<< <i>but I am sure glad to see so many people got all worked up over a FAKE autograph. This is a great study in human behavior >>
Talk about the Pot calling the Kettle Black. That one of the most hypocrytical statements I have ever seen. >>
You need to look up the definition of "hypocrytical" before using it in an argument.
May I ask why you are so emotionally involved over a FAKE Wilt Autograph? Ask yourself this question and you will gain insights to your personal make-up and desire to be part of a larger group when such a group does not exist in your non-online life.
Are you saying that this Wilt which Bill sold me is fake? I thought it was a strange image to use for a card, but I don't know anything about basketball.
That's one thing about Human Behavior you might want to take note of... If you have a long history of positive transactions and helpful, informative posts... you WILL be given the benefit of the doubt. It would be an awful world to live in if you could not build up any reputation in the long run.
If you have a short history and one that is full of drama, you probably only have a rope long enough to hang yourself with.
In the past I've seen people call out great, positive long term, helpful members like Felicia... from what I've seen, it's never ended well for the original poster. It's usually better to take the high road.
Regardless of what happens with the Wilt, if you keep grasping at straws, it's only going to get worse for you.
Let it go and apologize. >>
PSA/DNA will be the Arbiter in this "battle".
Bill has attempted to rally the troops while he sits unemployed, but that is fine.
In reality this is just a message board and has no bearing on real life, but I am sure glad to see so many people got all worked up over a FAKE autograph. This is a great study in human behavior.
J >>
Note the bolded part because you're wrong. Bill depends on eBay sales for income, which you're attempting to MALICIOUSLY discredit.
Additionally, he's already stated:
<< <i>I'm not taking your stupid proposal.
However, if PSA/DNA says it is likely not authentic, I will take the auction down and relist on the BST forum here. It can be a live auction and anyone willing to take a chance that it is actually authentic can bid. The proceeds from the sell will then be donated to Stown's Race for the Cure campaign.
And, just because that's the way I roll, if it is deemed authentic I will still auction it off here in a live auction and donate half the proceeds to the same charity. >>
Therefore, you are not only attempting to not only hurt HIS "real life" but also a donation to one of my charities, which directly affects their "real life".
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i>May I ask why you are so emotionally involved over a FAKE Wilt Autograph? Ask yourself this question and you will gain insights to your personal make-up and desire to be part of a larger group when such a group does not exist in your non-online life. >>
Justin, Be very careful, before you look to personally take this arguement to me. I have no history whatsoever of being nothing but on the up and up. We can not say the same for you.
Not going to defend my income like some others have done on this forum because that didn't end well for those posters either.
I will say that I make more than enough money that my wife is afforded the luzury of not having to work and I still have plenty left over to pizz away on cardboard pictures of athletes.
Had I gotten this Chamberlain auto I would not know if it were fake or real (BTW neither does anyone else for sure), so I would have checked eBay to see what they sell for and started mine somewhere in that vicinity. If there were others to compare it to on eBay I would have given them a look to compare to mine, but if they had not been identical that would not have been enough to make me think mine was fake (maybe just signed in a hurry, or a TTM while on the toilet).
Seeing as how that is exactly what Bill did this thread seems way out of line. Bill adding the quick opinion to the auction speaks volumes to the complete opposite of what DrJ is suggesting, and if the quick opinion deems it likely not genuine, that will not make Bill wrong in how he went about his listing.
Once again, this is just my take on the situation.
This is the guy that got to 20,000 women?? Is there an official group sub sign up yet? I trust Bill with my cards. Thats the face of an angel and the stance of killer!
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<< <i>May I ask why you are so emotionally involved over a FAKE Wilt Autograph? Ask yourself this question and you will gain insights to your personal make-up and desire to be part of a larger group when such a group does not exist in your non-online life. >>
Justin, Be very careful, before you look to personally take this arguement to me. I have no history whatsoever of being nothing but on the up and up. We can not say the same for you. >>
Please. You and Fandango are legendary "friends" around these parts.
You jumped into the thread my man and now you are posting warnings of taking up an argument. Maybe now you are learning the definition if "hypocrite".
<< <i>I am looking to pick up a Wilt autograph as he is one of the final (5) I need for my NBA 50 greatest set and I stumble across this BIN by non other than LSUTigers1973 (aka Bill))
What gives Bill with passing off fake Wilt Autographs on eBay at 49.99 or Best Offer?? You know real Wilt signed cards go for 200 to 300 easily, this is one of the worst fakes I have ever seen (just look at the other PSA/DNA examples), and you submit cards to PSA all the time, so obviously if it was real you would get it slabbed and make money off the card.
I have already archived this entire thread. You can bet it is not going anywhere until PSA/DNA comes back, Bill pulls his auction and issues an apology.
I have already archived this entire thread. You can bet it is not going anywhere until PSA/DNA comes back, Bill pulls his auction and issues an apology. >>
I had to read fast before this thread gets poofed!!
Seems like a simple case of buyer beware. Its not like Bill advertised this auto as authentic....heck he even gave the link to the psa/dna quick opinion and basically told any potential buyers to the needful. Why is this such a huge freaking deal??
If someone buys that card (or any un-authenticated card) without using a quick opinion type service then they are the idiots and not the seller. There is nothing wrong with posting a autographed card and asking the buyer to do what he needs to do before the auction ends to verify the authenticity of the card. I have done it and like Bill...I did not state that the autograph was authentic and provided a link to quick opinion to give the buyer a measure of confidence that what he was buying was legitimate.
<< <i>Are you saying that this Wilt which Bill sold me is fake? I thought it was a strange image to use for a card, but I don't know anything about basketball.
>>
Should have been a cut sig coming from you Doran.
Kiss me once, shame on you. Kiss me twice.....let's party.
I have already archived this entire thread. You can bet it is not going anywhere until PSA/DNA comes back, Bill pulls his auction and issues an apology. >>
DrJ,
Seriously, you need to step back for a moment because you're judgement is completely flawed.
Bill has already stated what he will do, regardless if it comes back authentic or not.
If anyone owes an apology to the forum, it's you.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i>Please. You and Fandango are legendary "friends" around these parts. >>
Just because you cant get your head out off your a$$ long enough to realize that Fandango might be able to offer up something useful to the general masses, particularly where it pertains to Albert Pujols is your problem. But do us all of favor, keep on posting, because all your doing is showing the rest of the collecting community what a real piece of crap you are. Go down in flames Justin, because there isnt a sole on these boards that would pi$$ on you if you were on fire!
<< <i>I had to read fast before this thread gets poofed!!
Seems like a simple case of buyer beware. Its not like Bill advertised this auto as authentic....heck he even gave the link to the psa/dna quick opinion and basically told any potential buyers to the needful. Why is this such a huge freaking deal??
If someone buys that card (or any un-authenticated card) without using a quick opinion type service then they are the idiots and not the seller. There is nothing wrong with posting a autographed card and asking the buyer to do what he needs to do before the auction ends to verify the authenticity of the card. I have done it and like Bill...I did not state that the autograph was authentic and provided a link to quick opinion to give the buyer a measure of confidence that what he was buying was legitimate. >>
In all honesty it is against eBay TOS to sell fake autos. I was hesitant about sending the Quick opinion since it could get Bill's other listings pulled, but it has been sent.
<< <i>Hey, I hear that clown Ron Burgundy has like 8 separate posts on the BST board right now if you want to throw another board member under the bus too! >>
It is rude to disrupt a good thread with your spam.
<< <i>In all honesty it is against eBay TOS to sell fake autos. I was hesitant about sending the Quick opinion since it could get Bill's other listings pulled, but it has been sent. >>
Yes, that makes sense. You were trying to HELP Bill by posting this thread.
<< <i>I was hesitant about sending the Quick opinion since it could get Bill's other listings pulled, but it has been sent. >>
I think I have a total of 3 auto'd cards (all with COAs) currently listed on eBay out of over 500 listings. Do you really think eBay would pull all my listings because PSA said one card ws likely not authentic.
<< <i> Bill, I think you should just stop all this nonsense and just quit the hobby right now. In fact send me all of your cards while you're at it. >>
You can't take all Bill's cards unless it involves a large truck and a road trip.... it just wouldn't be right any other way!!!!!
<< <i>I had to read fast before this thread gets poofed!!
Seems like a simple case of buyer beware. Its not like Bill advertised this auto as authentic....heck he even gave the link to the psa/dna quick opinion and basically told any potential buyers to the needful. Why is this such a huge freaking deal??
If someone buys that card (or any un-authenticated card) without using a quick opinion type service then they are the idiots and not the seller. There is nothing wrong with posting a autographed card and asking the buyer to do what he needs to do before the auction ends to verify the authenticity of the card. I have done it and like Bill...I did not state that the autograph was authentic and provided a link to quick opinion to give the buyer a measure of confidence that what he was buying was legitimate. >>
In all honesty it is against eBay TOS to sell fake autos. I was hesitant about sending the Quick opinion since it could get Bill's other listings pulled, but it has been sent. >>
I would assume it says "Knowingly" selling fake autos.
<< <i>Here's a question. Do you think Upper Deck contracted with these players NOT to sign any Heroes cards that Upper Deck didn't have them sign exclusively? I have seen Aaron and Williams heroes cards signed and not numbered, meaning they weren't official UD issued. Would have been a good move on UD's part to avoid confusion, fakes, etc. Not sure that ever happened in Wilt's case. >>
I know Upper Deck did with the 1997 UD Legends Autos. Bobby Mitchell wrote me a letter saying he could not sign that particular card, actually it was a post it note stuck to the card, signed "BM" and possibly still around here somewhere. If anyone cares, I will look for it.
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<< <i>during intermission i just wanted to say, i watched the girl eating popcorn for 5 minutes, i know i love her,,,,bj >>
Did you see the way her forearm touches her boobie every time she put the popcorn in her mouth? >>
I did.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i> What people sell is their business. Bill didn't physically sign Wilt's name to that card and he assumes it is real. Just as I didn't make fake Gretzky cards. I bought them years ago and put them on eBay as "reprints" (which BTW, PSA recognizes the "counterfeit" as it has been called by many here, a "reprint". Counterfeit or reprint or whatever I should have been contacted first through PM, before a thread was started about me.
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<< <i>I'm gonna list an '89 Upper Deck Griffey signed by Wilt for $69.95 authenticated by myself. >>
smart alec.
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<< <i>but I am sure glad to see so many people got all worked up over a FAKE autograph. This is a great study in human behavior >>
Talk about the Pot calling the Kettle Black. That's one of the most hypocrytical statements I have ever seen.
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<< <i>but I am sure glad to see so many people got all worked up over a FAKE autograph. This is a great study in human behavior >>
Talk about the Pot calling the Kettle Black. That one of the most hypocrytical statements I have ever seen. >>
You need to look up the definition of "hypocrytical" before using it in an argument.
May I ask why you are so emotionally involved over a FAKE Wilt Autograph? Ask yourself this question and you will gain insights to your personal make-up and desire to be part of a larger group when such a group does not exist in your non-online life.
<< <i>1 1 15757886 GEM MINT 10 1987 LEAF 3 DALE MURPHY DIAMOND KINGS Card US
Total Items: 1
Date Received: 12/31/2009 >>
Did that pop this morning?? Wow, nice card! >>
It was a pop 1 when it was first subbed but was mislabeled as Donruss. Now it's a pop 3
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<< <i>1 1 15757886 GEM MINT 10 1987 LEAF 3 DALE MURPHY DIAMOND KINGS Card US
Total Items: 1
Date Received: 12/31/2009 >>
Did that pop this morning?? Wow, nice card! >>
It was a pop 1 when it was first subbed but was mislabeled as Donruss. Now it's a pop 3
You're really off your game, Bill. You should've taken advantage of PSA's error and sold it on eBay for a BIN of $49.99.
<< <i> This is a great study in human behavior.
J >>
That's one thing about Human Behavior you might want to take note of... If you have a long history of positive transactions and helpful, informative posts... you WILL be given the benefit of the doubt. It would be an awful world to live in if you could not build up any reputation in the long run.
If you have a short history and one that is full of drama, you probably only have a rope long enough to hang yourself with.
In the past I've seen people call out great, positive long term, helpful members like Felicia... from what I've seen, it's never ended well for the original poster. It's usually better to take the high road.
<< <i>
<< <i>
Regardless of what happens with the Wilt, if you keep grasping at straws, it's only going to get worse for you.
Let it go and apologize. >>
PSA/DNA will be the Arbiter in this "battle".
Bill has attempted to rally the troops while he sits unemployed, but that is fine.
In reality this is just a message board and has no bearing on real life, but I am sure glad to see so many people got all worked up over a FAKE autograph. This is a great study in human behavior.
J >>
Note the bolded part because you're wrong. Bill depends on eBay sales for income, which you're attempting to MALICIOUSLY discredit.
Additionally, he's already stated:
<< <i>I'm not taking your stupid proposal.
However, if PSA/DNA says it is likely not authentic, I will take the auction down and relist on the BST forum here. It can be a live auction and anyone willing to take a chance that it is actually authentic can bid. The proceeds from the sell will then be donated to Stown's Race for the Cure campaign.
And, just because that's the way I roll, if it is deemed authentic I will still auction it off here in a live auction and donate half the proceeds to the same charity. >>
Therefore, you are not only attempting to not only hurt HIS "real life" but also a donation to one of my charities, which directly affects their "real life".
<< <i>
Instant Classic! lol
<< <i>May I ask why you are so emotionally involved over a FAKE Wilt Autograph? Ask yourself this question and you will gain insights to your personal make-up and desire to be part of a larger group when such a group does not exist in your non-online life. >>
Justin, Be very careful, before you look to personally take this arguement to me. I have no history whatsoever of being nothing but on the up and up. We can not say the same for you.
I will say that I make more than enough money that my wife is afforded the luzury of not having to work and I still have plenty left over to pizz away on cardboard pictures of athletes.
Had I gotten this Chamberlain auto I would not know if it were fake or real (BTW neither does anyone else for sure), so I would have checked eBay to see what they sell for and started mine somewhere in that vicinity. If there were others to compare it to on eBay I would have given them a look to compare to mine, but if they had not been identical that would not have been enough to make me think mine was fake (maybe just signed in a hurry, or a TTM while on the toilet).
Seeing as how that is exactly what Bill did this thread seems way out of line. Bill adding the quick opinion to the auction speaks volumes to the complete opposite of what DrJ is suggesting, and if the quick opinion deems it likely not genuine, that will not make Bill wrong in how he went about his listing.
Once again, this is just my take on the situation.
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<< <i>
Instant Classic! lol >>
This is the guy that got to 20,000 women??
Is there an official group sub sign up yet? I trust Bill with my cards. Thats the face of an angel and the stance of killer!
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<< <i>May I ask why you are so emotionally involved over a FAKE Wilt Autograph? Ask yourself this question and you will gain insights to your personal make-up and desire to be part of a larger group when such a group does not exist in your non-online life. >>
Justin, Be very careful, before you look to personally take this arguement to me. I have no history whatsoever of being nothing but on the up and up. We can not say the same for you. >>
Please. You and Fandango are legendary "friends" around these parts.
You jumped into the thread my man and now you are posting warnings of taking up an argument. Maybe now you are learning the definition if "hypocrite".
<< <i>I am looking to pick up a Wilt autograph as he is one of the final (5) I need for my NBA 50 greatest set and I stumble across this BIN by non other than LSUTigers1973 (aka Bill))
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What gives Bill with passing off fake Wilt Autographs on eBay at 49.99 or Best Offer?? You know real Wilt signed cards go for 200 to 300 easily, this is one of the worst fakes I have ever seen (just look at the other PSA/DNA examples), and you submit cards to PSA all the time, so obviously if it was real you would get it slabbed and make money off the card.
Bad play my man.
Quoted for posterity.
I have already archived this entire thread. You can bet it is not going anywhere until PSA/DNA comes back, Bill pulls his auction and issues an apology.
<< <i>Craig,
I have already archived this entire thread. You can bet it is not going anywhere until PSA/DNA comes back, Bill pulls his auction and issues an apology. >>
Seems like a simple case of buyer beware. Its not like Bill advertised this auto as authentic....heck he even gave the link to the psa/dna quick opinion and basically told any potential buyers to the needful. Why is this such a huge freaking deal??
If someone buys that card (or any un-authenticated card) without using a quick opinion type service then they are the idiots and not the seller. There is nothing wrong with posting a autographed card and asking the buyer to do what he needs to do before the auction ends to verify the authenticity of the card. I have done it and like Bill...I did not state that the autograph was authentic and provided a link to quick opinion to give the buyer a measure of confidence that what he was buying was legitimate.
<< <i>Are you saying that this Wilt which Bill sold me is fake? I thought it was a strange image to use for a card, but I don't know anything about basketball.
Should have been a cut sig coming from you Doran.
Kiss me twice.....let's party.
<< <i>Craig,
I have already archived this entire thread. You can bet it is not going anywhere until PSA/DNA comes back, Bill pulls his auction and issues an apology. >>
DrJ,
Seriously, you need to step back for a moment because you're judgement is completely flawed.
Bill has already stated what he will do, regardless if it comes back authentic or not.
If anyone owes an apology to the forum, it's you.
<< <i>Please. You and Fandango are legendary "friends" around these parts. >>
Just because you cant get your head out off your a$$ long enough to realize that Fandango might be able to offer up something useful to the general masses, particularly where it pertains to Albert Pujols is your problem. But do us all of favor, keep on posting, because all your doing is showing the rest of the collecting community what a real piece of crap you are. Go down in flames Justin, because there isnt a sole on these boards that would pi$$ on you if you were on fire!
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<< <i>I had to read fast before this thread gets poofed!!
Seems like a simple case of buyer beware. Its not like Bill advertised this auto as authentic....heck he even gave the link to the psa/dna quick opinion and basically told any potential buyers to the needful. Why is this such a huge freaking deal??
If someone buys that card (or any un-authenticated card) without using a quick opinion type service then they are the idiots and not the seller. There is nothing wrong with posting a autographed card and asking the buyer to do what he needs to do before the auction ends to verify the authenticity of the card. I have done it and like Bill...I did not state that the autograph was authentic and provided a link to quick opinion to give the buyer a measure of confidence that what he was buying was legitimate. >>
In all honesty it is against eBay TOS to sell fake autos. I was hesitant about sending the Quick opinion since it could get Bill's other listings pulled, but it has been sent.
<< <i>Hey, I hear that clown Ron Burgundy has like 8 separate posts on the BST board right now if you want to throw another board member under the bus too! >>
It is rude to disrupt a good thread with your spam.
<< <i>Thats the face of an angel and the stance of killer! >>
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<< <i>In all honesty it is against eBay TOS to sell fake autos. I was hesitant about sending the Quick opinion since it could get Bill's other listings pulled, but it has been sent. >>
Yes, that makes sense. You were trying to HELP Bill by posting this thread.
It's all coming in clear now...
<< <i>I was hesitant about sending the Quick opinion since it could get Bill's other listings pulled, but it has been sent. >>
I think I have a total of 3 auto'd cards (all with COAs) currently listed on eBay out of over 500 listings. Do you really think eBay would pull all my listings because PSA said one card ws likely not authentic.
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<< <i>Wow, it's not everyday you wake up to an epic meltdown. >>
you wake up at 9????!!?!?!?!?
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<< <i>Wow, it's not everyday you wake up to an epic meltdown. >>
you wake up at 9????!!?!?!?!?
Did I catch a niner in there? Were you calling from a walkie talkie?
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<< <i>Wow, it's not everyday you wake up to an epic meltdown. >>
you wake up at 9????!!?!?!?!?
Nope, was up at 8, but didn't get on here to see this until quarter of 9 or so...what time are you up, Jeff? LOL
Bill, I think you should just stop all this nonsense and just quit the hobby right now. In fact send me all of your cards while you're at it.
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<< <i>
Bill, I think you should just stop all this nonsense and just quit the hobby right now. In fact send me all of your cards while you're at it. >>
You can't take all Bill's cards unless it involves a large truck and a road trip.... it just wouldn't be right any other way!!!!!
<< <i>Did I catch a niner in there? Were you calling from a walkie talkie? >>
You ARE freakin out.
Man.
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<< <i>I had to read fast before this thread gets poofed!!
Seems like a simple case of buyer beware. Its not like Bill advertised this auto as authentic....heck he even gave the link to the psa/dna quick opinion and basically told any potential buyers to the needful. Why is this such a huge freaking deal??
If someone buys that card (or any un-authenticated card) without using a quick opinion type service then they are the idiots and not the seller. There is nothing wrong with posting a autographed card and asking the buyer to do what he needs to do before the auction ends to verify the authenticity of the card. I have done it and like Bill...I did not state that the autograph was authentic and provided a link to quick opinion to give the buyer a measure of confidence that what he was buying was legitimate. >>
In all honesty it is against eBay TOS to sell fake autos. I was hesitant about sending the Quick opinion since it could get Bill's other listings pulled, but it has been sent. >>
I would assume it says "Knowingly" selling fake autos.
<< <i>Here's a question. Do you think Upper Deck contracted with these players NOT to sign any Heroes cards that Upper Deck didn't have them sign exclusively? I have seen Aaron and Williams heroes cards signed and not numbered, meaning they weren't official UD issued. Would have been a good move on UD's part to avoid confusion, fakes, etc. Not sure that ever happened in Wilt's case. >>
I know Upper Deck did with the 1997 UD Legends Autos. Bobby Mitchell wrote me a letter saying he could not sign that particular card, actually it was a post it note stuck to the card, signed "BM" and possibly still around here somewhere. If anyone cares, I will look for it.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>during intermission i just wanted to say, i watched the girl eating popcorn for 5 minutes, i know i love her,,,,bj >>
Did you see the way her forearm touches her boobie every time she put the popcorn in her mouth?
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<< <i>
<< <i>during intermission i just wanted to say, i watched the girl eating popcorn for 5 minutes, i know i love her,,,,bj >>
Did you see the way her forearm touches her boobie every time she put the popcorn in her mouth? >>
I did.
<< <i> What people sell is their business. Bill didn't physically sign Wilt's name to that card and he assumes it is real. Just as I didn't make fake Gretzky cards. I bought them years ago and put them on eBay as "reprints" (which BTW, PSA recognizes the "counterfeit" as it has been called by many here, a "reprint". Counterfeit or reprint or whatever I should have been contacted first through PM, before a thread was started about me.
Patrick >>
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<< <i>DrJ: >>
Great movie quote...
What do you guys wanna do now?
I know!.........lets paint something!
edited to add 200!!!!