Draped Bust quarters from my collection
rhedden
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I have been photographing my Bust quarters this week, and thought I'd share the pics. Here are the 1796 to 1807 coins. All of these were purchased as a group from an old collection. The 1796 is just an AG, but at least's it's a B-1 (the better of the two varieties for the year). The 1804 B-1 is obviously the star of the bunch. It's got everything going for it, except two small reverse rim chips. I think it would grade VG10 if sent to PCGS, though it has details of F12. The 1805 B-3 has been polished at some point, so I doubt many on this forum would choose it for their own set; but it came to me at a very favorable price. The 1806/5 B-1 was dipped at one time, but is relatively problem-free. The 1806 B-2 was also dipped long ago, and there are two or three very light hairlines scratches under the toning; but it has retoned in russet and gunmetal blue. This coin is actually quite attractive in person, though my picture makes it look like a real turd. The 1807 is original, and suffers only from a small obverse dig at 12:00 that would not stop it from holdering. Hope you liked seeing these, and please post any pictures of coins from this series that you'd like to add to the thread.
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I do like the looks of the 1796 and 1804, and would be happy to acquire each for my collection (for which I am lacking both).
I will see if I can dig up some images of my 1805 or 1807 DBQ's later; my 1806 and 1806/5 aren't too attractive.
1796 B-1 Low 6
1804 B-1 Low 4
1805 B-3
1806 B-1 1806/5
1806 B-2
1807 B-1
CoinJunkie
1805 B-4
QuarterCollector
1804 B-2 High 4
1805 B-3
1806 B-1 1806/5
1806 B-9
1807 B-1
Personally I would trade your 1805 for QuarterCollector's 1804...
QN
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Thanks FM!
B-4
A very interesting die marriage for a multitude of reasons...
This exact marriage of dies was brought back together in 1806 to create the 1806/5 B-1 die marriage. Of course that is after the obverse die was reheated, a 6 was punched over the existing 5, and then it was re-annealed and hardened. This is one of only a few examples of the reuse of a previous years obverse die that actually struck coins with the earlier date, after being over-dated to the next years date. The only one found in the bust Quarter series.
The reverse die is unique in its own way as well…there is strong evidence that this die was engraved by someone other than Chief Engraver Robert Scot, the only engraver employed by the mint from 1796 - 1807. My theory is that this die was actually engraved by John Reich prior to his officially being hired as the Mint’s assistant engraver in April of 1807. Scot had Reich working on other items for his personal engraving business at the time. In fact, he was employed in a sub-contracting position under Scot as early as the spring of 1801. The Mint had him working in the medal dept. at the same time as well.
The reverse dentil count is more than twenty dentils higher than every other reverse working die from the beginning of the Bust Quarter series in 1796 to the end of the Draped Bust type in 1807. Coupled with this, the placement of the peripheral elements such as the denomination and the legend is unlike any other Heraldic Eagle reverse die as well. It also was the only reverse die to utilize a new, much larger star punch, indicating that it was more than likely the last die created in 1805. The work is not sloppily or poorly done as if an apprentice was involved and shows a trained hand.
This is a nice example of the B-4 and I would be happy to take it off your hands any time you want sell!
QN
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Sorry, I was busy embellishing my response!
QN
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And one of my favorite bits of Exonumia... (anyone care to attribute it?)
QN
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I yearn for a 1796 and 1804, as well as the 1806 B-10, but do manage to have all of the major 1805 varieties
Browning-1:
Browning-2:
Browning-3:
Browning-4:
Browning-5
that last one's Genuine but I think the first B5 of the thread
My upgraded B-4
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First one looks like a B-2, second one looks like a B-1.
1804 B-1
1805 B-3
1805 B-4
1806 B-1
1806 B-5 EX-Eliasberg
1806 B-7
1806 B-9 EDS
1806 B-10 (just for Baley)
1807 B-2
Sorry...that is all I have in my photobucket account for now.
QN
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1796 quarter, Browning 2, PCGS VF-25
1807 quarter, Browning 2, NGC AU-55. Perhays this was in the Brand Collection. It has a P-L surface on the reverse in the protected areas.
I have a really worn 1806/5, but here is my 1806 (Used a flatbed scanner so looks flat - hense the word FLATbed scanner)
If I ever finish my Seated dimes this will be the next set I put together.
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- Jim
<< <i>PCGS F12 Browning 4
I like this one!
JH
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You quarter is an 1807 Browning 2 a.k.a. "the large date." It is the scarcer of the two 1807 varieties. It is the same variety as my 1807 which I posted earlier.
<< <i>Love all these quarters! Especially the '96 and '04s! Here's my one and only DBQ...let's see how quickly QN can attribute it.
B-4
A very interesting die marriage for a multitude of reasons...
This exact marriage of dies was brought back together in 1806 to create the 1806/5 B-1 die marriage. Of course that is after the obverse die was reheated, a 6 was punched over the existing 5, and then it was re-annealed and hardened. This is one of only a few examples of the reuse of a previous years obverse die that actually struck coins with the earlier date, after being over-dated to the next years date. The only one found in the bust Quarter series.
The reverse die is unique in its own way as well…there is strong evidence that this die was engraved by someone other than Chief Engraver Robert Scot, the only engraver employed by the mint from 1796 - 1807. My theory is that this die was actually engraved by John Reich prior to his officially being hired as the Mint’s assistant engraver in April of 1807. Scot had Reich working on other items for his personal engraving business at the time. In fact, he was employed in a sub-contracting position under Scot as early as the spring of 1801. The Mint had him working in the medal dept. at the same time as well.
The reverse dentil count is more than twenty dentils higher than every other reverse working die from the beginning of the Bust Quarter series in 1796 to the end of the Draped Bust type in 1807. Coupled with this, the placement of the peripheral elements such as the denomination and the legend is unlike any other Heraldic Eagle reverse die as well. It also was the only reverse die to utilize a new, much larger star punch, indicating that it was more than likely the last die created in 1805. The work is not sloppily or poorly done as if an apprentice was involved and shows a trained hand.
This is a nice example of the B-4 and I would be happy to take it off your hands any time you want sell! >>
Wow, thanks for all that info QN! And to think, I bought this piece just because I liked the strike...
<< <i>Hi Thisnamztaken,
You quarter is an 1807 Browning 2 a.k.a. "the large date." It is the scarcer of the two 1807 varieties. It is the same variety as my 1807 which I posted earlier. >>
Actually it is a B-1, and not the same as Bill's, his is a B-2.
The easiest place to see the difference is on the reverse. On the B-1, UNITED is very close to 25, on the B-2 they are far apart.
Also on the obverse, in the date, the shape of the 8 is different for each. The B-1 has a larger 8 with more open loops, where the B-2 has a smaller 8 with more closed loops.
The descriptors I listed in my book are Block 8 (B-1) and Fancy 8 (B-2).
QN
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<< <i>Hi Thisnamztaken,
You quarter is an 1807 Browning 2 a.k.a. "the large date." It is the scarcer of the two 1807 varieties. It is the same variety as my 1807 which I posted earlier. >>
Actually it is a B-1, and not the same as Bill's, his is a B-2.
The easiest place to see the difference is on the reverse. On the B-1, UNITED is very close to 25, on the B-2 they are far apart.
Also on the obverse, in the date, the shape of the 8 is different for each. The B-1 has a larger 8 with more open loops, where the B-2 has a smaller 8 with more closed loops.
The descriptors I listed in my book are Block 8 (B-1) and Fancy 8 (B-2).
QN >>
Thanks Quarternut, and Bill.
Yep, you're correct, QN! Mine has both of those diagnostics you mentioned. Mine is in a ANACS G 6 slab that also says B-1 on it, so I guess I can now believe ANACS' evaluation.
I also notice that on my coin, the upper left serif on the "1" in the date is completely there and there is also a slight gap between that upper left serif and her bottom curl, but on Bill's coin the top of the "1" appears to actually touch her curl, right? Also, on Bill's, the lower left serif on the "1" is missing while mine is complete.
- Jim
Correct. The 1 8 & 0 punches are different for each obverse die. Also, the letter punches in LIBERTY are different for each die as well.
QN
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