Christmas Present Standing Liberty Quarter - Guess the Grade - Revealed

MarkInDavis · December 24, 2009 3:19PM

I bought this coin for my dad for Christmas. (It is always fun buying coins as gifts!) SLQ's are not my series, so grading it is difficult for me.

This 1923-s completes my dad's circulated set. Well, he doesn't have a 1916 or the overdate but those will probably always be out of reach.

It is in a PCGS slab (all his others are raw), but I wouldn't feel real comfortable buying this key date raw.
I think it is undergraded, but then I bought the coin.
I took these photos before I shipped it out a couple weeks ago.

Please Guess the Grade and post your comments on the coin.

Edit - Grade Revealed:
Well I am happy to say that most of you agree with me. PCGS gave this one a G04. The date is very weak but the all important 3 is easily viewed. At the same show that I purchased this one I saw two others - both PCGS VF25 (and $995 each). Each of those had dates in which part to most of the 1,9, and 2 were visible, but I needed a loupe to make out the 3 clearly. Until last week, there was a 1923-s in the online photo grading set here that was VF20 or 25 and had a very weak date. Now all the coins in the grading set are post-1925. Perhaps these were graded different in the past?
I'm not saying that this coin would grade any different if resubmitted, but I will happily buy all the G04 23-s SLQ's I find that look like this - especially at the price I paid.

The first to guess right was BillJones. Congratulations you win, well, nothing - except for some personal satisfaction and the respect of the forum. Thanks to all who played.

cullenbryant · December 24, 2009 3:25PM

Fine

GoldenEyeNumismatics · December 24, 2009 3:28PM

G-6

The pre-1925 pieces often appear undergraded, because the TPGs will knock them heavily if the date is weak, like it is on yours.

ChrisRx · December 24, 2009 3:50PM

<< <i>G-6

The pre-1925 pieces often appear undergraded, because the TPGs will knock them heavily if the date is weak, like it is on yours. >>

I approve this message.

Bochiman · December 24, 2009 4:01PM

I'm not going to guess the grade as I don't know the series well, but as for completing the set minus the overdate and 1916, I think that is

Overdates, imho, are very cool but not required to complete a set (again, imho).
Then, there are some coins that are, and likely should be to anyone who is sane and not superrich, out of bounds. The 1916 SLQ is one of these.

So, it is cool that your dad has completed the circ set!

for helping him

rld14 · December 24, 2009 4:05PM

<< <i>

<< <i>G-6

The pre-1925 pieces often appear undergraded, because the TPGs will knock them heavily if the date is weak, like it is on yours. >>

I approve this message. >>

Bingo! It's technically a 15 to a 20, but the weakness of the date may very well have hammered it down to a G or VG.

See, I can drink 17 beers and still grade SLQs, I'm that good

DennisH · December 24, 2009 4:22PM

The truth is that I have no clue (and no experience with this beautiful series). I notice that the rim isn't complete above the end of STATES, so if this was a Morgan I'd call it a Good-06. The date bothers me, but I know that's the result of the design. There's an awful lot of detail everywhere else so...

VG08.
Final answer.

thisnamztaken · December 24, 2009 7:27PM

G06 - shot at VG8.

Halfhunter06 · December 24, 2009 11:56PM

g6

BillJones · December 25, 2009 12:08AM

Good-4 due to the weakness in the date, but I know that is common on the pre-1925 dates often have weak dates.

rec78 · December 25, 2009 1:05AM

F-15 due to date weakness

I think they take weak dateness into consideration on this particular issue.

JMO-Bob

PawPaul · December 25, 2009 1:16AM

That be a PCGS VG 8

wheatguy · December 25, 2009 1:46AM

I'll say F-12. Overall detail is in the VF range, but the date definitely holds it back.

Shamika · December 25, 2009 1:56AM

VG8

lope208 · December 25, 2009 4:41AM

If they were grading like most other series, it'd be an AG3 wouldn't it?

I don't know what they do with the dates on SLQ's...but there appears to be a good bit of detail left on the rest of the coin. Looks nice for a circ set

diamondman · December 25, 2009 5:22AM

VG 10 maybe F12

Patches · December 25, 2009 5:54AM

VG-08 my guess

kaz · December 25, 2009 8:14AM

I'll go with G-6. date is very worn, and on the reverse the rim is worn to the top of the legend in at least one spot. I would not be surprised, however, if it passed as a VG8.

mojorizn · December 25, 2009 8:25AM

The band of cloth should be outlined to the shield on a VG. Feather definition lacking on the reverse. G6 in my opinion. Still not a bad coin, as the strike on the shield and head doesn't really match with the

weakness on the date and centers.

Mojo

PawPaul · December 25, 2009 10:00AM

....i believe PCGS on this date and others (1921 for example) in the lower grades , grade solely on how much of the date is visible .

So it's possible they graded it AG3

Walkerguy21D · December 25, 2009 12:37PM

Interesting thread, and a tough guess......I think the slab says G6, and you're thinking it should be at least a VG, based on the detail present (other than the date).

itsnotjustme · December 25, 2009 1:40PM

I'll go F15.

SamByrd · December 25, 2009 1:50PM

My opinion is a VG8 I do think its a fine 12 today though even in PCGS plastic.

morgandollar1878 · December 25, 2009 2:44PM

Date is very weak. I say Good 4.

Numismanic · December 25, 2009 5:49PM

VG8

SmallTownCoins · December 25, 2009 11:29PM

I have that coins identical twin in a new ANACS slab and it is a VG8.... so thats my guess...

MarkInDavis · December 26, 2009 1:58AM

Grade revealed in original post. Thanks to all who played.

TomB · December 26, 2009 2:03AM

I held off on a grade guess for this thread because of the sometimes odd grading that these coins receive. The 1917-1924 SLQs with chain mail have a raised date and this wears off quite quickly. A coin might otherwise appear to be VF, but have little date remaining. My first impression was that it would grade within the AG3-G6 range, however I thought this too broad a range to place a comment within the thread. Overall, the coin looks terrific for the grade and would be a welcome addition to nearly any SLQ collection. The true difficulty in these mid-dates is to find slightly higher graded coins with full dates. A 1923-S with such a full date is a rare bird, indeed.

rld14 · December 26, 2009 2:20AM

<< <i>I held off on a grade guess for this thread because of the sometimes odd grading that these coins receive. The 1917-1924 SLQs with chain mail have a raised date and this wears off quite quickly. A coin might otherwise appear to be VF, but have little date remaining. My first impression was that it would grade within the AG3-G6 range, however I thought this too broad a range to place a comment within the thread. Overall, the coin looks terrific for the grade and would be a welcome addition to nearly any SLQ collection. The true difficulty in these mid-dates is to find slightly higher graded coins with full dates. A 1923-S with such a full date is a rare bird, indeed. >>

Yup. So is a 1921. I have an F12 1921 with a weak date, SeaEagleCoins had a nice F12 with a STRONG date that I should have traded up for,... stupid me. It had a stronger date than my Uncirculated 1921.

With a lot of these coins it seems like the date strike seems to depend on which die was used. I have been tracking certain dates by die pairing, and it's interesting how certain die pairs are the ones that produce FHs and certain dies produce dished heads.

DimeAdozen · December 28, 2009 10:35PM

Nice coins but I am not that good in guessing the grades though...

Christmas Present Standing Liberty Quarter - Guess the Grade - Revealed

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