Kurt Warner retires
quincunx
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A shame was hoping to see him play one more year, what a class act and will be missed on Sundays for us football fans. Best of luck Kurt.
Next stop canton.
Next stop canton.
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<< <i>Next stop canton. >>
Totally agree, anyone that could bring relevance to the NFL cesspools that were St Louis and Arizona should get a waiver bypassing the 5 year wait to get into the Hall.
He was injured during that 5 year stretch were he wasn't "good". Also if you going to hold his teammates around him responsible for his success then I guess Troy Aikeman, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw and Peyton Manning cannot be HOFers due to their teammates being so good.
float it in there just at the right time. He was fun to watch, and a real American story about a guy who people said didn't
have NFL talent, but hung in there and made it big. Kind of like Tim Thomas from the Boston Bruins.
<< <i>". Also if you going to hold his teammates around him responsible for his success then I guess Troy Aikeman, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw and Peyton Manning cannot be HOFers due to their teammates being so good. >>
ZING!!
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Easy there. No doubt Warner was a great guy and class act, but let's not get carried away with him being a 1st ballot HOF. I agree he will likely get in, but there will be many that point to that 5-year stretch in the middle of his career and question whether he belongs. I think it'll take 5-10 years of voting to finally get in.
<< <i>Also if you going to hold his teammates around him responsible for his success then I guess Troy Aikeman, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw and Peyton Manning cannot be HOFers due to their teammates being so good. >>
It has nothing to do with holding teammates responsible, it is a matter of giving appropriate credit for everyone involved
Dave
1st ballot HOF er? debatable.
That is by no means saying he will not get in.
<< <i>It has nothing to do with holding teammates responsible, it is a matter of giving appropriate credit for everyone involved >>
The commentator was giving Warner 0% credit, teamates 100%. He stated that he only was successful due to his teammates, IE he himself wasn't good.
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<< <i>". Also if you going to hold his teammates around him responsible for his success then I guess Troy Aikeman, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw and Peyton Manning cannot be HOFers due to their teammates being so good. >>
ZING!! >>
Joe Montana and Peyton Manning both excelled with different sets of teammates, and showed the ability to do well without being carried by their teammates. They were clearly the main reason why their teams were so good.
Aikman and Bradshaw did nothing when their teammates were not carrying them. The Steelers defense was clearly the reason why they were so good(as well as their HOF running game, and HOF receivers). Bradshaw did nothing mroe than what Jeff George would have done with them.
Aikman had the best offensive line in the game, one of the best running backs, a wide receiver who would catch anything in coverage(partly because he pushed off all the time). When those guys weren't at their best, Dallas did squat. Aikman could not carry a team, and he showed it.
however u want to measure it
was warner great
absolutely
The Colts have had very good players at alot of positions and the 49ers had 3 to 4 HOFs at all times.
Bradshaw is a weak HOFer I agree but again he was on the team and they won and he did play well in the SB's he played in.
Point is that all SB teams for the most part have multiple stars, HOF talented players so to single any one player out as being only the result of the talent around him is ridiculous.
You also forget Aikeman was punch drunk during the decline years of the Cowboys with many many concussions that made him gun shy in the pocket.