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how about russell going to vegas...

baseballfanbaseballfan Posts: 5,458 ✭✭✭
instead of his last team meeting with oakland? i don't think he wants to be a Pro QB. he's just collecting his money and is happy under achieving.

at this rate he will be the next out of money multi-millionaire living under a bridge.

what's he thinking???
Fred

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  • Bosox1976Bosox1976 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Who can blame him Fred? Aren't the Adult Video Awards there this week?

    What a clown he is.
    Mike
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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,037 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Raiders QB Russell in Vegas instead of team meeting?
    By Mark J. Miller

    With Tom Cable coaching the Oakland Raiders, there isn't much reason for quarterback JaMarcus Russell to even show up these days. Cable is no a huge fan, which is why he benched the guy after nine games and let him not attend the team's final team meeting due to "personal reasons."

    According to the San Francisco Chronicle, those reasons must have included gambling in Las Vegas because it's looking like that's where the quarterback was when the meeting took place. The big problem? Team owner Al Davis really, really likes the former overall No. 1 pick and wants Cable to be patient and wait for Russell to get his act together.

    Cable and Davis will no doubt discuss the issue extensively next week when they meet to discuss the team's future. Cable supposedly wants to get rid of Russell and one thing that may help him convince Davis is that it was a teammate that turned in Russell's whereabouts, a signal that Russell doesn't even have the support of his fellow warriors in the trenches.

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,122 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Per Mr. Davis a year or so ago: "The greatness of the Raiders will continue."image

    Regardless of whether he has the intellect necessary to succeed in the NFL, Russell is simply not motivated to put in the work to become a successful QB in the NFL. Do not know if he will change his mindset as he grows a little older, but it just is not happening for him in Oakland.
  • jdip9jdip9 Posts: 1,894 ✭✭✭
    I'd like to think the day is coming soon where teams wake up and realize a QB's success isn't about arm strength, it's what they have between the ears. Russell is clearly lacking in that department. Physical tools account for about 10% of a QBs success. The rest comes from brains, being a leader, and a willingness to put in the time in the film room.
  • They already gave him a big contract and he has virtually no chance of ever cashing in again, so what incentive is there for him not to do something like this? In terms of maximizing personal happiness it actually sounds like a very smart choice
    Tom
  • bkingbking Posts: 3,095 ✭✭


    << <i>Raiders QB Russell in Vegas instead of team meeting?
    By Mark J. Miller

    With Tom Cable coaching the Oakland Raiders, there isn't much reason for quarterback JaMarcus Russell to even show up these days. Cable is no a huge fan, which is why he benched the guy after nine games and let him not attend the team's final team meeting due to "personal reasons."

    According to the San Francisco Chronicle, those reasons must have included gambling in Las Vegas because it's looking like that's where the quarterback was when the meeting took place. The big problem? Team owner Al Davis really, really likes the former overall No. 1 pick and wants Cable to be patient and wait for Russell to get his act together.

    Cable and Davis will no doubt discuss the issue extensively next week when they meet to discuss the team's future. Cable supposedly wants to get rid of Russell and one thing that may help him convince Davis is that it was a teammate that turned in Russell's whereabouts, a signal that Russell doesn't even have the support of his fellow warriors in the trenches. >>



    Let's see if I get this - coach doesn't like player, owner likes player; caoch gives tacit approval for the player to miss the meeting; coach tells owner that "another player outed him, so that proves he's not a leader".

    Anyone else smell a trap laid by Cable???
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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,037 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>They already gave him a big contract and he has virtually no chance of ever cashing in again, so what incentive is there for him not to do something like this? In terms of maximizing personal happiness it actually sounds like a very smart choice >>



    Well he could "cash in" again but does he want to?...and the answer is it sure appears like he doesn't. If somehow he goes broke or can't pay certain bills, then he might, "might", eventually motivate himself to do better. Other than that, I completely agree with if his thinking is such like, "I received a huge signing bonus, I'm wealthy, and as long as I show up and don't violate the terms of my contract, why should I, a rich gentleman, perform better for a team I don't care about, which if I performed better it would mean more 350lb linemen slamming into my body with the risk of pain and injury...I've got the money, I don't need that...getting paid to sit on the bench is okay by me."
  • baseballfanbaseballfan Posts: 5,458 ✭✭✭
    it doesn't sound hard to trap this guy, he's his own worst enemy
    Fred

    collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.

    looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started

  • bkingbking Posts: 3,095 ✭✭


    << <i>it doesn't sound hard to trap this guy, he's his own worst enemy >>



    Aren't most of these athletes today? Of course, if you gave me $100M when I was 20, I'd probably be dead now.
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  • MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    Actually isn't his signing bonus the only thing guranteed in his contract? If he were cut today he wouldn't earn the rest of his contract and only be able to keep whatever bonus's were due.
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  • bkingbking Posts: 3,095 ✭✭


    << <i>Actually isn't his signing bonus the only thing guranteed in his contract? If he were cut today he wouldn't earn the rest of his contract and only be able to keep whatever bonus's were due. >>



    Most likely, but aren't most NFL rookie contracts structured to be mostly signing bonus and fairly low annuals.

    I looked it up - Six years, $61 million, $32 million guaranteed.

    9/10/2007: Signed a six-year, $61 million contract. The deal contains $32 million guaranteed, including all six years' base salaries and a $19.9 million option bonus in the second year. Also available is a onetime performance bonus of $2.8 million. Another $7 million is available through incentives. Russell earned a $3 million escalator for 2010 by taking over 45% of the snaps in 2008. 2009: $7,805,880, 2010: $9.45 million, 2011: $9.35 million, 2012: $583,500 (Voidable Year), 2013: Free Agent

    So, by my math, he's "only" out $600K if they cut him, plus maybe the $7M in incentives.

    Turrrrible contract.
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  • MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    If they cut him today it would be closer to 25 mil they would save.
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  • bkingbking Posts: 3,095 ✭✭


    << <i>If they cut him today it would be closer to 25 mil they would save. >>



    How so?? I'm not questioning you, but my reading of the blurb from roto that I posted made it sound like his annual base is guaranteed for all 6 years. That only leave the incentives.
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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,037 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Chit such as this is an important thing that separates winning teams from losing teams...the perennial losing teams inability to "decipher" the personality of "expensive" players such as this...and what all this money will do to their incentive to want to play the game, especially a brutal game like professional football.

    What a huge, HUGE, mistake.
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