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NGC Star (*) Designation

When did NGC begin designating: star (*) for exceptional eye appeal?
Do you feel it's worth a crap?
I'm not an NGC fan but would like to know.
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Many of the coins I own have the star, and that's fine, but many others don't, and some are far nicer than those that do have the star.
I wonder if PCGS will follow suit for PQ coins.
Seems like a gimmick to me but if it works???
Still wondering when this started though?
<< <i>I wonder if PCGS will follow suit for PQ coins.
Seems like a gimmick to me but if it works???
Still wondering when this started though? >>
NGC Star Designation
Early commems started being eligible for stars in April of 2002. MJ
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That half dime deserves a star regardless of it's numeric grade!
<< <i>Look at the Battle Creek Collection, they put a star on every coin when most were not even worthy of it. >>
HR, with all due respect, know the facts before you state an opinion. There were 9,000 Morgans submitted to NGC from the BC bags. Of these nine thousand just over 1,400 got the star. Therefore the VAST majority did not get the star.
I will be the first to agree that many that did get the star did NOT deserve the star. IMO roughly 600 of these ~1,400 should have in NO way qualified for the star, ~300 were UNQUESTIONABLY star worthy, and another ~500 were possibly/possibly not star worthy.
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<< <i>When did NGC begin designating: star (*) for exceptional eye appeal?
Do you feel it's worth a crap?
I'm not an NGC fan but would like to know. >>
It sounds like you have already made up your mind.
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Me?
I'm not an NGC fan.................
The name is LEE!
<< <i>With regards to that 1837 H10c that i posted, it is the nicest cbhd eyeappeal wise for the entire year imho, it also happens to be the highest graded 1837, at ms67. Whatever the grade I have never seen a nicer cbhd, and since it happens to ne in a ngc holder i think it definitely deserves a star. >>
Awesome coin and major clashing on it. I think I am going to start collecting these next year. But there appear to be some marks on it no? Do you think its deserving of a 67? Definetly deserving of the star either way.
Because their pops are so saturated with overgraded coins, that's why they came up with this crap, to create some kind of market. First the W to note white coins and that didn't last very long and now we have the star, big whoppy-doo! Just like all the coins they grade, you need to really see the coin before buying them.
I've been looking at their coins for almost 20 years and I have only one coin in their slab in my main set, 2-3 stragglers and 4-5 proofs And they all sit in one of those red 2x2 cardboard boxes longways.
Nothing to get excited about from this collector.
I remember a dealer getting excited about a colorful 1950-D that was certified by NGC as a MS67 5 step nickel. He had a big price on that coin and after viewing it, I couldn't say a word about it. It lacked the strike and luster to be graded MS67, I sure as heck wasn't interested in it and he knew it.
Leo
edited; didn't like the word straddlers
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<< <i>Reading all of these posts I think anyone would conclude that the Star designation is meaningless. Eye appeal by definition is subjective ( grading is also to a certain extent but has aspects of objectivity) so the star means nothing. If you look at a lot of NGC coins and see what is starred and what isnt they may as well throw darts to determine which coins get it and which dont. >>
It's not quite that bad, but I agree they tend to be all over the place sometimes, like their grading in general. A shame really, because there are some really great coins accurately graded in NGC holders that sometimes get passed over simply because they reside in an NGC slab.
As a coin buyer....I know what I like star or no star.....I have owned coins that were no brainer stars that didn't get the designation and I have had coins graded that stared and I was like WTF? So yes by nature the star and the whole grading process is subjective but I personally like the star designation.
<< <i>Reading all of these posts I think anyone would conclude that the Star designation is meaningless. Eye appeal by definition is subjective ( grading is also to a certain extent but has aspects of objectivity) so the star means nothing. If you look at a lot of NGC coins and see what is starred and what isnt they may as well throw darts to determine which coins get it and which dont. >>
I guess I am not anyone then. I only own one coin with the designation. To me it means the graders at NGC think the coin has attributes better (in my case a 68) then a regular 68. Of course many many people here who don't grade coins for a living and have never taken any grading courses can grade much better than NGC or PCGS for that matter so to them it would be meaningless.
If I buy your argument that eye appeal is just subjective ( which I believe is rather naive) then at least it will have some added value at resale time to all of us who don't measure as well as professional graders at a reputable service. As far as throwing darts my own experience is that the vast majority of times I have seen a * coin I can see why.
But then again I admit to being a so so grader so after 50+ years of collecting I still need a crutch once in awhile and am not so sure of myself that I won't admit that.
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<< <i>I wonder if PCGS will follow suit for PQ coins.
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PR70DCAM * CAC (Red) - Now that'sa gonna costya!
Some I agree with some I don't.
Those that are stars with the pop/bang demand multiple prices often.
I have one that graded a star. Great satisfaction when you know the grader's REALLY liked your coin.
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I'm even considering crossing it because I'm a PCGS Set Registry guy...
So, I guess the star doesn't mean a whole lot to me. Plus, those damn prongs!
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<< <i>Do you feel it's worth a crap? >>
Sure, why not
<< <i>search for ngc star >>
Gave me an error
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
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<< <i>So, I guess the star doesn't mean a whole lot to me. Plus, those damn prongs! >>
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Agree 100%. The slabs suck and the Stars? They seem to sell just not to me.
I had two STAR* Franklins and liked them both
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I'm not unhappy and have my own theory as to why it didn't ucam. It's nicer than the image.
Oops, that's the auction image. JUST got the coin back from NGC today and haven't had a chance to image the coin yet.
I do believe this specimen will have no trouble getting a CAC sticker
I also think this coin is a really good deal in comparison to the 67 Ucam that sold for near 50 G's.
Coin's for sale/trade.
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<< <i>I've seen a lot of their toned coins, many with and many without. I have come to the decision that it is not worth a premium sight-unseen, and sight-seen, I can judge for myself. Their original standards were very nice and laudable--no fingerprints, the coins had to have exceptional eye appeal, etc. More recently, I've seen lots of ho-hum toned coins that are nice, but to me not worth much, if any premium. In addition, I've seen coins with light prints that can be very distracting. A great example would be the non-monster Battle Creek coins that have just slivers of color, and in my opinion don't merit the star.
Many of the coins I own have the star, and that's fine, but many others don't, and some are far nicer than those that do have the star. >>
I agree 100% with you. I just don't see a need for this designation. Seen some which should have gotten a star but didn't and seen some with stars that simply shouldn't have had it on the slab.
<< <i>I bought this proof gold quarter eagle and really thought it would ucam. Instead it received the star from NGC.
I'm not unhappy and have my own theory as to why it didn't ucam. It's nicer than the image.
Oops, that's the auction image. JUST got the coin back from NGC today and haven't had a chance to image the coin yet.
I do believe this specimen will have no trouble getting a CAC sticker
I also think this coin is a really good deal in comparison to the 67 Ucam that sold for near 50 G's. >>
Tom, that's a great looking coin. Based on the images, it looks to me as if it missed the ultra cameo designation because the obverse portrait isn't heavily enough frosted.
<< <i>Look at the Battle Creek Collection, they put a star on every coin when most were not even worthy of it. >>
A half dozen of my commems are so designated, obviously I think they are nice or they wouldn't be in my collection. However I agree about the Battle Creek, many that don't seem to have that much fizzazz yet they sport the * label.
<< <i>The star on the NGC label brings a lot of extra money in some series. I have yet to own one, maybe because I collect the Bust Series. >>
this would star no doubt in my mind if i crossed it to NGC
<< <i>.......jeezzes ..........awesome Bust Half ......... >>