Good question- I am not the best person to answer the question for this coin. I seem to recall that one appeared in either a Heritage or Goldberg Auction within the past 2 years that was Mint State- not full red, but still attractive. I see that coin as quite difficult in a high grade, but it is not that high on my priorities.
According to Coincraft, the quantity minted for the 1827 1d is 1,451,520. I tend to contemplate surviving population is the true indication of rarity. I would think the surviving population in MS is quite low-
I can check the Heritage Auction to see the price realized- that is if it was Heritage and not Goldberg
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
I think it is more of a challenge to contemplate the mintage figures for the George I and George II Crowns- as well as the surviving population for each date and try to establish some type of condition census
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
If u r so broke we can sit on a park bench and chat about coins !
Br >>
I collect a little of this and that, just things that strike me as interesting artistically or historically. I have several hammered English coins (nothing all that special), and a few English and French jetons. It's a treat to see such nice coins as yours, a true inspiration.
I am not an expert also on late milled coinage from George II/III. I sold many coins from this period when I started collecting hammered; I just kept the key dates I found difficult to acquire after George I.
The 1827 1d is a strange coin that in all my collecting days I have only seen 2 coins that were dark toned both came from Baldwins and came from Australia. Then one disappeared and like magic from the US a coin appeared to be near BU. Every coin has a 'finger print' and I cannot be sure but it appeared the same coin.
We as collectors need to be careful that there are those that could take a toned coin and clean it. On ther hand there are those that are not disturbed by this proceedure. The coin that went back to the UK encapsulated did not match any natural colour of any coin I have or had in George IV and William period. I would lay strong odds it had been dipped. This funny coloured coin fetched in excess of $16'000-, all I can say 'caveat emptor' for those who do not like cleaned coins.
It is by chat that we learn from each other - this one of the great benefits of the internet offering immediate communication to other collectors.
Coincat any ideas on those that do this type of cleaning in the US and are there fluids that are sold to collectors?
BR
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There is a book by Cope & Rayner (English Milled Coinage, 1973) that shows rareity to grade. At this time they took into account Auction and Lists from1900-1970. Interesting book to look at. I would think although published by Spink it is long out of date.
Have u heard of this publication?
Br
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If the inspiration cathes u, u r welcome to ask any questions that can assist u to enjoy the collecting of British Coins. I am not in anyway a commercial site as u can see therefore I try to guide in a way that helps give a good feeling from the beginning.
email is info@petitioncrown.com or sun-wu-kong@singapore.com
[sun wu kong is famous/infamous in china were i spend a lot of time it means "monkey king", every child in china knows the stories od sun-wu-kong]
BR
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Hi Coinkat an old mans brain works in strange ways - just remembered a book with mintage detailes of milled coins, have you heard of it?
Bressett, Kenneth E. A guide book of English coins, nineteenth and twentieth centuries; a complete, illys. valuation catalogue of modern English coins with official reports of coinage figures for each year & historical notes about each issue. Whitman, Racine, 1962 105421
BR
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Unfortunately, I have not heard of either- unfrtunately, the way these records were kept- or not kept- adds to the problem of determining quantity minted and even more important- surviving population.
I did check the Heritage auction records- I could not find an 1827 1d- must have been Goldbergs
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
Good hunting u have chose a great area with farthings & halfpennies - UNDERVALUED
BR 2010
2010 will be a great year after "Annus horribilis"
Whatever u collect I wish u all have your dreams, we are on opposite sides of the big "pond". We are connected by culture & languge and all enjoy our mutual hobby.
BR SwK
SABENA SESTERTIUS Wife of Hadrian Emperor Hadrian ruled for 21 years from A.D. 117 until A.D. 138 Hadrian married Vibia SABENA SABENA was the Emperor Trajan's grand-niece
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Lovely 1827 Jeff. With your blessing I'll add it to CoinsGB.
The Scottish coins at the Edinburgh museum were a joy to look at and one could only dream of owning similar coins. Unfortunately I only have the one (1602 Sword and sceptre piece). I would like to add more but they are quite expensive and hard to find in decent grades.
<< <i> I have found my 1827 1d. I thought it was lost as I have not looked at it in maybe 20+ years.
The coin came from Baldwins who aquired it privatley enblock with other copper from a North country Dr. whose name I cannot remember tonight.
The coin I was told originated from Australia.
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Dr E A Johnstone from Cheadle? I believe that was Cheadle in south Manchester and not the Staffordshire Cheadle. Baldwins bought his collection in 1973 and he was into copper big time. Are there any tickets with it? As all 1827 pennies were allegedly shipped to Australia, this doesn't shed much light on its past.
Dr E A Johnstone from Cheadle? I believe that was Cheadle in south Manchester and not the Staffordshire Cheadle. Baldwins bought his collection in 1973 and he was into copper big time. Are there any tickets with it? As all 1827 pennies were allegedly shipped to Australia, this doesn't shed much light on its past.
What u write is 100% correct thank u for reminding me of the collection - tickets? next time I visit the "coins" I will check. Most of my quality copper came from a one time purchase from Baldwins. I was served on that occasion by Michael Sharp who was the gentleman who wrapped them up in a sheet of brown paper.
There were a few pieces that were pointed out at the time as being the finest knows specimans, 1827 1d and the 1845 half-penny plus a few others.
Rob how did you know this info? what do u collect? which part of the world are u?
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Possibly Jeff. It seems Colin Cooke may have purchased some of his (Dr Johnstone's) coins from Baldwins if they bought his (Dr Johnstone's) collection in 1973.
This my farthing 1799 gilt Proof farthing P1269.
which I purchased from Rob but its my only coin with a Dr. Johnstone or Colin Cooke provenance.
Are we all drinking from the same pot - the last coins I purchased were all ex. cooke?
br >>
Hi Geoff,
We certainly are. Sadly, this also means you have been my nemesis on more than one occasion. Whilst bemoaning this to Colin Cooke a year or two before he died, he consoled me with the fact that there wasn't anything wrong with my collecting standards - just the depth of my pockets!!
Re your previous questions, I knew Johnstone lived in Manchester from the various references to him in publications. The actual location of Cheadle is mentioned in Peck. Eaglen et al give an example of his coin tickets in their BNJ (2001) article.
I collect British only. I have concentrated on shillings and halfpennies in the past, but am now diversifying my fairly eclectic sundries section and reducing the single denomination quantities.
It is only as I am getting older that I understand how small. I lived in Altringham a few years. There were lean years were the pockets wre not deep I just was not able aquire and those years that I even resorted to sell a block of coins to a dealer in London. As said coins are generally round to keep going round. Of the coins I got from Baldwins I just kept a few which I considered very dificult to replace in the future hence the 1827 1d, 1845 h/p and if memory srves me 1849 farthing. The last auction I also got a few pieces that can be seen over the site www.petitioncrown.com. I aquired a few more coins like the James tin farthing from the Auction and recentley the remaining strip of farthings 7.
Are the shilling milled or hammered? halfpennies did u get any of the Auction that Cooke had?
br
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Rob I also bid and got some Nicholson's halfpennies really small world. Well there always were a finite number of coins, nothing has changed except these days it appears there is even less floating around.
With shillings I require a few difficult pieces like an EdwVI portcullis countermark, you would not have half a doz tucked away, regular Charles I in top grade from the tower mint, Elizabeth I am missing shillings.
Are u friends with the local lads without mentioning names in your area if you are Cheshire +/- area?
br j
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<< <i>Rob I also bid and got some Nicholson's halfpennies really small world. Well there always were a finite number of coins, nothing has changed except these days it appears there is even less floating around.
With shillings I require a few difficult pieces like an EdwVI portcullis countermark, you would not have half a doz tucked away, regular Charles I in top grade from the tower mint, Elizabeth I am missing shillings.
Are u friends with the local lads without mentioning names in your area if you are Cheshire +/- area?
br j >>
I know you did. One in particular I regret with hindsight letting you get away with as I still don't have an example.
Rob time for sleep - got people coming for lunch, they have no interest in my crazy coin collecting, by the way which coin did u kindly let me get? We can carry on chatting another day - maybe u have the odd morsel or scraps for me?
Nice to meet up with u, maybe after hmmmm at least a few years, strange what a world with no borders does to a hobby that did not move in hundreds of years
br j
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I think we would have an enjoyable meeting if u like next time I am in the UK,we will be +/- 30 mins from each other. I understand u r next door to A. Your collecting habits are similar to mine.
br
A collection uploaded on www.petitioncrown.com is a fifty- year love affair with beautiful British coins, medals and Roman brass
I think we would have an enjoyable meeting if u like next time I am in the UK,we will be +/- 30 mins from each other. I understand u r next door to A. Your collecting habits are similar to mine.
Re Irish, I only possess 3 gunmoney coins - 1 x 6d & small and large module shillings. They are reasonable for the issues, but none are special and so I might offload them.
posting a reply to an email as it is a question i am getting asked
The wonders of coin collecting are the secrets of our history, our ability to show to our generation and future generation the course of history how our emperors and monarchs wanted us to remember them.
In the last few years more people have shown an interest in coins that is creating a problem in the quality pieces as these are always finite in numbers.
I have had the same problem over the years, prices are rising therefore we need to stretch ourself, buy less but buy quality.
I will give you a 100% guarantee you will look back in the future and the site of your coins will reduce any pain you had in the purchase price.
As I say to everyone pass on my email to all and I will answer individually each question and even look at material over the internet, the only problem with the internet I can only give a view as I do not have the coin in my hand. If you are a member of a club or have friends pass on the site www.petitioncrown.com as also I have more and more to add and improve the site.
br
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Many years later he/she justifies the investment for retirement. The enjoyment as he reaches maturity does not allow him to sell.
I was talking with a friend and we said as we get older we will be broke buying coins and will sit on the park bench with no money but but still have our old round and sometimes strange shaped coins.
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According to Coincraft, the quantity minted for the 1827 1d is 1,451,520. I tend to contemplate surviving population is the true indication of rarity. I would think the surviving population in MS is quite low-
I can check the Heritage Auction to see the price realized- that is if it was Heritage and not Goldberg
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
<< <i>Hi Filthy Broke what do u collect?
If u r so broke we can sit on a park bench and chat about coins !
Br >>
I collect a little of this and that, just things that strike me as interesting artistically or historically. I have several hammered English coins (nothing all that special), and a few English and French jetons. It's a treat to see such nice coins as yours, a true inspiration.
I am not an expert also on late milled coinage from George II/III. I sold many coins from this period when I started collecting hammered; I just kept the key dates I found difficult to acquire after George I.
The 1827 1d is a strange coin that in all my collecting days I have only seen 2 coins that were dark toned both came from Baldwins and came from Australia. Then one disappeared and like magic from the US a coin appeared to be near BU. Every coin has a 'finger print' and I cannot be sure but it appeared the same coin.
We as collectors need to be careful that there are those that could take a toned coin and clean it. On ther hand there are those that are not disturbed by this proceedure. The coin that went back to the UK encapsulated did not match any natural colour of any coin I have or had in George IV and William period. I would lay strong odds it had been dipped. This funny coloured coin fetched in excess of $16'000-, all I can say 'caveat emptor' for those who do not like cleaned coins.
It is by chat that we learn from each other - this one of the great benefits of the internet offering immediate communication to other collectors.
Coincat any ideas on those that do this type of cleaning in the US and are there fluids that are sold to collectors?
BR
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There is a book by Cope & Rayner (English Milled Coinage, 1973) that shows rareity to grade. At this time they took into account Auction and Lists from1900-1970. Interesting book to look at. I would think although published by Spink it is long out of date.
Have u heard of this publication?
Br
www.petitioncrown.com
If the inspiration cathes u, u r welcome to ask any questions that can assist u to enjoy the collecting of British Coins. I am not in anyway a commercial site as u can see therefore I try to guide in a way that helps give a good feeling from the beginning.
email is info@petitioncrown.com or sun-wu-kong@singapore.com
[sun wu kong is famous/infamous in china were i spend a lot of time it means "monkey king", every child in china knows the stories od sun-wu-kong]
BR
www.petitioncrown.com
Bressett, Kenneth E.
A guide book of English coins, nineteenth and twentieth centuries; a complete, illys. valuation catalogue of modern English coins with official reports of coinage figures for each year & historical notes about each issue.
Whitman, Racine, 1962
105421
BR
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I did check the Heritage auction records- I could not find an 1827 1d- must have been Goldbergs
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
Thanks HAPPY NEW YEAR, I hope u have a great collecting year and good health to all
BR
I have found my 1827 1d. I thought it was lost as I have not looked at it in maybe 20+ years.
The coin came from Baldwins who aquired it privatley enblock with other copper from a North country Dr. whose name I cannot remember tonight.
The coin I was told originated from Australia.
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I love your collection of Scotish
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Hi canadacolornut
Good hunting u have chose a great area with farthings & halfpennies - UNDERVALUED
BR 2010
2010 will be a great year after "Annus horribilis"
Whatever u collect I wish u all have your dreams, we are on opposite sides of the big "pond".
We are connected by culture & languge and all enjoy our mutual hobby.
BR
SwK
SABENA SESTERTIUS Wife of Hadrian Emperor Hadrian ruled for 21 years from A.D. 117 until A.D. 138
Hadrian married Vibia SABENA SABENA was the Emperor Trajan's grand-niece
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The Scottish coins at the Edinburgh museum were a joy to look at and one could only dream of owning similar coins.
Unfortunately I only have the one (1602 Sword and sceptre piece). I would like to add more but they are quite expensive
and hard to find in decent grades.
I have my blessing ref the 1827 1d to add to your www which I enjoy looking through.
For your interest the new Spinks Jig-Saw that is available free with the 2010 Catalougue
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<< <i>
I have found my 1827 1d. I thought it was lost as I have not looked at it in maybe 20+ years.
The coin came from Baldwins who aquired it privatley enblock with other copper from a North country Dr. whose name I cannot remember tonight.
The coin I was told originated from Australia.
www.petitioncrown.com >>
Dr E A Johnstone from Cheadle? I believe that was Cheadle in south Manchester and not the Staffordshire Cheadle. Baldwins bought his collection in 1973 and he was into copper big time. Are there any tickets with it? As all 1827 pennies were allegedly shipped to Australia, this doesn't shed much light on its past.
Dr E A Johnstone from Cheadle? I believe that was Cheadle in south Manchester and not the Staffordshire Cheadle. Baldwins bought his collection in 1973 and he was into copper big time. Are there any tickets with it? As all 1827 pennies were allegedly shipped to Australia, this doesn't shed much light on its past.
What u write is 100% correct thank u for reminding me of the collection - tickets? next time I visit the "coins" I will check. Most of my quality copper came from a one time purchase from Baldwins. I was served on that occasion by Michael Sharp who was the gentleman who wrapped them up in a sheet of brown paper.
There were a few pieces that were pointed out at the time as being the finest knows specimans, 1827 1d and the 1845 half-penny plus a few others.
Rob how did you know this info? what do u collect? which part of the world are u?
Are we all drinking from the same pot - the last coins I purchased were all ex. cooke?
br
<< <i>Rob is that the same Dr Johnstone whom used to own my gilt farthing ( just prior to Colin Cooke) which I purchased from you? >>
It certainly is.
This my farthing 1799 gilt Proof farthing P1269.
which I purchased from Rob but its my only coin with a Dr. Johnstone or Colin Cooke provenance.
I was under the opinion right/wrong the Dr. introduced Cooke to collecting farthings and many pieces came direct from the Dr. to cooke?
j
<< <i>Hi Hus and Rob
Are we all drinking from the same pot - the last coins I purchased were all ex. cooke?
br >>
Hi Geoff,
We certainly are. Sadly, this also means you have been my nemesis on more than one occasion. Whilst bemoaning this to Colin Cooke a year or two before he died, he consoled me with the fact that there wasn't anything wrong with my collecting standards - just the depth of my pockets!!
Re your previous questions, I knew Johnstone lived in Manchester from the various references to him in publications. The actual location of Cheadle is mentioned in Peck. Eaglen et al give an example of his coin tickets in their BNJ (2001) article.
I collect British only. I have concentrated on shillings and halfpennies in the past, but am now diversifying my fairly eclectic sundries section and reducing the single denomination quantities.
I am in Manchester.
Rob
j
That's not for me to say Jeff. Perhaps he'll divulge his identity here or in a PM to you, unless he wants to remain anonymous.
It is only as I am getting older that I understand how small. I lived in Altringham a few years. There were lean years were the pockets wre not deep I just was not able aquire and those years that I even resorted to sell a block of coins to a dealer in London. As said coins are generally round to keep going round. Of the coins I got from Baldwins I just kept a few which I considered very dificult to replace in the future hence the 1827 1d, 1845 h/p and if memory srves me 1849 farthing. The last auction I also got a few pieces that can be seen over the site www.petitioncrown.com. I aquired a few more coins like the James tin farthing from the Auction and recentley the remaining strip of farthings 7.
Are the shilling milled or hammered? halfpennies did u get any of the Auction that Cooke had?
br
j
<< <i>
Are the shilling milled or hammered? halfpennies did u get any of the Auction that Cooke had?
>>
Both milled and hammered, though the best ones in the main are being retained.
I ended up with 30 or so of Nicholson's halfpennies, some acquired subsequent to the sale.
With shillings I require a few difficult pieces like an EdwVI portcullis countermark, you would not have half a doz tucked away, regular Charles I in top grade from the tower mint, Elizabeth I am missing shillings.
Are u friends with the local lads without mentioning names in your area if you are Cheshire +/- area?
br j
<< <i>Rob I also bid and got some Nicholson's halfpennies really small world. Well there always were a finite number of coins, nothing has changed except these days it appears there is even less floating around.
With shillings I require a few difficult pieces like an EdwVI portcullis countermark, you would not have half a doz tucked away, regular Charles I in top grade from the tower mint, Elizabeth I am missing shillings.
Are u friends with the local lads without mentioning names in your area if you are Cheshire +/- area?
br j >>
I know you did. One in particular I regret with hindsight letting you get away with as I still don't have an example.
I need a portcullis countermarked Ed.VI too.
We have some mutual acquaintances in that area.
Nice to meet up with u, maybe after hmmmm at least a few years, strange what a world with no borders does to a hobby that did not move in hundreds of years
br
j
I think we would have an enjoyable meeting if u like next time I am in the UK,we will be +/- 30 mins from each other. I understand u r next door to A. Your collecting habits are similar to mine.
br
<< <i>Hi Rob
I think we would have an enjoyable meeting if u like next time I am in the UK,we will be +/- 30 mins from each other. I understand u r next door to A. Your collecting habits are similar to mine.
br >>
Sounds good.
Do u have any Scotish or Irish for sale
BR
<< <i>Hi Rob
Do u have any Scotish or Irish for sale
BR
Hi Geoff,
I don't have much interest in either.
Re Irish, I only possess 3 gunmoney coins - 1 x 6d & small and large module shillings. They are reasonable for the issues, but none are special and so I might offload them.
I don't have a single Scottish coin.
regards
Rob
br
<< <i>How about early Medallions? anything interesting? >>
Sorry, nothing at all
What about pre-Charles I, I did here by the way u a specific "coooooool" Charles I shilling. Any 1/- or 6d that are great in grade?
br
Thanks for the email. look at the site www.petitioncrown.com and u will see coronation medallions
br
The wonders of coin collecting are the secrets of our history, our ability to show to our generation and future generation the course of history how our emperors and monarchs wanted us to remember them.
In the last few years more people have shown an interest in coins that is creating a problem in the quality pieces as these are always finite in numbers.
I have had the same problem over the years, prices are rising therefore we need to stretch ourself, buy less but buy quality.
I will give you a 100% guarantee you will look back in the future and the site of your coins will reduce any pain you had in the purchase price.
As I say to everyone pass on my email to all and I will answer individually each question and even look at material over the internet, the only problem with the internet I can only give a view as I do not have the coin in my hand. If you are a member of a club or have friends pass on the site www.petitioncrown.com as also I have more and more to add and improve the site.
br
TTT - the time Mr. Cope paid us a visit here on the forum (ID SwK)
This part of the OP resonates with me:
Many years later he/she justifies the investment for retirement. The enjoyment as he reaches maturity does not allow him to sell.
I was talking with a friend and we said as we get older we will be broke buying coins and will sit on the park bench with no money but but still have our old round and sometimes strange shaped coins.
Absolutely true, pruebas - something my better half reminds me about on occasion!
Just don't retire. Problem solved.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
That's probably the plan for me.