Cent that seems to have some of the attributes of a matte proof. A real neat 09vdb. buffnixx
Thick squared rims and matte surfaces, especially the reverse.
Thick squared rims and matte surfaces, especially the reverse.
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buffnixx
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Missing the die chip to the right of UNUM. This is a crescent shaped chip that almost looks like another period, such as the one that seperates the other words.
sorry. Not nearly granular enough either.
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Matt’s Mattes
Boy, we both love these 1909VDB MPL's. Of course, you don't REALLY want to see if PCGS will confirm that it IS a real MPL, do you? All the pictures and comments in the world won't change this fact. Unless and until PCGS or NGC slabs and grades your coin as an MPL, the hobby will not recognize it as such, at least as far as $$$ is concerned. Good luck if you decide to submit assuming you own the example shown.
Steve
My Complete PROOF Lincoln Cent with Major Varieties(1909-2015)Set Registry
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I will never figure understand (see above) why people seem compleled to do this. buffnixx
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Very nice coin, proof like, as you say.
Jim
it has what I consider pumpkin like color on the reverse
when they say 'clean and retoned' - does that mean dipped in something?
and how can the copper inept determine that?
www.numiscent.com. This coin has matte proof characteritics too but is not a matte proof. Read his description. Here is the photo.
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Using a term only associated with mirror proof coins, in relation to matte proofs is not only confusion to newer collectors, but meaningless to the more experienced. Just an opinion.
BTW - nice photos of a 1911 capped die!
I've been busting my behind looking at every VDB in the world hoping to find a proof that slipped under the radar. Anyone who has immersed themselves into this subject will likely know the following:
1) crescent shaped little "frown" to the right of UNUM. Can't be too close or too far away from the 2nd M, and can't be too high or too low. Actual proofs have the little crescent sitting about at the level of the middle of the M. Like this: M -
2) The dot after the D in "VDB" is spaced in the middle of the D and B, not next to the D as it is in most business strikes. Some business strikes will have the dot in the middle but no proofs have the dot closer to the D than the B. The coin in the picture here has the dot too close to the D to be a proof.
3) The die lines off the nose will point to the zero of the date. Take a ruler and see if any lines take this trajectory. I've seen lots of die lines on VDBs that point elsewhere. These are not genuine proofs.
4) Rims have sharp corners and the inside goes straight down. Sloping means business strike.
5) A die line from Lincoln's back shoulder rising upward towards the R in Liberty.
6) The old adage is that business strikes can have some of these attributes but if they are missing one, it is a business strike and not a proof.
Look at proof coins enough and after awhile you will get the "feel" of a genuine proof coin when you see one. I've found many coins with squared rims, a well placed dot in between the D and B and even with die lines near the nose. Often though, close examination will reveal the rims aren't bold enough or the die lines aren't pointed to the right spot. Almost all the time, the crescent is missing, in the wrong place, a scratch or just a shadow caused by dirt. Considering the 53 coin hoard, coins sent in for a new grade and the low number actually released to the public, there are less than 100 certified VDB proofs in holders being held by collectors outside of the 53 coin hoard. Chances of a raw undiscovered coin at this point are literally about 1 in 10 million among raw 1909 VDB coins. Since the proofs cost only a few cents originally and collectors generally were disappointed in them, they were spent. Probably during the depression, a loaf of bread seemed more valuable.
Here's one I still own, it's PCGS 91.
I would have bought the coin you imaged here just for the nice toning. Very pretty and of course, unique!