1950-Present MS Set Comments
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Looks like a state quarter set more than anything. Building a type set, I don't want to half to buy 1 of each state quarter.
Where is the Sac dollar?
Where did all the commems & bullion go?
What about the SMS coin?
Where is the Sac dollar?
Where did all the commems & bullion go?
What about the SMS coin?
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I spent alot of money on those coins you mentioned Brian and I totally
aggree with you. They will ruin this set if they change it.
09/07/2006
PCGS already has several MS type sets none of which require a slew of state quarters as different "types" of quarters.
Now, PCGS comes along and develops a new type set that will include every "type" of quarter as part of the set.
Question: If this set "isn't your cup of tea" then what is the big deal? You have several other options already that have been around for some time. Simply, don't participate in this particular type set. Couldn't be any easier than that-right?
Now, let me state up front that I provided absolutely -0- advice to PCGS on the concept of a new type set like this (I probably wouldn't have thought it would fly even if I had thought of it!!). But, I think it is a great idea. Every state quarter is a different "type" of coin if you think about it. It would even be safe to say that state quarters are probably collected by more people than any coin "types" on earth. Well done PCGS! And since I buy and sell many state quarters I personally like it even more than anyone who "hates" them - no need to point that out to me.
The new sets take the current MS type sets and are replacing them with these freshly weighted sets. If you want to collect a Modern type set, you have to, at the minimum, buy a full set of 1999 state quarters, or the whole lot, depending on whether you start in 1900 or 1950.
Keith
dan
True, each quarter is its own type, but the set will eventually have 50 quarters and about 20 other pieces.
Keith
edit to add irony...it was a david hall auction
My understanding is that the new sets replace the old. New sets here.
danarchy,
Unless people give David Hall a piece of their mind, most likely the platinum piece does you no good.
Keith
Hello.
I wanted to let you know, I bid on this coin strictly to add to my 1959-present proof registry set. Thanks for dropping it from the set.
Then there are the beefs associated withe the 1900-present set changes. See the other thread I started.
I am no longer active in the 1959 sets, but I think that the major issue is that when the sets were set up over the summer, a lot of people bought those bullion pieces, SMS coins, Accented Hair Kennedy and the like. Now, they have no need for them in the program. If PCGS were to simply add the three or four additional coins to expand the set to 1950 and not add an entire state quarter collection, I think that this set would have less resistance.
Keith
Do you think that PCGS will keep the current Modern Type Coin Set, Circulation Strikes (1959-Present) and add a 1950 - Present Circulation Strikes set also? If they do, that would plese me and most people I think, but I can't see them doing this. Why don't you ask PCGS to do just that? Do you know how to start a forum poll so we can vote on it? I hope your suggestion flies with PCGS
Dennis
PCGS started off the idea of pick and choose. So far, we got our choice of specific bullion denomination, SMS coin, gold commem, silver commem, half dollar commem. Letting the collector choose their favorite state quarter would make sense as well.
Otherwise, theoretically, shouldn't we require a complete modern commem set in there as well?
Keith
Concur with Keith that my understanding is these will replace the current type sets.
What we were all waiting for was the weighted type set. I've seen very little comments on people not liking the weights. It's the change to the composition that has us going. I have a whole bunch of coins that I went and purchased specifically to fill spots in these sets, worked hard to get in the top 5, only to have PCGS tell me they wouldn't pedigree until early 2002. Here it is, early 2002, I'm back in the top 5 on the modern MS type set, I still can't pedigree, and they plan to change the set and remove 11 of the 29 coins I have, and add 18 coins (14 state quarters, 1950-58 wheat cent, and silver Roosie/ Washington/Franklin) many of which I don't have. On the 1900 set, I've been working to fill my remaining vacancies, such as the MS64 No Motto Saint. Now all the gold is removed to another set. The full set needs a high releif, the lesser set doesn't need the coin I just bought.
While I can re-sell much of what I bought, I'm not thrilled with devoting my time to recouping my purchase price on coins I already spent a lot of time finding.
Maybe I can buy all those new coins I need, get in the top 5, and have them change the rules again, and still not let me pedigree! Why did I bother?
Count me out if PCGS goes this route!
Otherwise, theoretically, shouldn't we require a complete modern commem set in there as well?
agreed
Don't forget the platinums went through a series of different reverses... need all those too!
I guess we would have to include the Type I, Type II and Type III 1972 Ike Dollars as Types in the 1959 - Present. We would also have to include every Commem. Half Dollar, Commem Dollar, $5 Commem Gold and $10Commem Gold since the current set has just a representative TYPE Commem Half, Dollar, $5 Gold and $10 Gold. Oh and I almost forgot, every denomination of US Gold Eagle and US Platinium Eagle.They are changing the rules in the middle of the game. It is one thing to add weights but adding and deleting so many coins is going too far
Platinum Statue of Liberty are part of the current set:
Statue of Liberty Platinum-Any Denomination (1986-Present)
I guess we would have to include the Type I, Type II and Type III 1972 Ike Dollars as Types in the 1959 - Present. We would also have to include every Commem. Half Dollar, Commem Dollar, $5 Commem Gold and $10Commem Gold since the current set has just a representative TYPE Commem Half, Dollar, $5 Gold and $10 Gold. Oh and I almost forgot, every denomination of US Gold Eagle and US Platinium Eagle.They are changing the rules in the middle of the game. It is one thing to add weights but adding and deleting so many coins is going too far
Dennis: No - to all your issues. You will only "have to" do what PCGS tells you to do
Besides, having just "dealt out" your entire Silver $1 Commem collection MR. COLLECTOR/DEALER, wouldn't that be a "bummer" to have to buy them all back!!
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Please see my other thread on the other topic about this.
Im sure DH got stuck w/ his pants down w/ a TON of SQ. This is the "perfect" way for him to recoup some $$$.....
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On the nose... that's part of the problem. We bought them to complete our sets, now they don't include them in the new sets. Tug on the rope and jerk me around some more!
If they kept the 59-present set, I don't think that there would be much interest in the 1950 set.
Keith
If the changes come down to what I thought they were ment to be weighting, nada problem! If the changes are what they seem to be now, to me a problem.
So is this why I was unable to post my set today,btw???59-PROOF?
i know I am on a MS thread, same problem with the proof set
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Again, I am surprised to hear that the 1950 set as presently constituted is being proposed as a Substitute for the 1959 to date set. IMHO, that would be very unfair for the current 1959 to date type set holders. Wondercoin.
Danarchy: Again, to me that was a "given". But, it appears collectors did want changes to that 1959 to date set as well?? Wondercoin.
I too feel your pain. Over the last 30 days, I have systematically upgraded all my gold from AU-58 to pieces grading MS-62 to 65. The gold pieces have been relegated to their own set now and don't help my core set in 1900-present.
It is a shame that PCGS has chosen to no longer recognize 1/3 of the initial sets as envisioned. If enough people send well thought out, non-emotional e-mails to David Hall, my gut feeling is that the problem will be addressed.
Keith
mitch whole heartly agreed!
so you goona do something about it
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The understanding I have (and could well be wrong
The shrinking of the 1900-set was to make the 1900-1964 portion match the 1792-1964 set. The 1900-1964 portion of the 1900-set required three or four coins that the Complete set did not.
Keith
Everyone has their favorites but the American Eagles happen to be mine.
Larry
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09/07/2006
Mr Hall,
Hi, Brian Jordan here. I'm the proud owner of multiple PCGS registry sets, incluing the #5 Modern MS Type Set, #11 1900-Present Set, #10 Modern PR Set, #27 MS Ike's, and more.
I just viewed the proposed composition and weights for the new type sets, and I'm puzzled. I don't understand the reasoning for the extensive composition changes. For example, I've worked hard to be in the top five on the current MS Type set, submitting many of the coins to PCGS myself. I've been unable to Pedigree my set, pending the proposed changes. Now in the changes I see 11 of the 29 coins previously in the set are removed, and 18 new coins are added. I've spent good money on the removed coins, and don't intend to sell them to buy the 18 new coins. Besides, if I wanted a state quarter type set, I'd have one!
A similar case can be made for the proof set, and the 20th Century set. Removing the gold was also not what we wanted.
Recommend you go back to weighting the sets you had. If these sets go foward, you will be alianating many of your most loyal customers.
Sincerely,
Brian Jordan
So has anyone actually got an email back from Mr. Hall yet?
09/07/2006
Don't forget that nice logical arguments are going to do more good than arguments filled with emotion or accusations. PCGS will listen. Remember Spooly and the mandatory varieties. You just have to e-mail your dissatisfaction.
Keith