A question on weights.
JamesMurray
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Good evening , im quite perplexed with my small collection of gold and hope that somebody can clear this query up for me.As i understand there are some 31.5 or so grams in one troy ounce , therefore 1/10th of an ounce should weight 3.1gms.
Why is it in your valued opinion that all my AGE 1/10ths and also Canadian maple 1/10ths weigh 3.5 gms ? I thought perhaps my scale was not calibrated but when i put 1 troy ounce of Silver on it the weight is 31.5gms as it should be.
All my AGE's came from different sources and the maples still in mint sealed flip thing.Its a considerable difference in weight considering its gold , any thoughts or facts much appreciated.
Why is it in your valued opinion that all my AGE 1/10ths and also Canadian maple 1/10ths weigh 3.5 gms ? I thought perhaps my scale was not calibrated but when i put 1 troy ounce of Silver on it the weight is 31.5gms as it should be.
All my AGE's came from different sources and the maples still in mint sealed flip thing.Its a considerable difference in weight considering its gold , any thoughts or facts much appreciated.
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There are other alloys in there, I believe the coins are 22K and the net wieght in 24k (.999) is the 3.1.......
The AGE's are 22k and maples 24k , alloys shouldnt make a difference in overall weight i wouldnt have thought ? From what i can find the 1/10ths should be weighing in at 3.1gms , yet every one of mine is 3.5gms , the maples too.
Its not the scale as it weighs the oz correctly , its unlikely i have 6 fakes all from different sources and some still in mint capsule (maples).
Its got me confused for sure.
<< <i>I would imagine its your scale. Most will list an accuracy rating. What does your's show? Sometimes the accuracy of a scale is off more on smaller weights than larger which is why the oz is coming up correct but the 1/10 oz isn't. >>
Im thinking you are right AgBlox , which isnt good..ill upgrade my scale pronto.Thanks everybody.
<< <i>Hi guys , thanks for the replys , my scale reads 1 troy ounce of silver at 31 gms which is correct , what im asking is if 1 troy ounce os 31gms , then why is 1/10th ounce weighing in at 3.5gms ?
The AGE's are 22k and maples 24k , alloys shouldnt make a difference in overall weight i wouldnt have thought ? From what i can find the 1/10ths should be weighing in at 3.1gms , yet every one of mine is 3.5gms , the maples too.
Its not the scale as it weighs the oz correctly , its unlikely i have 6 fakes all from different sources and some still in mint capsule (maples).
Its got me confused for sure. >>
The eagles should weigh out at 3.4 grams (22kt gold). The maples should read at exactly 3.1 grams, but not if in the PVC flips.
"alloys shouldnt make a difference in overall weight i wouldnt have thought ?"
Of course it does!!! Since the maple and eagle each contain exactly 3.1 grams of pure gold, and the eagle is alloyed, then the eagle MUST be heavier "overall" than the maple since it contains a small amount of silver as an alloy.
Im totally lost on it as i weighted a swiss 1gm gold and it = 1gm precisely as it should , which throws me as it doesnt seem so precise with other recoqnised weights.I also weighed a quarter eagle and it was precisely correct , same with a half sovereign , spot on.
Could i maybe ask if anybody has one of these 1/10ths and a scale to weigh it and see if the eagle is actually heavier than 3.1gms , cheers guys
Please do not tell me I have chinese fakes!
Eagle 1/10: 3.40g
Maple 1/10: 3.13g
Platinum 1/10: 3.16g (I was there and took this too!)
Eagle 1/4: 8.48
Maple 1/4: 7.77
Hope this helps.
edited to add: here you can find the weight the Eagles should be.
Here is a link to the U.S. Mint website brochure for Gold American Eagles.
U.S. Mint
1/10 oz GAE have a gross weight of 3.4 grams.
I was expecting to see 3.1 , thanks again everyone , ill sleep a lot easier now
<< <i>Much appreciated RedHerring , thank you.So in actual fact the scale isnt that wonky , i was getting a reading of 3.4 - 3.5 .
I was expecting to see 3.1 , thanks again everyone , ill sleep a lot easier now
I guess you didnt read my post where I told you what a 1/10th eagle weighs.
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<< <i>Much appreciated RedHerring , thank you.So in actual fact the scale isnt that wonky , i was getting a reading of 3.4 - 3.5 .
I was expecting to see 3.1 , thanks again everyone , ill sleep a lot easier now
I guess you didnt read my post where I told you what a 1/10th eagle weighs.
I guess he didn't read mine either!
Its perfectly clear now , what i dont understand completely is why is it i can regularly buy 1/10th maples cheaper than AGE's 1/10ths when the maple is 24k as opposed to 22k.
<< <i>I apologise Gentlemen , i was trying to do too many things at once , i do appreciate all your replys.I just couldnt get my head around it , 1/10th being 3.1 gms and yet its 3.4gms.
Its perfectly clear now , what i dont understand completely is why is it i can regularly buy 1/10th maples cheaper than AGE's 1/10ths when the maple is 24k as opposed to 22k. >>
Why? Do you think that 24k is better than 22k? Both coins contain the same amount of gold. Any alloy is free. The American sells for more because the demand for American gold is higher.
TD
More weight in alloy in AGE's less in Maples.
Its actually quite strange i thought that the ASE 1/10th says its 1/10th but its actually not , its heavier.
Gold has been alloyed with other metals, primarily copper and silver, throughout history to add to its durability.
Pure gold is quite soft, gold alloyed with just a very small amount of other metals can be several times the strength--which was crucial when these coins actually circulated.
Classic American gold coins ($20 gold pieces, $10, $5, etc) were all 91.67% pure. That's why American Eagles are 91.67% pure. The $50 eagles contain an ounce of pure gold, alloyed with copper and silver.
The South African Krugerrand, which also contains one troy ounce of pure gold, is also 91.67% pure. Its composition is 91.67% pure gold with 8.33% copper. As we've noted a few times recently, there are more Krugerrands in existence than all other gold bullion coins combined.
--Severian the Lame
<< <i>Im with it as far as the AGE and Maples considering the weight difference , but isnt it correct that an ounce of 24k is more desirable than an ounce of 22k ? Ive always thought so.
Its actually quite strange i thought that the ASE 1/10th says its 1/10th but its actually not , its heavier. >>
Forget the gross weights! The net weights are the same!
Therefore, you are not comparing 1/10th of an ounce of 24kt gold to 1/10th of an ounce of 22kt gold, you are comparing .100 ounce of 24kt gold to .1090909 ounce of 22kt gold WHICH CONTAINS .100 ounce of 24kt gold within the alloy.
TD
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<< <i>Im with it as far as the AGE and Maples considering the weight difference , but isnt it correct that an ounce of 24k is more desirable than an ounce of 22k ? Ive always thought so.
Its actually quite strange i thought that the ASE 1/10th says its 1/10th but its actually not , its heavier. >>
Forget the gross weights! The net weights are the same!
Therefore, you are not comparing 1/10th of an ounce of 24kt gold to 1/10th of an ounce of 22kt gold, you are comparing .100 ounce of 24kt gold to .1090909 ounce of 22kt gold WHICH CONTAINS .100 ounce of 24kt gold within the alloy.
TD >>
Tom, its been explained numerous times in this thread quite clearly, yet the OP is not understanding the concept. He may not be capable of grasping the idea. Either that, or he is just having some fun jerking us around.
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Classic American gold coins ($20 gold pieces, $10, $5, etc) were all 91.67% pure. That's why American Eagles are 91.67% pure. The $50 eagles contain an ounce of pure gold, alloyed with copper and silver. >>
Not to confuse things any more but I believe that "Classic" American Gold coinage was .900 fine gold alloyed with .100 copper.
HH
1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
Sterling and other less than pure silver seems to sale at a discount to its melt value, with refining charges as the reason given for the discount. Why is this not the case for less than pure gold?
HH
1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
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Classic American gold coins ($20 gold pieces, $10, $5, etc) were all 91.67% pure. That's why American Eagles are 91.67% pure. The $50 eagles contain an ounce of pure gold, alloyed with copper and silver. >>
Not to confuse things any more but I believe that "Classic" American Gold coinage was .900 fine gold alloyed with .100 copper.
HH >>
From 1834 to 1873, U.S. gold coins were 90% gold, no less than 1% and no more than 5% silver, and the balance copper. As refining techniques improved, the alloy was changed in 1873 to no more than 1% silver and the balance copper.
The American Eagles are 22kt gold because they were designed to replace the Krugerrand, which was 22kt. As a concession to the makers of jewelry settings and coin holders, the eagles were made to the same physical dimensions as the KR's.
TD
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<< <i>Im with it as far as the AGE and Maples considering the weight difference , but isnt it correct that an ounce of 24k is more desirable than an ounce of 22k ? Ive always thought so.
Its actually quite strange i thought that the ASE 1/10th says its 1/10th but its actually not , its heavier. >>
Forget the gross weights! The net weights are the same!
Therefore, you are not comparing 1/10th of an ounce of 24kt gold to 1/10th of an ounce of 22kt gold, you are comparing .100 ounce of 24kt gold to .1090909 ounce of 22kt gold WHICH CONTAINS .100 ounce of 24kt gold within the alloy.
TD >>
Tom, its been explained numerous times in this thread quite clearly, yet the OP is not understanding the concept. He may not be capable of grasping the idea. Either that, or he is just having some fun jerking us around.
Thats actually quite an offensive post , ive made it clear i understood yet you want to argue 22k gold is better than 24k , i disagree.Thanks for the input , i wasnt jerking anyone around which others plainly could see.
We understand James. It can take a little time to grasp the concept.
I sold my nephew some $50 GAE last week and had to explain to him why they weigh more than 1 troy ounce.
He's a Major in the USAF. Flew F-15E Strike Eagles over Iraq and Afghanistan and has a Master's degree in aeronautics.
After my explanation he understood. Initially he didn't understand that a 22K 1 ounce GAE would weigh over 1 ounce.
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I prefer 22K and .900 fine gold coins to 24K. I like to handle them and don't feel comforatable handling .9999 fine gold.
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From 1834 to 1873, U.S. gold coins were 90% gold, no less than 1% and no more than 5% silver, and the balance copper. As refining techniques improved, the alloy was changed in 1873 to no more than 1% silver and the balance copper.
TD >>
Indeed. However the first US gold coins (capped bust half eagles, eagles, 1795-early 1800s) were .9167 gold.
--Severian the Lame
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<< <i>Im with it as far as the AGE and Maples considering the weight difference , but isnt it correct that an ounce of 24k is more desirable than an ounce of 22k ? Ive always thought so.
Its actually quite strange i thought that the ASE 1/10th says its 1/10th but its actually not , its heavier. >>
Forget the gross weights! The net weights are the same!
Therefore, you are not comparing 1/10th of an ounce of 24kt gold to 1/10th of an ounce of 22kt gold, you are comparing .100 ounce of 24kt gold to .1090909 ounce of 22kt gold WHICH CONTAINS .100 ounce of 24kt gold within the alloy.
TD >>
Tom, its been explained numerous times in this thread quite clearly, yet the OP is not understanding the concept. He may not be capable of grasping the idea. Either that, or he is just having some fun jerking us around.
Thats actually quite an offensive post , ive made it clear i understood yet you want to argue 22k gold is better than 24k , i disagree.Thanks for the input , i wasnt jerking anyone around which others plainly could see. >>
This is the part im refering to James......"Its actually quite strange i thought that the ASE 1/10th says its 1/10th but its actually not , its heavier.".....Its been explained to you at least half a dozen times in this thread EXACTLY WHY the 1/10th is actually heavier (gross weight) than the stated weight (which is stated as how much FINE gold is contained in this coin). So its not "strange" at all James. In fact, it makes absolute perfect sense!