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Jets could be the 2001 Patriots reborn

jdip9jdip9 Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭
The teams are VERY similar:

1. A young QB that is just asked to manage the game (remember Brady didn't develop into an elite QB until his 3rd year).
2. A strong defense that may bend, but doesn't break, led by a game-changing CB (Ty Law).
3. A strong running game to control the clock.
4. A defensive-minded head coach that isn't afraid to take chances

As much as I hate to admit it, we could be seeing the start of a new dynasty in the AFC East.
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  • I dont know. The last 2 years they finished 9-7 and this year they barely made the playoffs because the colts rested their starters.
  • jdip9jdip9 Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭
    I forgot #5.

    5. Getting some lucky breaks along the way.
  • MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    Easy now, lets not get carried away. They look more similar to the 2005 Steelers than the Patriots.

    Young QB (actually Roethlisberger won the 2 playoff games throwing and had a bad SB) and good run game with a dominating D. The Jets however are much more conservative on offense (Steelers used alot of trick plays) and don't have anyone as good as Hines Ward catching the ball. They will need to open it up IMO to win at Indy.
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  • jdip9jdip9 Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭
    Nobody thought the Pats would make it to the Super Bowl that year (as evidenced by being 7-pt underdogs to PIT in the AFC Championship). Its easy to look back in hindsight and say the Pats were a great team in 2001. It's much harder to see those things before it happens. The Jets have a lot of pieces in place to be very good for a very long time. If they ever find a pass rush specialist that can get 13-15 sacks a year, you can etch their name on the trophy a couple times over the next 5 years, because that defense will be unreal, even better than they are right now.

    Everyone forgets that Week 16 was a VERY close game when the starters were pulled. Everyone assumes that Indy would go on to win, but there was nothing to convince me of that, especially since the Jets had field position when the starters left.
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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,341 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Im not ready to crown the Jets a possible "Dynasty in the making" just yet, sure its possible, like the Pats they have done extremely well with their recent draft picks all without Kris Jenkins.

    Indy will beat them and that will quiet down this type of talk in my opinion.
  • jdip9jdip9 Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭
    My thesis obviously depends on the development of Sanchez into an elite QB, which isn't a given...but based on what I see of the Jets right now, the similarities are fairly striking.

  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jdp9 speaks the truth. It's up to the masses to listen! image


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  • gosteelersgosteelers Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭
    Jets run game is actually better right now than the Pats had in '01. Also, I think the Jets D right now is better than the Pats of '01, but Sanchez is not even close to what Brady was (even way back in '01).
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd agree that Sanchez cannot be compared to Brady at this stage, but players develop at different stages and this guy is a rookie starting QB who had very few starts as a starting QB at USC. He may turn out to be sensational or he may turn out to be mediocre, but right now I'd say he has a very high ceiling.


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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭


    Im not ready to crown the Jets a possible "Dynasty in the making" just yet,




    Me either and I'm a fan. Lets take it one game at a time and the Colts resting players is a lame reason why this team made it to the PO.


    LAME.


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  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Okay, this is now officially the most ridiculous thread of 2010. But don't worry, it's only January.

    How can we even mention Tom Brady and the awful Mark Sanchez in the same breath? Or a defensive genius like Bellichek versus, well, a fat guy with a big mouth in Rex Ryan? Let's not forget for a minute what is going on here - the Colts and then the Bengals gave the Jets two games at the end of the season (thereby knocking out the more deserving Steelers and Texans). Then, the Jets get to play the worst team after them in the playoffs (Bengals again) and the worst playoff team with the worst playoff coach and RB ever (Chargers) who did more to lose their games than the Jets did to win them. Now, the Colts and two serious NFC opponents remain - the Jets are out of their league.

    But be happy about this little run, because you know this will be the last of the Jets making any noise for a good long while.
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here comes Jerry out from under the bed with latest load of nonsense...at least your fellow NE fans have some level of objectivity here, good thing for NE you have nothing to do with talent evaluation or player personnel. Keep predicting the Jets will lose...you've got to be right one of these times, LOL..

    EditL If you don't think Rex Ryan is one of the brightest defensive coaching talents in the NFL, you haven't been paying attention. Wake up, man, the secret is out! LOL!


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  • jdip9jdip9 Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭
    "(thereby knocking out the more deserving Steelers and Texans). "

    Really? What made the Steelers more deserving? They lost to the Chiefs, Raiders, and Browns in 3 consecutive weeks. Sorry, the Steelers LEAST deserved to get in out of all the 9-7 teams. The Jets stomped Houston 24-7 at Houston in Week 1.

    CT - you seem to forget what everyone said about the 2001 Pats: "the only reason they beat the Raiders was that stupid Tuck Rule"..."they needed 2 special teams TDs to beat the Steelers"...kind of sounds like the same rationalization you are applying to discredit the Jets' success.



  • << <i>"(thereby knocking out the more deserving Steelers and Texans). "

    Really? What made the Steelers more deserving? >>



    The Steelers were absolutely more deserving than the jets. The steelers beat the packers, ravens, chargers, titans, vikings, and Broncos.

    With Polamalu back and Ben having his best season ever, the Steelers probably would be going to the super bowl again.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
    < "(thereby knocking out the more deserving Steelers and Texans). "

    Really? What made the Steelers more deserving? >>



    The Steelers were absolutely more deserving than the jets. The steelers beat the packers, ravens, chargers, titans, vikings, and Broncos.

    With Polamalu back and Ben having his best season ever, the Steelers probably would be going to the super bowl again.


    A team that loses five straight doesn't deserve to make the playoffs, especially when 2 of those games were to the Browns and the Cheifs, no matter who's missing in action.


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  • << <i>< "(thereby knocking out the more deserving Steelers and Texans). "

    Really? What made the Steelers more deserving? >>



    The Steelers were absolutely more deserving than the jets. The steelers beat the packers, ravens, chargers, titans, vikings, and Broncos.

    With Polamalu back and Ben having his best season ever, the Steelers probably would be going to the super bowl again.


    A team that loses five straight doesn't deserve to make the playoffs, especially when 2 of those games were to the Browns and the Cheifs, no matter who's missing in action. >>



    I disagree. During their 5 game skid they had key injuries with Rothlisberger and Polamalu. They got hot at the right time and won their last 3 games over good teams. Every game the steelers lost were 8 points or less. Browns went on to win their last 4 games and is always a big rivalry game. Cheifs game was also on the road.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Injuries are part of football, man and a sorry excuse...anyway Ben missed a grand total of one game, which they should have won if their D hadn't let them down as they did late in games most of the season...The Bungals swept them in the regular season...if they couldn't win one of those two they had no business being in the playoffs. Heck, they couldn't even beat Oak at home in a game that was a must-win for them...


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  • << <i>Injuries are part of football, man and a sorry excuse...anyway Ben missed a grand total of one game, which they should have won if their D hadn't let them down as they did late in games most of the season...The Bungals swept them in the regular season...if they couldn't win one of those two they had no business being in the playoffs. Heck, they couldn't even beat Oak at home in a game that was a must-win for them... >>



    Right they put themselves in a huge hole after that 5 game skid. But still had the same record as the ravens and jets. But they bounced back and won their last 3 games. AND the games they lost were ALL close. They beat 4 teams that made the playoffs. How many playoff teams did the jets beat during the regular season?
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Or a defensive genius like Bellichek





    Yeah some genius, as long as he is stealing signs he's a genius.




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  • << <i>Right they put themselves in a huge hole after that 5 game skid. But still had the same record as the ravens and jets. But they bounced back and won their last 3 games. AND the games they lost were ALL close. They beat 4 teams that made the playoffs. How many playoff teams did the jets beat during the regular season? >>




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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    And If I recall one of them was the Patriots, who are led by a genius.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    The bottom line are the Jets made the playoffs and if they were from buttfunk nobody here would be
    saying anything. The anti NY bias is really getting old. One year the Sox backed into the playoffs and Jerry
    said 'it doesn't matter how they get in they are in' imageimageimage of course that opinion changes when it's
    a NY club.


    Steve


    Good for you.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,341 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So by all acounts this thread should be in the infant stages of a distant Memory come Sunday night?


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    << <i>. A defensive-minded head coach that isn't afraid to take chances >>



    Isnt this team pretty much Mangini's Team?
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A defensive-minded head coach that isn't afraid to take chances >>



    Isnt this team pretty much Mangini's Team?


    Mangini is toxic and no one wanted to play for him. The players will run through brick walls for Ryan and he has them believing in themselves. Look what he's done for Revis alone...


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    << <i>A defensive-minded head coach that isn't afraid to take chances >>



    Isnt this team pretty much Mangini's Team?


    Mangini is toxic and no one wants to play for him. The players will run through brick walls for Ryan and he has them believing in themselves. Look what he's done for Revis alone... >>



    Ryan is a GREAT guy from what I get via news and hearing him behind the mic, Im not disrespecting him by any stretch all Im saying is that its ironic that his success ( so far ) is on the heels of players that Mangini brought in.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
    < A defensive-minded head coach that isn't afraid to take chances >>



    Isnt this team pretty much Mangini's Team?

    Mangini is toxic and no one wants to play for him. The players will run through brick walls for Ryan and he has them believing in themselves. Look what he's done for Revis alone... >>



    Ryan is a GREAT guy from what I get via news and hearing him behind the mic, Im not disrespecting him by any stretch all Im saying is that its ironic that his success ( so far ) is on the heels of players that Mangini brought in.


    I understand your point Perk, and the improvement of the Jets defense this season over last with essentially the same personnel only further illustrates the difference in Mangini and Ryan as far as being able to get the most out of his players and getting players to believe in themselves in a winning environment. Two main stars this postseason, though (Sanchez and Greene), are rookies with high ceilings, too.. To me, the real man behind the assembly of this team is not Mangini or Ryan, but Bradway...he's the guy who's gone out and acquired or drafted these players and he's done a terrific job, IMO..


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  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Sanchez has been a "star" this postseason? image Kind of stretching the use of that term a bit? He completed a whopping 12 passes in each game (and his QB rating against the Chargers was 60.1!). I know, I know, the Jets are a running team so you don't really need a good QB. Even the best comments about Sanchez say he "manages the game well".

    Wow.

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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sanchez will most definitely be considered a star as far as New York is concerned if he can take this team to the Super Bowl as its stareting QB. Don't forget this kid is a true rookie who only had a handful of starts under his belt at USC before he turned pro. He's getting better each week and has made big plays in the playoffs when they've needed him to. We don't need him to do much now, but in the years to come I have no doubt he will develop into an outstanding pro QB. Jerry, have you seen the rookie stats of QBs like Manning, Elway and Aikman? I guess you'd have called those guys terrible, too, based on the numbers they put up as rookies. Sanchez will only get better from here on in while the Pats and Brady get older and more frustrated watching the Jets from the living room couches in January...enjoy the view! image


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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One year the Sox backed into the playoffs and Jerry
    said 'it doesn't matter how they get in they are in' of course that opinion changes when it's
    a NY club.


    LOL< Jerry talks so much carp he has trouble keeping all his "opinions" straight..

    The bias is so obvious it renders most of what he claims meaningless..image


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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    So by all acounts this thread should be in the infant stages of a distant Memory come Sunday night?







    That is very possible, by the way what ever happened to the last Patriot thread?

    It's been a very distant memory.



    Win or lose Sunday I'm very happy with what the team did this season.

    According to some the Bengals laid down, hopefully those that say that

    have some proof. Laying down is a serious allegation.


    Steve
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  • baseballfanbaseballfan Posts: 5,449 ✭✭✭
    i sure hope so


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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,341 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>So by all acounts this thread should be in the infant stages of a distant Memory come Sunday night?







    That is very possible, by the way what ever happened to the last Patriot thread?

    It's been a very distant memory.



    Win or lose Sunday I'm very happy with what the team did this season.

    According to some the Bengals laid down, hopefully those that say that

    have some proof. Laying down is a serious allegation.


    Steve >>



    What happened to the Pats thread- we lost. The difference is my Pats thread was about this season, this thread is more along the lines about a Jets dynasty being born which is freakin' ridiculas if you ask me.

    Like I said once Indy crushes this team the "Dynasty" talk will be a distant memory, perhaps I should have worded it that way instead of saying the thread will be a distant memory.

    And I agree you should be very proud of your team this year, regardless how they got here they are here and thats the bottom line.


  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭


    << <i>LOL< Jerry talks so much carp he has trouble keeping all his "opinions" straight.. >>



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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    this thread is more along the lines about a Jets dynasty being born which is freakin' ridiculas if you ask me.






    I agree, I said as much earlier in the thread.

    The bottom line is the Jets ARE playing tomorrow and some here just can't accept that.

    Claiming teams laid down is BS. Saying a team laid down is implying a team allowed

    another team to win on purpose.


    Steve
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  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Steve - no, that's not the point being made at all. The Jets received many fortunate breaks to get into the playoffs, and you cannot deny that. The Colts pulling their starters out of that game when they did, and the Bengals not playing many of their starters at all in the last week certainly allowed the Jets to get in, when even their coach thought they were out. But it's not the Jets fault - they have to play the cards they were dealt. So here they are, in the AFC championship game, bizarre as that may be.

    But spinning that into a "Jets dynasty"? Wow, now that is a big load of carp.
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I never spun anything into a Jets dynasty.


    And it may nit have been your point but it could be read that way.


    Sanchez looked mighty pathetic on that TD pass I may add.


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    Steve
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, according to "Scout" Jerry he's bad even for a rookie, LMAO!!


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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Boy, that Sanchez is horrible! 2 TDs 0 INTs...Hey, Jerry, you must win a bundle at sports betting, LOL!!


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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,341 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ok can we switch this threads title to the Jets had a great 2009 Season instead?
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
    We'll be back next year and Sanchez will have a season under his belt...this was just a stepping stone..

    Edit: maybe next year we should videotape the other team's practices to be more like those '01 Pats, LOL...image


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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,341 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>We'll be back next year and Sanchez will have a season under his belt...this was just a stepping stone..

    Edit: maybe next year we should videotape the other team's practices to be more like those '01 Pats, LOL...image >>




    Good idea, you guys need as much help as you can get! image
  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Thankfully, this thread may now end. And Rex Ryan can still make it to McDonalds for a late night run at the dollar menu.
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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,341 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Thankfully, this thread may now end. And Rex Ryan can still make it to McDonalds for a late night run at the dollar menu. >>




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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
    With I Spy Bill and the rest of aging Pats out of the way, we look forward to winning the division next season. image


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    Good idea, you guys need as much help as you can get! image >>




    WE need HELP?? Where were the pats during the division finals? Tivo-ing the JETS to get some advice on how to play defense?
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    << <i>Boy, that Sanchez is horrible! 2 TDs 0 INTs...Hey, Jerry, you must win a bundle at sports betting, LOL!! >>





    Didn't he throw a pick?


    ESPN.com shows a pick.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
    << Boy, that Sanchez is horrible! 2 TDs 0 INTs...Hey, Jerry, you must win a bundle at sports betting, LOL!! >>





    Didn't he throw a pick?


    ESPN.com shows a pick.


    No, not at the time I posted that he hadn't..

    And in fairness to him, the pick he did throw late was on a deflection..


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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,341 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Good idea, you guys need as much help as you can get! image >>




    WE need HELP?? Where were the pats during the division finals? Tivo-ing the JETS to get some advice on how to play defense? >>




    Do yourself a favor and try posting & talking your team up during the regular season and you might understand Im clowning around with Grote.

    See what happens when your a fairweather fan and only post when your team makes it to the AFC Championship game? image
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