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1942 1c patterns listing/pictures. Only possible mint state grading set completed!

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edited November 13, 2021 8:38PM in U.S. Coin Forum
Sorry PCGS changed it s user interface which eliminated the pictures.

&scale&scaleBelow are various 1942 patterns with pictures that I have put together over the past decade:

1942 1c J-2054 zinc plated steel. Note that NGC and now PCGS calls them MS while PCGS used to call them PR - 6 shown below
1942 1c j-2055 Maganese or J-2058 Lead. 1 raw - material composition appears to be both - being tested - 1 not shown yet
1942 1c J-2060 Brown Plastic. Note that NGC calls them MS while PCGS calls them PR - 10 of 13 shown below
1942 1c J-2062 Red Plastic. Note that NGC calls them MS while PCGS calls them PR - 1 shown below
1942 1c J-2063 Tan Plastic. Note that NGC calls them MS while PCGS calls them PR - 2 shown below
1942 1c J-2067 Bakelite. - 1 shown below







1942 1c J-2054 zinc plated steel. Note that NGC and nowadays PCGS calls them MS while PCGS used to call them PR

1942 J-2054 NGC/CAC= MS-64 Andy Lustig at 2008 Coinfest show Connecticut===-$9,200.00 (picture forthcoming
1942 J-2054 NGC/CAC= MS-63 Heritage 2009 FUN signature sale January 2009===-$4,312.50
1942 J-2054 PCGS/CAC MS-62 Heritage 2012 Long Beach signature sale June 2012 $6,900.00
1942 J-2054 NGC/CAC= MS-61 Heritage 2010 FUN signature sale January 2010===-$2,300.00
1942 J-2054 PCGS/CAC PR-60 Heritage 2010 FUN signature sale January 2009===-$3,737.50
1942 J-2054 NGC==== UNC= StacksBowers 2012 Baltimore sale March 2012=====$1,898.00 (I would grade this AU-55)


1942 1C "One Cent" Pattern, Judd-2054, Pollock-2074, High R.7, MS64 NGC/CAC. Possibly ex: Kagin's 1977 ANA sale.

Description and Pictures forthcoming.




1942 1C "One Cent" Pattern, Judd-2054, Pollock-2074, High R.7, MS63 NGC/CAC. The obverse depicts a bust right of Liberty, based on the KM-198 Colombian two centavos. The reverse features a wreath and a central legend. Struck in zinc-coated steel. The dies were engraved by John R. Sinnock, and used both inside and outside the Mint. The bronze, zinc-coated steel, manganese, and aluminum pieces were apparently struck at the Mint in the second half of 1942. All other pieces, in various plastic and related compositions were struck privately outside the Mint.
Essentially the same composition that was finally chosen for 1943 Lincoln cent production, this piece has deep gray surfaces with a few tiny spots and some barely detectable corrosion. (#62401)

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1942 1C "One Cent" Judd-2054, Pollock-2074, High R.7, MS62 PCGS/CAC.
This wartime variety was part of an effort to replace the copper in the cent alloy with a less-critical metal. The obverse motif is borrowed from a KM-198 Columbia two centavos. The reverse wreath is from a Baker-155 Washington medalet. Patterns were produced in various materials, but the present alloy was the one used for 1943 cent coinage. Struck in zinc-coated steel with a plain edge. Nicely struck and unabraded with a vertical roller mark (as made) behind Liberty's eye and one small spot each on the cheek and the second S in STATES. (#62401)

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1942 1C "One Cent" Pattern Judd-2054, Pollock-2074, High R.7, MS61 NGC/CAC. Designs as described in the next lot. Heritage's Description:
Struck in zinc-coated steel with a plain edge. This alloy was, of course, the "winner" of the various compositions tested in 1942 for the issued 1943-dated cents. Countless tons of copper were thus saved for the war effort, but consumer confusion between silver dimes and "white" cents led to a 1944 return of the predominantly copper alloy. The present cream-gray piece is satiny and sharply struck. The obverse has a few lengthy hair-thin marks, perhaps made by a curious finder. From The Kiev Collection. (#62401)

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1942 1C "One Cent" Pattern, Judd-2054, Pollock-2074, High R.7, PR60 PCGS/CAC. On the obverse Liberty faces right--a design based on the Colombian two centavo coins--with LIBERTY at the left rim, JUSTICE at the right. The reverse features an olive wreath with berries and UNITED STATES MINT in the center. Struck in zinc-coated steel, one of the types apparently struck within the Mint in 1942. This piece, while strictly Mint State, has heavy diagonal gray toning striations on both sides. Population: 1 in 60, 1 finer (11/08). (#62401)

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1942 1C "One Cent" Judd-2054, Pollock-2074, High R.7. Zinc-Coated Steel. Plain Edge. Unc Details--Environmental Damage (NGC).
StacksBowers Description: Obverse of a bust of Liberty facing right from the Columbian 2 centavo coinage, with LIBERTY left and JUSTICE right, date below. Reverse with open wreath of laurel with UNITED STATES MINT in three lines at the center. Struck medal turn reverse.
Lighter silver-gray on the upper right portion of the obverse, with darker areas on the left from the environmental damage, on the reverse that side is entirely dark with surface roughness and raised patches. All the devices can be seen despite these issues, and likely caused by the zinc coated steel planchet used for this particular pattern issue (recall the 1943 cents, also of steel with zinc coating).
One of perhaps four to six known in all with this particular test alloy. As we know world events required all forms of available metal to be used for the war effort, and less important coins were left to seek any other possible source for their planchets. This period saw a vast number of experiments used to find any suitable planchet stock, with some results not working as well as others.

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1942 1c J-2060 Brown Plastic. Note that NGC calls them MS while PCGS calls them PR

1942 J-2060 NGC MS-67 Heritage 2014 FUN signature sale January 2014 $10,575.00 (Failed CAC)
1942 J-2060 NGC/CAC MS-66 Heritage 2009 FUN signature sale January 2009 $4,312.50
1942 J-2060 PCGS/CAC PR-65 Heritage 2010 FUN signature sale January 2010 $4,715.00
1942 J-2060 PCGS/CAC PR-65 ANR/Stacks 2006 New York Connoisseurs 3/14/06 lot 1372 $7,475.00
1942 J-2060 PCGS/CAC PR-65 Andy Lustig 3/5/11 $3,300.00 raw thought to be PR/MS64 (picture forthcoming)
1942 J-2060 PCGS. PR-64 Mint Error Heritage 5/17/2013 Buy It Now $8,280.00 sold previously at Heritage Auction
1942 J-2060 NGC/CAC MS-63 Heritage 2011 ANA signature sale August 2011 lot 5298 $6,900.00
1942 J-2060 NGC/CAC MS-62 Heritage 2010 FUN signature sale January 2010 $1,840.00
1942 J-2060 NGC/CAC MS-61 Heritage 1014 CSNS sale April 2014 $12,950 (picture forthcoming)
1942 J-2060 Uncertified Planchet Heritage 2009 FUN sale January 2009 $ 488.75
1942 J-2060 Uncertified Planchet Andy Lustig 3/5/11 $700.00 (picture forthcoming)
1942 J-2060 Uncertified Planchet Frank Kay Gift June 1971
1942 J-2060 NGC Unc Details "Reverse Graffiti" Heritage New York March Signature Sale $3,450.00 Determined to contain copper fragments!


1942 Experimental Cent, MS67 Judd-2060, Struck in Brown Plastic The Only MS67 Certified
1942 P1C Judd-2060, Pollock-4035, Low R.7, MS67 NGC. Part of the World War II effort to divert copper from the U.S. cent, this design was tried in various unusual materials, including red fiber and Bakelite. The obverse Liberty bust right design is based on the KM-198 Columbia two centavos. The wreath and legend reverse borrows from a Baker-155 Washington medalet. Struck in brown plastic with a plain edge. Burdette's First Reverse with the second S in STATES high and distant. The dark lavender-brown surfaces are well struck and somewhat wavy, as made. Both sides are covered with fine die polish lines. (PCGS# 12215)



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1942 P1C "One Cent" Pattern, Judd-2060, Pollock-4035, Low R.7, MS66 NGC/CAC. The obverse resembles the KM-198 Colombia two centavos, and the simple reverse has merely a wreath and the legend UNITED/STATES/MINT. Privately struck in brown plastic with a plain edge from dies provided by the U.S. Mint. The lustrous surfaces are chocolate-brown and strictly as made, without any indication of marks or spots. (#62401)

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1942 P1C Cent, Judd-2060, Pollock-4037, Low R.7, PR65 PCGS/CAC. Cent-diameter dies were formed using two available motifs, a Liberty right portrait and a wreath, both similar in layout to the Lincoln Wheat cent. An urgent World War II need for copper compelled the U.S. Mint to find a substitute alloy for the cent. Pieces were struck in various compositions, mostly with poor results. The present piece is struck in brown plastic with a plain edge. This medal turn pattern has glossy and smooth chocolate-brown surfaces. Vertical lines on the central reverse are as made, perhaps formed as the piece cooled to room temperature after striking. (#62401)

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1942 1c J-2060 Brown Plastic. Note that NGC calls them MS while PCGS calls them PR

1942 J-2060 NGC MS-67 Heritage 2014 FUN signature sale January 2014 $10,575.00 (Failed CAC)
1942 J-2060 NGC/CAC MS-66 Heritage 2009 FUN signature sale January 2009 $4,312.50
1942 J-2060 PCGS/CAC PR65 Heritage 2010 FUN signature sale January 2010 $4,715.00
1942 J-2060 PCGS/CAC PR65 ANR/Stacks 2006 New York Connoisseurs 3/14/06 lot 1372 $7,475.00
1942 J-2060 PCGS/CAC PR65 Andy Lustig 3/5/11 $3,300.00 thought to be PR/MS64 (picture forthcoming)
1942 J-2060 PCGS PR64 Mint Error Heritage 5/17/2013 Buy It Now - thought to be PR/MS 64 $8,280.00
1942 J-2060 NGC/CAC MS-63 Heritage 2011 ANA signature sale August 2011 lot 5298 $6,900.00
1942 J-2060 NGC/CAC MS-62 Heritage 2010 FUN signature sale January 2010 $1,840.00
1942 J-2060 NGC/CAC MS-61 Heritage.2014 CSNS sale April 2014 $12,950
1942 J-2060 Uncertified Planchet Heritage 2009 FUN sale January 2009 $ 488.75
1942 J-2060 Uncertified Planchet Andy Lustig 3/5/11 $700.00 (picture forthcoming)
1942 j-2060 Uncertified Planchet Frank Kay Gift June 1971
1942 J-2060 NGC Unc Details "Reverse Graffiti" Heritage New York March Signature Sale $3,450.00




1942 Experimental Cent, MS67 Judd-2060, Struck in Brown Plastic The Only MS67 Certified
1942 P1C Judd-2060, Pollock-4035, Low R.7, MS67 NGC. Part of the World War II effort to divert copper from the U.S. cent, this design was tried in various unusual materials, including red fiber and Bakelite. The obverse Liberty bust right design is based on the KM-198 Columbia two centavos. The wreath and legend reverse borrows from a Baker-155 Washington medalet. Struck in brown plastic with a plain edge. Burdette's First Reverse with the second S in STATES high and distant. The dark lavender-brown surfaces are well struck and somewhat wavy, as made. Both sides are covered with fine die polish lines. (PCGS# 12215)

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1942 P1C "One Cent" Pattern, Judd-2060, Pollock-4035, Low R.7, MS66 NGC/CAC. The obverse resembles the KM-198 Colombia two centavos, and the simple reverse has merely a wreath and the legend UNITED/STATES/MINT. Privately struck in brown plastic with a plain edge from dies provided by the U.S. Mint. The lustrous surfaces are chocolate-brown and strictly as made, without any indication of marks or spots. (#62401)

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1942 P1C Cent, Judd-2060, Pollock-4037, Low R.7, PR65 PCGS/CAC. Cent-diameter dies were formed using two available motifs, a Liberty right portrait and a wreath, both similar in layout to the Lincoln Wheat cent. An urgent World War II need for copper compelled the U.S. Mint to find a substitute alloy for the cent. Pieces were struck in various compositions, mostly with poor results. The present piece is struck in brown plastic with a plain edge. This medal turn pattern has glossy and smooth chocolate-brown surfaces. Vertical lines on the central reverse are as made, perhaps formed as the piece cooled to room temperature after striking. (#62401)

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1942 pattern cent. J-2060, P-4035. Rarity-7-. Proof-65 PCGS/CAC.

Brown plastic. Plain edge. In 1942 the Philadelphia Mint sent dies to private companies interested in supplying materials to substitute for bronze in one cent pieces. These dies were of a fanciful nature, with an obverse portrait from a Colombian coin but with the lettering LIBERTY / JUSTICE and the date 1942. The reverse incorporated a nicely done wreath and the inscription UNITED STATES MINT. The thought was for these companies to experiment with the dies and make "pattern" cents in different materials. This was done, with substances ranging from fiber to plastic to metal. These are listed in the Judd reference. The present example, in brown plastic, is quite attractive.

PCGS Population: 1; none finer.

A couple generations ago the writer (David Bowers) featured one of these on the cover of Empire Topics. This resulted in a visit from a member of the Secret Service, who stated that the piece could not be legally held. It was taken, and a receipt was given, with the promise that after it was studied there would be a report. The agent knew nothing about the background of this particular item, but stated that the Mint hadn't released them. Commentary was unavailing, and the piece passed from our possession. Today, in 2006, we still haven't heard a report. Presumably our coin is tucked away in some correspondence file somewhere in Washington!
Since that long ago time a number of such pieces have traded without hindrance on the numismatic market. Ditto for the General Motors "roller" unofficial patterns of the 1960s.

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1942 J-2060 NGC/CAC= MS-62 (purchased at Heritage 2010 FUN signature sale 1/9/2010 for $1840.00

1942 1C Cent, Judd-2060, Pollock-4035, Low R.7, MS62 NGC/CAC. The obverse resembles the KM-198 Colombia two centavos. The reverse revives the wreath motif from the Baker-155 Washington medalet and adds the legend UNITED/STATES/MINT. Struck in brown plastic with a plain edge. Judd-2060 was privately struck from mint dies in 1942. The intent was to provide a suitable substitute for the bronze cent, which used copper needed for the war effort. The Treasury eventually turned to a zinc-plated steel composition for the 1943 cent. An unabraded chocolate-brown example with satin luster and granular surfaces. Each side has a slender diagonal flan flaw near 9 o'clock, as made. From The Kiev Collection. (#62401)

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Uncertified Planchet for Judd-2060 Pattern Cent. This brown plastic planchet has a raised rim, and is otherwise featureless except for a set of concentric circular grooves near the rim on each side. Judd-2060 was privately struck from mint dies in 1942. The intent was to provide a suitable substitute for the bronze cent, which used copper needed for the war effort. The Treasury eventually turned to a zinc-plated steel composition for the 1943 cent. (#62401)

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1942 1c J-2062 Red Plastic. Note that NGC calls them MS while PCGS calls them PR


1942 J-2062 NGC/CAC MS-64 Heritage 2009 FUN signature sale January 2009 $2,760.00


1942 1C Cent, Judd-2062, Pollock-4045, Low R.7, MS64 NGC/CAC. Copper was required by American forces during World War II, and the Treasury considered striking cents in plastic, glass, rubber, bakelite, fiber, and other non-essential materials. This led to Judd-2051 through Judd-2069, a series of pattern cents in exotic compositions. Dies similar in design to the Lincoln cent but bearing different types (a woman's bust and a wreath) were delivered to private contractors. Struck in red plastic with a plain edge from widely rotated dies. This is a dark brown near-Gem that boasts an exemplary strike and lustrous, seamless surfaces. (#62401)


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1942 1c J-2063 Tan Plastic. Note that NGC calls them MS while PCGS calls them PR


1942 J-2063 NGC/CAC MS-65 Heritage 2009 FUN signature sale January 2009 $4,025.00
1942 J-2063 PCGS/CAC PR62 Heritage 2010 ANA Fort Worth, TX March 2010 $3,737.50

1942 1C Cent, Judd-2063, Pollock-4035, Low R.7, PR65 NGC/CAC. Note that NGC actually graded it MS-65 not PR65 Chief Engraver John R. Sinnock is credited with the designs. The obverse resembles the Columbian two-centavo. The reverse has a peripheral wreath enclosing a three line legend. The types are similar in placement to the Lincoln cent. Struck in tan plastic with a plain edge. The dies have medal turn. Lustrous and sharply struck with a glossy mark-free light-brown appearance. (#62401)

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MS62 Judd-2063 1942 Cent - Split in Two During Strike Heritage 2010 March Fort Worth, TX Signature ANA US Coin Auction #1138 $3,737.50

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1942 Cent, Judd-2063, Pollock-4025, Low R.7--Cracked, Complete Separation--MS62 PCGS/CAC. The obverse portrait of Liberty is taken from the KM-198 Columbia two centavos. The reverse wreath was formerly used on Baker-155 Washington medalets. The central reverse states UNITED STATES MINT instead of a denomination. Struck in tan plastic with a plain edge. The present glossy golden-brown specimen is essentially as made, but broke in half during the strike, separating relatively cleanly on an approximately diagonal path between 4:30 and 10:30. (#62401)

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1942 1c J-2067 Bakelite.


1942 J-2067 PCGS/CAC MS-63 (Reiver collection) Formerly NGC MS-63. Pop 1 in all grades. ANR/Stacks June 2006 Lake Michigan & Springdale Collection June 2006 lot 1045 $4,617.00

Bakelite. Plain edge. Reflective deep black bakelite, a plastic like substance that was used for plugs and other electrical items in the 1950s.

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1942 J-2060 NGC/CAC= MS-62 (purchased at Heritage 2010 FUN signature sale 1/9/2010 for $1840.00

1942 1C Cent, Judd-2060, Pollock-4035, Low R.7, MS62 NGC/CAC. The obverse resembles the KM-198 Colombia two centavos. The reverse revives the wreath motif from the Baker-155 Washington medalet and adds the legend UNITED/STATES/MINT. Struck in brown plastic with a plain edge. Judd-2060 was privately struck from mint dies in 1942. The intent was to provide a suitable substitute for the bronze cent, which used copper needed for the war effort. The Treasury eventually turned to a zinc-plated steel composition for the 1943 cent. An unabraded chocolate-brown example with satin luster and granular surfaces. Each side has a slender diagonal flan flaw near 9 o'clock, as made. From The Kiev Collection. (#62401)

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Uncertified Planchet for Judd-2060 Pattern Cent. This brown plastic planchet has a raised rim, and is otherwise featureless except for a set of concentric circular grooves near the rim on each side. Judd-2060 was privately struck from mint dies in 1942. The intent was to provide a suitable substitute for the bronze cent, which used copper needed for the war effort. The Treasury eventually turned to a zinc-plated steel composition for the 1943 cent. (#62401)

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1942 1c J-2062 Red Plastic. Note that NGC calls them MS while PCGS calls them PR


1942 J-2062 NGC/CAC MS-64 Heritage 2009 FUN signature sale January 2009 $2,760.00


1942 1C Cent, Judd-2062, Pollock-4045, Low R.7, MS64 NGC/CAC. Copper was required by American forces during World War II, and the Treasury considered striking cents in plastic, glass, rubber, bakelite, fiber, and other non-essential materials. This led to Judd-2051 through Judd-2069, a series of pattern cents in exotic compositions. Dies similar in design to the Lincoln cent but bearing different types (a woman's bust and a wreath) were delivered to private contractors. Struck in red plastic with a plain edge from widely rotated dies. This is a dark brown near-Gem that boasts an exemplary strike and lustrous, seamless surfaces. (#62401)


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1942 1c J-2063 Tan Plastic. Note that NGC calls them MS while PCGS calls them PR


1942 J-2063 NGC/CAC MS-65 Heritage 2009 FUN signature sale January 2009 $4,025.00
1942 J-2063 PCGS/CAC PR62 Heritage 2010 ANA Fort Worth, TX March 2010 $3,737.50

1942 1C Cent, Judd-2063, Pollock-4035, Low R.7, PR65 NGC/CAC. Note that NGC actually graded it MS-65 not PR65 Chief Engraver John R. Sinnock is credited with the designs. The obverse resembles the Columbian two-centavo. The reverse has a peripheral wreath enclosing a three line legend. The types are similar in placement to the Lincoln cent. Struck in tan plastic with a plain edge. The dies have medal turn. Lustrous and sharply struck with a glossy mark-free light-brown appearance. (#62401)

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MS62 Judd-2063 1942 Cent - Split in Two During Strike Heritage 2010 March Fort Worth, TX Signature ANA US Coin Auction #1138 $3,737.50

1942 Cent, Judd-2063, Pollock-4025, Low R.7--Cracked, Complete Separation--MS62 PCGS/CAC. The obverse portrait of Liberty is taken from the KM-198 Columbia two centavos. The reverse wreath was formerly used on Baker-155 Washington medalets. The central reverse states UNITED STATES MINT instead of a denomination. Struck in tan plastic with a plain edge. The present glossy golden-brown specimen is essentially as made, but broke in half during the strike, separating relatively cleanly on an approximately diagonal path between 4:30 and 10:30. (#62401)

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1942 1c J-2067 Bakelite.


1942 J-2067 PCGS/CAC MS-63 (Reiver collection) Formerly NGC MS-63. Pop 1 in all grades. ANR/Stacks June 2006 Lake Michigan & Springdale Collection June 2006 lot 1045 $4,617.00

Bakelite. Plain edge. Reflective deep black bakelite, a plastic like substance that was used for plugs and other electrical items in the 1950s.

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1942 J-2060 NGC/CAC= MS-62 (purchased at Heritage 2010 FUN signature sale 1/9/2010 for $1840.00

1942 1C Cent, Judd-2060, Pollock-4035, Low R.7, MS62 NGC/CAC. The obverse resembles the KM-198 Colombia two centavos. The reverse revives the wreath motif from the Baker-155 Washington medalet and adds the legend UNITED/STATES/MINT. Struck in brown plastic with a plain edge. Judd-2060 was privately struck from mint dies in 1942. The intent was to provide a suitable substitute for the bronze cent, which used copper needed for the war effort. The Treasury eventually turned to a zinc-plated steel composition for the 1943 cent. An unabraded chocolate-brown example with satin luster and granular surfaces. Each side has a slender diagonal flan flaw near 9 o'clock, as made. From The Kiev Collection. (#62401)

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Uncertified Planchet for Judd-2060 Pattern Cent. This brown plastic planchet has a raised rim, and is otherwise featureless except for a set of concentric circular grooves near the rim on each side. Judd-2060 was privately struck from mint dies in 1942. The intent was to provide a suitable substitute for the bronze cent, which used copper needed for the war effort. The Treasury eventually turned to a zinc-plated steel composition for the 1943 cent. (#62401)

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1942 1c J-2062 Red Plastic. Note that NGC calls them MS while PCGS calls them PR


1942 J-2062 NGC/CAC MS-64 Heritage 2009 FUN signature sale January 2009 $2,760.00


1942 1C Cent, Judd-2062, Pollock-4045, Low R.7, MS64 NGC/CAC. Copper was required by American forces during World War II, and the Treasury considered striking cents in plastic, glass, rubber, bakelite, fiber, and other non-essential materials. This led to Judd-2051 through Judd-2069, a series of pattern cents in exotic compositions. Dies similar in design to the Lincoln cent but bearing different types (a woman's bust and a wreath) were delivered to private contractors. Struck in red plastic with a plain edge from widely rotated dies. This is a dark brown near-Gem that boasts an exemplary strike and lustrous, seamless surfaces. (#62401)


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1942 1c J-2063 Tan Plastic. Note that NGC calls them MS while PCGS calls them PR


1942 J-2063 NGC/CAC MS-65 Heritage 2009 FUN signature sale January 2009 $4,025.00
1942 J-2063 PCGS/CAC PR62 Heritage 2010 ANA Fort Worth, TX March 2010 $3,737.50

1942 1C Cent, Judd-2063, Pollock-4035, Low R.7, PR65 NGC/CAC. Note that NGC actually graded it MS-65 not PR65 Chief Engraver John R. Sinnock is credited with the designs. The obverse resembles the Columbian two-centavo. The reverse has a peripheral wreath enclosing a three line legend. The types are similar in placement to the Lincoln cent. Struck in tan plastic with a plain edge. The dies have medal turn. Lustrous and sharply struck with a glossy mark-free light-brown appearance. (#62401)

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MS62 Judd-2063 1942 Cent - Split in Two During Strike Heritage 2010 March Fort Worth, TX Signature ANA US Coin Auction #1138 $3,737.50

1942 Cent, Judd-2063, Pollock-4025, Low R.7--Cracked, Complete Separation--MS62 PCGS/CAC. The obverse portrait of Libe image

Bravo to PCGS for finally calling them SP instead of MS or PR.
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Comments

  • speetyspeety Posts: 5,424
    That seems like a bargain for that pattern! Very nice image
    Want to buy an auction catalog for the William Hesslein Sale (December 2, 1926). Thanks to all those who have helped us obtain the others!!!

  • Very interesting. Haven't seen this one before.
  • SaorAlbaSaorAlba Posts: 7,574 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very very nicely done.
    Tir nam beann, nan gleann, s'nan gaisgeach ~ Saorstat Albanaich a nis!
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This example is on the market also at an ask of $2750.00

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  • Pretty cool stuff......by the way it was really nice meeting you at FUN oreville image
  • drwstr123drwstr123 Posts: 7,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oreville, Great post and nice pics too. Thanks
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    Wonderful experimental pieces! An education right here on the page!
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just want to say thank you for sharing such an interesting piece of history with us. very , very cool!!imageimage
    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,838 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is a neat bit of Mint History. Thanks for sharing!

    WS
    Proud recipient of the coveted PCGS Forum "You Suck" Award Thursday July 19, 2007 11:33 PM and December 30th, 2011 at 8:50 PM.
  • pocketpiececommemspocketpiececommems Posts: 5,961 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Now there is something that you don't see everyday. I'm sure that you had fun chasing those downimage
  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    Now THAT's a post! Thanks, oreville.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,474 ✭✭✭✭✭
    While the designation by the grading services for J-2060 thru J-2065 have been customarily indicating plastic composition, most of these, and in particular the J-2060 are actually comprised of phenolic resins, and are extremely fragile. These were almost exclusively manufactured by Durez Plastics and Chemical of Niagara Falls, N.Y. A close associate of mine discovered one of the aforementioned in a junk box at a recent bourse. Not a bad find for twenty five cents. Many of the examples manufactured by Durez have surfaced in the estates of former employees, as there were no strict security standards at the time for inventory control of these. I have personally examined a display of several of these which was created by an heir.

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  • IGWTIGWT Posts: 4,975
    Enjoyed the post, Robert. Thanks.
  • SaorAlbaSaorAlba Posts: 7,574 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Curiously Japan was experimenting and actually did release a few baked clay coins during the last few months of 1945 before they surrendered.

    I am rather surprised given all the scrap metal drives etc during the war, that there was not some concerted effort going on to get people to bring out their penny jars and trade them for larger coins or bills.
    Tir nam beann, nan gleann, s'nan gaisgeach ~ Saorstat Albanaich a nis!
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,054 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Updated
    A Collectors Universe poster since 1997!
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    Even better!
  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very cool image

    Were there ever any examples which were struck in glass or rubber??? could those even have been "struck" coins?? i was surprised to learn that the plastic examples were struck with dies... just so used to having plastic items made in molds.
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    All sorts of things were tried including striking glass pieces using hot dies. None of the documents I've seen so far place firm restrictions of the contractors for distribution of the test pieces. Internally, the mint treated their experimental pieces as trash and discarded them. Apparently some employees then picked through the trash outside the mint to recover the samples.

    Remember – the experimental pieces were NOT legal tender and thus were NOT coins, even though they looked like coins.
  • AnalystAnalyst Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭
    This is an appealing and very interesting group of patterns. Most pattern collectors do not think often about the private issues of 1942. Further, most collectors of regular issues probably do not have the faintest idea about them. Certainly, it is a frontier that has not been entirely explored. Oreville’s post is educational and curious.

    The Queller collection of Patterns, Part 1

    "In order to understand the scarce coins that you own or see, you must learn about coins that you cannot afford." -Me
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,054 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Analyst stated:



    << <i>This is an appealing and very interesting group of patterns. Most pattern collectors do not think often about the private issues of 1942. Further, most collectors of regular issues probably do not have the faintest idea about them. Certainly, it is a frontier that has not been entirely explored. Oreville’s post is educational and curious. >>



    Thank you for the nice comments. It is heartfelt, particularly the last sentence. Coming from one of most esteemed collector of patterns as yourself, it only motivates me even more to try to educate!
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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,054 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ttt to show a friend.
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  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭
  • These are difficult to find. I've been looking for some of these patterns for a while. Wish I could find more of them.
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    A large part of the difficulty is that much of Judd and Pollock are incorrect. Not by intent, but simply from lack of information.

    I'll publish lots of new discoveries in a while.
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,054 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I tried to edit and clean up the original posting using my Ipad2 tablet and it was a disaster.

    I must have doubled up a bunch of the pics and text and will need to go back and use a PC for real stuff.

    The Apple computers appears to be great for play and looking at pictures not for serious writing and editing.
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  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,836 ✭✭✭✭✭
    An amazing work of solid research and factual data that is a Godsend to anyone seeking knowledge of these pattern pieces.

  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,054 ✭✭✭✭✭
    updated.

    More updating needed.
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  • DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
    Very nice, thanks for sharing.
    Becky
  • Thanks oreville. I learned a lot from your thread, and the pieces are surprisingly more affordable than I would have expected. I hope to start a set of these myself.
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,054 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Updated.

    The 1942 "1 cent" J-2054 zinc plated steel pattern has been described by auctioneers and authors as one of perhaps four to six known in all with this particular test alloy and give a high R-7 rating (or 7+ rating).

    However, I have purchased 6 of these patterns as shown below and I am aware of at least 4 or 5 additional pieces.

    This means that the J-2054 zinc plated steel pattern rarity rating will have to be adjusted downward in the future.
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  • Ed62Ed62 Posts: 857 ✭✭
    Oreville:

    Very nice collection from an interesting period of our coinage!!!
    Ed
  • PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 5,978 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I never knew that those were in existance
    Great post a true educational post!
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  • copperhuntercopperhunter Posts: 925 ✭✭✭
    Very interesting coins! I too am curious about the plastic strikes. I suppose technology in the molding presses was not as good as it is today, which prompted the die striking for the plastic pieces? Need to bookmark this topic!
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,054 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PCGS just graded the raw 1942 J-2060 brown plastic pattern I acquired last year.

    I was expecting a 63/64 grade on this one.

    PCGS graded it 65.
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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,519 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oreville, this thread is so freaking awesome! You have a great collection of these! Amazing. image
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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,054 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is a truview picture which better displays all the imperfections of the pattern. Note the reverse lines as made as the liquid solution hardened as it "cured."

    [IMG]http://images.pcgs.com/TrueView/26614751_Max.jpg
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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,519 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is freaking awesome!
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  • PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 5,978 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One of the most informative post ever posted.

    What and educational posts. Thing I never knew!
    Pat Vetter,Mercury Dime registry set,1938 Proof set registry,Pat & BJ Coins:724-325-7211


  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,054 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Purchased yet another J-2060 brown "plastic” in PR64!

    It was previously sold at Heritage back in 2007 and was already in the PCGS slab back then.

    Details to follow.

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  • BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,179 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>...The thought was for these companies to experiment with the dies and make "pattern" cents in different materials. This was done, with substances ranging from fiber to plastic to metal... >>



    Hi oreville,

    Do you have any photos of the "fiber"-composed patterns you mentioned in the OP? And exactly what kind of "fiber" were they struck on?

    Thanks for the thorough and extremely informative thread image
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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,519 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Purchased yet another J-2060 brown "plastic” in PR64!

    It was previously sold at Heritage back in 2007 and was already in the PCGS slab back then.

    Details to follow. >>

    Congrats, looking forward to seeing it! image
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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,054 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This was Heritage lot 2774 1942 One Cent, Judd-2060, Low R.7--Clashed Dies Obverse & Reverse--PR64 PCGS....
    2007 Milwaukee, WI (ANA) Signature Coin Auction #444

    This pattern sold for $6900 back then and I was the forth underbidder. The owner of this pattern decided to sell it and I put in an offer that exceeded the $6900 price and he accepted.

    This is the first 64 graded J2060 pattern I have. I was actually disappointed that the raw one I bought from Andy Lustig graded 65 instead of 64 a few months back. LOL.

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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,519 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cool Oreville, congrats!
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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,054 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here is an interesting 1942 error cent. It was minted with 84% copper, much less than the usual amount of copper. The US Mint did mint coins for many other countries as well. But it would be interesting to find out if they were internally experimenting with ways to reduce their copper usage while looking for a way to eliminate the usage of copper.

    From the Heritage Sgnature sale November 2, 2013 in New York. It sold for $558.13.

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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,519 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congrats!
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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,054 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another J-2060 was acquired at Heritage FUN in January 2014.

    This is a newly graded MS-67 (by NGC) J-2060 brown plastic 1 cent pattern.

    It has a wonderful strike but my other graded 65 and 66 pieces seem as nice as this piece. But I will study this one further
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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,519 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Another J-2060 was acquired at Heritage FUN in January 2014.

    This is a newly graded MS-67 (by NGC) J-2060 brown plastic 1 cent pattern.

    It has a wonderful strike but my other graded 65 and 66 pieces seem as nice as this piece. But I will study this one further >>

    Wow, congrats!
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  • errormavenerrormaven Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Here is an interesting 1942 error cent. It was minted with 84% copper, much less than the usual amount of copper. The US Mint did mint coins for many other countries as well. But it would be interesting to find out if they were internally experimenting with ways to reduce their copper usage while looking for a way to eliminate the usage of copper.

    From the Heritage Sgnature sale November 2, 2013 in New York. It sold for $558.13. >>



    The end of the description reads "3.6". I suspect this means the coin weighs 3.6 grams. Many overweight brass cents are known from 1941 and a few from 1942. Most are in the 3.3 - 3.4 gram range. In a Coin World column I concluded that they were probably a combination of improper alloy mix and rolled-thick stock. They generally sell for less than $100 in EF condition.

    http://www.coinworld.com/articles/heavy-brassy-1941-cents-probably-have-a-prosa
    Mike Diamond is an error coin writer and researcher. Views expressed here do not necessarily reflect those held by any organization I am a member of.
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