Coin I just Sold is back on eBay

VTCoins

Just sold this coin the other day to the current eBay seller.

I wonder if he'll get more for it than I did?


Link to my auction that ended on December 27th

Link to new auction

doh

WOW, if that is indeed the same coin you sold him he dipped the S**T out of it after he got it from you. And now it's "guaranteed original." Misleading pics, blatant lies in the auction description...yeah, he'll get more than you did for it unfortunately. What a crook

blu62vette

yes he will since he angled his pics to hide some flaws....

sinin1

yes, AU-53's

are worth more than scratched/cleaned XFs





they'll get $100 more

HighRelief

It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Nocerino18

That is indeed the same coin. I picked up some minor flaws that are identical in the same exact locations.
...Yes I also think he will get more. It has been dipped out and the photos are not straight on therefore hiding the cleaning and any visible defects. Original......lol.

Dokis

The wonder of the internet is that we can occasionally see the paths that our sold coins take. I have been both a flipper and a flipee. Never dipped or otherwise altered a coin though, virtually everything has been slabbed.

ElKevvo

Yeah it looks like he cleaned it up a bit...you can still see some of the toning next to the 4 and in other places to match it up...

And the angle photo along with their AU-53 grade will probably make it bring a higher price. I like how the seller puts it on top of a 2X2 that has the Au53 and a price of 325.00...always interesting what folks will do to attempt to get a few extra bucks.

K

CommemDude

This is a very valuable lesson to the new collectors who think they are smarter than the sellers and are going to win big with an underpriced, usually overgraded or cleaned coin, or "unsearched roll".... if I had been alterted to my mistakes as a young collector it would have saved a lot of grief later.

pakasmom

Scum ismatics? Oh wait, I see I misspelled that...

TomB

The seller did a magnificent job of hiding the hairlines that smother the piece. However, I would hope it would be returned by the buyer ASAP since it is obviously a scrubbed up, dipped unattractive piece from the first set of auction images.

gecko109

I misread the new seller's ebay ID as "scumnumismatics".

Wolf359

Angeled photos by experienced sellers usually means hiding a problem. "Guaranteed original", how sad to see people lie like that.

This is where the feedback system doesn't work. How can a guy like that have 100% positive?

Unknown

This content has been removed.

adamlaneus

<< <i>The seller did a magnificent job of hiding the hairlines that smother the piece. However, I would hope it would be returned by the buyer ASAP since it is obviously a scrubbed up, dipped unattractive piece from the first set of auction images. >>



The listing text does mention "obverse hair".

You folks are all so harsh sometimes.



I may be getting jaded and cynical if I feel that this is "typical in the life of a dipped Morgan on eBay".

ksteelheader

<< <i>Scum ismatics? Oh wait, I see I misspelled that... >>



That was the first thought that came to my mind when I saw his name!!

lcoopie

interesting lighting on his pic
as the 2x2 most likely is white

VAMSKY

I checked his feedback for a cross-link to your coin auction and didn't find your feedback. You should definitely leave FB and put 1884-S in the wording. I always check recent seller FB for flipping activity.

astrorat

<< <i>So let5 me ask the forum what would they want , an original coin with pvc on it, or a dipped one with the pvc removed?. >>



Objection...form. How's that for a lawyerly, response?

You are not asking a fair question, because you do not have to "dip" a coin to remove PVC. A "wash" in pure acetone (not the hardware store crud) will work fine and will not disrupt the luster.

So, I would much rather have an original coin with surface PVC* than one that has been dipped. You remove surface PVC without worries, but you can't "undip" a coin.

*Note: I am not referring to longstanding PVC that has eaten into the surface of the coin.

Lane

coindeuce

You should report to eBay the fact that this seller has violated the eBay TOS by stating in his description that he accepts all forms of payment. That type of statement has been banned since October of 2008.

kryptonitecomics

<< <i>The wonder of the internet is that we can occasionally see the paths that our sold coins take. I have been both a flipper and a flipee. Never dipped or otherwise altered a coin though, virtually everything has been slabbed. >>



Me too as are a lot of ebay sellers.....I have no problems buying coins, taking better images and then reselling the same item for more money. When coins are minipulated or images are manipulated and enhanced then it really tells you a lot about who the criminals are on Ebay. The toned coin sellers can be the worst and when ever I sell toned coins they are usually bought by these individuals, images juiced like OJ and thrown back on as monsters when in most cases they aren't. I believe in karma though and I think somewhere in their lives these folks get what they deserve

Type2

I would have said. I hope he get more $$$ then I did and if he does. I will see how he did it. No need to be mad at him or her they just took it a step further. I do it all the time, I see a coin on Hertitage today that was mine in a PCGS MS-65RD holder and was cross to a NGC MS66RD holder it's a 1960-D/D Small over Lg date and will see what he or she get. But I sold it for 295. and now it may sell for 1k + will see good luck to him or her so far it's working for him or her.

doh

<< <i>I would have said. I hope he get more $$$ then I did >>



Really? You'd hope the new seller gets more money than you did by cleaning the coin, taking misleading pictures and blatantly lying in the auction description???

dsessom

At first, I didn't think this was the same coin. However, I used a little Photoshop magic to set them side by side and circled definite identification markers. Yes, this is the same coin without a doubt. However, either the coin or the photo or both have been altered. From observing the second photo in Photoshop, it's clear that the photo has been doctored. The blur tool has definitely been used to hide the two hits on the eagle's breast feathers on the reverse, and the blur tool has also been used in the fields to smooth them out.

VTCoins

<< <i>That is indeed the same coin. I picked up some minor flaws that are identical in the same exact locations.
...Yes I also think he will get more. It has been dipped out and the photos are not straight on therefore hiding the cleaning and any visible defects. Original......lol. >>



It is definitely the same coin.

I'm not completely sure he dipped the coin. It may just be the lighting/angle of the photo hides most of the toning areas.

Type2

A lot of collectors and dealers do it. They cross over coins remove spots of PVC and so on if you do not want this to happen you as a collector should not sell that coin and it will never happen to anyone any more. But if you sell it you started it so you would be just as much to blame. I had one at a show buy the coin from me and as I was walking away he got up and sold it to the the dealer across from him. You see it all of the time. You cant police every one all the time you can put him on your not to sell list and he will buy it from a new dealer or just dont sell that kind of stuff. And yes if he can make more $$$ more power to him or her. I dont like that he is "Misleading", Lying but you can do only what you can do.

Unknown

This content has been removed.

jmski52

isn't a dip the same as acetone wash

No, it's two different things. A "dip" refers to a weak acid etch that removes toning (and some of the coin's original metallic surfaces), among other things. A "rinse" or acetone wash doesn't affect the metal, but it does remove any organic crud that otherwise might eventually corrode the metal.

Acetone itself does not affect the surface of the coin or its surfaces.

Added: I did notice a thread recently that acetone could affect copper, and I suppose that could be true, because alot of things can affect copper, and acetone isn't an inert chemical. Still, it's a good solvent for organic contaminants, and it shouldn't be a problem on *most* metals.

rbalderman1

The reason for the %100 feedback is because most people believe that the $325 is a reasonable price, so anyhing %50 off seems like a great deal. Buyer's Foolishness is all around and the bay doesn't do much to prevent foolishness from happening.

VTCoins

Received an email from the seller, and he said that his son listed the coin on eBay and forgot to mention that it had been cleaned when he built the auction.

He also said that he did not further clean the coin.

He ended the auction and relisted it with a mention that the coin had been cleaned.

To see the new auction listing click here.

coinguy1

<< <i>Received an email from the seller, and he said that his son listed the coin on eBay and forgot to mention that it had been cleaned when he built the auction.

He also said that he did not further clean the coin.

He ended the auction and relisted it with a mention that the coin had been cleaned.

To see the new auction listing click here. >>

That's a big step in the right direction. Of course, the new listing still says "GUARANTEED original".

adamlaneus

<< <i>it had been cleaned when he built the auction.

He also said that he did not further clean the coin. >>



Well, at least that is cleared up.

ksteelheader

<< <i>Received an email from the seller, and he said that his son listed the coin on eBay and forgot to mention that it had been cleaned when he built the auction.

He also said that he did not further clean the coin.

He ended the auction and relisted it with a mention that the coin had been cleaned.

To see the new auction listing click here. >>



With all due respect, it says: and an old cleaning.

19Lyds

I thought eBay took a dim view toward posting photo's of 2x2's with prices written on them?

lkenefic

I asked the seller if the coin has been cleaned... I'll let you know his response...

lkenefic

...I guess it's been relisted with mention of "an old cleaning"...

19Lyds

<< <i>...I guess it's been relisted with mention of "an old cleaning"... >>



"old cleaning" makes everything A-OK!

lkenefic

<< <i>

<< <i>...I guess it's been relisted with mention of "an old cleaning"... >>



"old cleaning" makes everything A-OK! >>



yeah... right!

I think with almost 400 views on his auction, he pulled it and figured he had better put some sort of disclaimer in the relist. I like that he slipped in a mention of an old cleaning along with nice details.

sinin1

closing in 8 hrs - looking like they will get less than you before eBay/Paypal fees

TwoSides2aCoin

eBay must love it.

VTCoins

<< <i>closing in 8 hrs - looking like they will get less than you before eBay/Paypal fees >>



I can just about guarantee that he will get more than I did. The coin looks significantly better in his photos and putting "$325" on the 2x2 will likely help him too.

Unknown

This content has been removed.

VTCoins

<< <i>

<< <i>

<< <i>closing in 8 hrs - looking like they will get less than you before eBay/Paypal fees >>



I can just about guarantee that he will get more than I did. The coin looks significantly better in his photos and putting "$325" on the 2x2 will likely help him too. >>




I agree this ebay seller deserves the beating for what we all know about the coin but what about you, the one who started throwing stones. >>



Realone, I did not cast any stones at this seller. I found it interesting that he relisted a coin he just bought from me and was curious if he would sell it for more than I did.

And realone ... I am more than happy to present my case regarding the few dealings we have had to the whole forum. I politely requested that we not do business in the future and assumed everything was OK. If you want me to explain myself and post all of the correspondence between us, I am happy to do it.

RedneckHB

<< <i>Just sold this coin the other day to the current eBay seller.

I wonder if he'll get more for it than I did?


Link to my auction that ended on December 27th

Link to new auction >>





Looks like the only one fooled was the seller who put in a lot of time and effort to make $3. Markets "usually" correct and police themselves.

diamondman

so by my calculations: the new seller made about 1.50 to 2.00, a lot of work for nothing.
I know what the new seller did was under handed, but everyone grades different, and of course is not going to get any of my business.

I also know that on any given day , a coin sells for 10.00 or doesn't even get a bid. The next week the same coin sells for 20.00 or more. I know I have bid on 3 of same coin/item thinking I'll be lucky to win one and wowser I win 2 or 3 of them. Then relist the worst of the bunch keeping the best for myself and wowser that item sells for twice what I paid and actually made the other item free or vice versa and made the other item more expensive.

Ebay is a crap shoot at best , and a lot of people flip items , I have remembered the words of the best coin dealer that I have ever met: " We pay a little bit more and sell for a little bit less" and " always leave something on the table for the next guy".

I hope that everything I sell or trade to a customer/collector that they can sell it for more. Makes for repeat customers.

just rambling and can't remember what my point was? so "never mind" just ignore me!

kryptonitecomics

Rolling in the dough after that smooth business transaction lol

Connecticoin

<< <i>Rolling in the dough after that smooth business transaction lol >>



Heh, after ebay fees, probably $5 profit at the most. Small reward for taking those nice, angled pictures.

roadrunner

The coin looks significantly better in his photos and putting "$325" on the 2x2 will likely help him too.

I actually like the original photos from VTCoins better. At least there the coin looks like it could have traces of luster left somewhere on the coin. The new darker and massaged photos make the surfaces look totally dead. While I wouldn't bid on either one...I like the first set better.

roadrunner