<< <i>Why have a white male? they are only the coin collectors who purchase nearly all these coins.....
That's the problem with decisions by committee.
This "perfect union" coin design is a race-based slap in the face to 95% of the folks who would buy this coin.
I find the generic, stereotyped features of the representative groups depicted equally offensive. Seriously, an Indian in braids with a feather in his hair?? I also don't understand why they apparently excluded hispanics from their "perfect union" melting pot. I guess they couldn't make room for a Mexican sombrero? What a terrible design. >>
Are the four disembodied heads a "PC" way of including a certain religious extremist group we are currently at war with? At least the poultry farmers are represented with severed chicken head. Wow there is a lot of diversity representation going on here with this design!
Despite the obnoxious design, let me present a a different point of view regarding the flipping/investment perspective.
The assumption on this board has been that since the maximum mintage is 8,000, then all 8,000 have been minted and will remain for sale for a year, or until sold out.
Given the way the mint has been burned in the past with platinum, I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of thousand was initially made. Demand could then be gauged and decision made on producing more before the end of the year. If sales start off slow the mint will not make any more, and collectors won't have a clue until it goes red, and by then it will be too late.
With the current trajectory of PM prices, the possibility of final sales being much lower than expected, and the reasonable percentage paid above platinum spot, I think the risk/reward here is favorable.
We'll get our fat white guy on a coin when the Taft prez dollar comes out.
All kidding aside. Doesn't this committee go to coin shows to see what people want? Lady Liberty, strong Native Americans chiefs, (full-bodied) majestic Bald Eagles, and few buffalo's for good measure. These are the unique designs that separate us from the rest of the world coins, and it seems to disappearing fast into the new world order.
The disappointing thing is that it sets the tone for what we can expect for the other designs in the series. I really wanted one of the allegorical designs to be chosen.
<< <i>all you neocons can knock off the political bs-this coin was designed and approved long before our current President was elected >>
He could have stopped it!!! >>
Sad that people go as far as to even blame presidents for everything. First gets blamed for the design and then blamed for not stopping it. Even gets blamed for the 2009 Eagle situation.
Want to make a "Change" then apply. Notice the terms are for 4 years...so if you want to blame the president then blame the last one as the last appointments were 2007.
I think that this is a very generous assessment of this horrid design. Just what kind of PC He*# has this world come to? THE WORST design for any U.S. coin that I've EVER seen.
To think that folks thought that the $5 Jackie Unc. was an ugly coin?! This monstrosity literally DEFINES UGLY COIN - my G-d WHAT WERE THEY THINKING??!!
Also, as has been presented in detail in other threads, this P.C. diversity B.S. has absolutely NOTHING to do with the historical context of "A More Perfect Union." Of course the P.C. bunch who populate our Govt. today either have never studied U.S. history, don't care or, more likely, both.
This is SUCH as HORRIBLE design I'm at a loss for words to describe it. In fact, one really can't do justice to a description of this disaster on this forum without getting zapped!
I am personally offended by the design.....it doesnt include a likeness of a Caucasian Male
I didnt hear the terrible R word yet??????? Why???? You know if one of the other "head's" were missing, it would be on the front page of tomorrow's paper.
Feigned outrage about a white guy not being included on an 8,000 max mintage specialty coin when white guys appear on BILLIONS of circulating coins every year. Really? Really?
So many are so concerned with race that they've failed to realize that they are included on the design. The woman at the base is clearly Caucasian. That's my ethnic background. I'm covered--whew!
Not every race, let alone both genders of every race, can be included on a coin the size of a half dollar.
I think the design is better than most modern commem type coins.
We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last. --Severian the Lame
Feigned outrage about a white guy not being included on an 8,000 max mintage specialty coin when white guys appear on BILLIONS of circulating coins every year.
What makes you think that it's feigned? The coin is clearly racial and sexist in nature and is intentionally exculsionary for political purposes, especially in the context of the group depicted on the coin.
Didn't the phrase "to form a more perfect union" come from the Preamble to the Constitution, and wasn't it specifically referring to the Constitution being a better framework for government than the Articles of Confederation? It had nothing to do with racial and sexual integration, (or exclusion).
This coin design has hijacked the meaning of the words from the Preamble for political purposes. To do that is the typical type of cheesy and self-serving political ploy that I've come to expect from the genre of politicos that invest our corrupt governmental bureaucracy.
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<< <i>Feigned outrage about a white guy not being included on an 8,000 max mintage specialty coin when white guys appear on BILLIONS of circulating coins every year. Really? Really?
I think the design is better than most modern commem type coins. >>
Outrage is too strong a word but disgust may be better. It may be coming from previously upwardly mobile white males working for large companies who have realized that you can't get a promotion for the last 10 years if you're not a woman or a minority. It's not simple politics. Diversity is actually hitting white males in the pocketbooks. I'm glad you like the coin. I think there is a chance the coin will also be purchased by non-numismatic diversity proponents. --Jerry
<< <i>Did they intentional leave off the Geico Caveman????? >>
ROFLMAO!!!!!
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Didn't the phrase "to form a more perfect union" come from the Preamble to the Constitution, and wasn't it specifically referring to the Constitution being a better framework for government than the Articles of Confederation? >>
Ohh, I see. Three pages of negative posts about the design aren't about the exclusion of a white guy. You've got an issue with graphical representations of allegory for the word "constitution".
We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last. --Severian the Lame
<< <i>Forget the reverse, this coin will have collectible value due to an overlooked feature on the obverse:
It will be the only possible way to obtain a Platinum Eagle dated 2009. >>
That is true, which is why I will buy at least one.
As to the reverse design, I am reminded of an exchange on "WKRP In Cincinnati:"
"Heads will roll!" said by Les Nessman.
"Heads will roll! Nessman, later that same day." said by Dr. Johnny Fever.
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<< <i>I'd like to like it... but a couple of those chicks look like dudes. >>
Two males, two females.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Hey as I study this design I think you guys are completely missing the point-the black person is actually a female that kind of looks like a man ( like Pat from SNL) and the females are all joined in a big circle and the coin is labeled a MORE PERFECT UNION!!! This is actually another attempt by the libral homosexual cabal to brainwash us into accepting Gay Marriage!!!!Quick call your Congressman,Fox News,the Mormon and Catholic Church!I suggest that we buy all these coins and MELT them in protest on the steps of the Capital.I of course will save a few to use as examples of big goverment gone awry for the education of future generations of true Americans.
<< <i>Hey as I study this design I think you guys are completely missing the point-the black person is actually a female that kind of looks like a man ( like Pat from SNL) and the females are all joined in a big circle and the coin is labeled a MORE PERFECT UNION!!! This is actually another attempt by the libral homosexual cabal to brainwash us into accepting Gay Marriage!!!!Quick call your Congressman,Fox News,the Mormon and Catholic Church!I suggest that we buy all these coins and MELT them in protest on the steps of the Capital.I of course will save a few to use as examples of big goverment gone awry for the education of future generations of true Americans. >>
<< Hey as I study this design I think you guys are completely missing the point-the black person is actually a female that kind of looks like a man ( like Pat from SNL) and the females are all joined in a big circle and the coin is labeled a MORE PERFECT UNION!!! This is actually another attempt by the libral homosexual cabal to brainwash us into accepting Gay Marriage!!!!Quick call your Congressman,Fox News,the Mormon and Catholic Church!I suggest that we buy all these coins and MELT them in protest on the steps of the Capital.I of course will save a few to use as examples of big goverment gone awry for the education of future generations of true Americans. >>
Ah, the voice of "tolerance". Freudian, perhaps. It's always interesting to see the attacks made against those who they disagree with.
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Its all true!A guy on the cable TV with a chalkboard explained it perfectly-the liberal plot to replace our beloved American Eagles with a wiccan circle of Lesbians eager to convert our wifes and children.Quick!Round up all the libral brain washing coins and melt them otherwise truth,justice,and the American way of life-as we know it - will cease to exist
<< <i>Its all true!A guy on the cable TV with a chalkboard explained it perfectly-the liberal plot to replace our beloved American Eagles with a wiccan circle of Lesbians eager to convert our wifes and children.Quick!Round up all the libral brain washing coins and melt them otherwise truth,justice,and the American way of life-as we know it - will cease to exist >>
That's two funny scenarios that you've come up with.
<< <i>I think that this design is a slap in the face to anyone who thinks that race and gender shouldn't matter. Liberals are the ones who should be most offended. >>
Ugh! Gag me. Gag me with a spoon!!! I was holding out to the end that Moy would override the recommendation and go with one of the allegorical designs, but no. Although I must say the two women depicted are babes, that isn't enough to make me buy it! Easy decision now, I'll just use the funds elsewhere...
Just the fairly recent fetish with "series" of coins is enough to put many people off. We had the state quarters, the nickels, the presidential dollars, the native American dollars, the cents, the national parks, and now these. I feel bad for someone visiting the US, they must be confused by all the different pocket change (not that you'd be lucky enough to get one of these in your change). Shouldn't the Mint be promoting a sense of stability in the nations coinage, even though reality may be different.
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<< <i>The American Eagle One-Ounce Platinum Proof Coin will be struck at the United States Mint at West Point. Mintage is limited to 8,000 units
Orders will be limited to five units per household. >>
Good...8,000 units that will be minted until sold out with numbers significantly higher than the key years; thus, no pressure to buy the design!
Miles >>
<< <i>Why have a white male? they are only the coin collectors who purchase nearly all these coins.....
That's the problem with decisions by committee.
This "perfect union" coin design is a race-based slap in the face to 95% of the folks who would buy this coin.
I find the generic, stereotyped features of the representative groups depicted equally offensive. Seriously, an Indian in braids with a feather in his hair?? I also don't understand why they apparently excluded hispanics from their "perfect union" melting pot. I guess they couldn't make room for a Mexican sombrero? What a terrible design. >>
Are the four disembodied heads a "PC" way of including a certain religious extremist group we are currently at war with? At least the poultry farmers are represented with severed chicken head. Wow there is a lot of diversity representation going on here with this design!
<< <i>I like the flowing hair...looks art nouveau-ish.
They missed one person in this more perfect union, where's the fat white coin collector? >>
<< <i>Not Buying.
Even if by some "black swan" scenario this coin becomes the rarest plat known, I will rest easy I did not have ANY part of owning such a coin.
Keep it. What were those committee members thinking?????
Time for a new committee. >>
<< <i>So many posts,
Am I the only one that actually kinda likes it?
Although I'd rather have a nice liberty/eagle design. >>
I'm glad someone likes it and you had the courage to post that you do among all this dissent. --Jerry
<< <i> It looks like the disembodied eagle head is thinking "WTF?" >>
I've said all that I wanted to say about this horrible design earlier in the thread.
It's not Obama's fault, but the fault of lesser politically correct morons, who actively selected this design or failed to end it.
(1) Citizens Commemorative Coin Advisory Committee
(2) The Director of the Mint
(3) Secretary of the Treasury
(4) Congress
The assumption on this board has been that since the maximum mintage is 8,000, then all 8,000 have been minted and will remain for sale for a year, or until sold out.
Given the way the mint has been burned in the past with platinum, I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of thousand was initially made. Demand could then be gauged and decision made on producing more before the end of the year. If sales start off slow the mint will not make any more, and collectors won't have a clue until it goes red, and by then it will be too late.
With the current trajectory of PM prices, the possibility of final sales being much lower than expected, and the reasonable percentage paid above platinum spot, I think the risk/reward here is favorable.
I'm in for a few....
FloridaBill
All kidding aside. Doesn't this committee go to coin shows to see what people want? Lady Liberty, strong Native Americans chiefs, (full-bodied) majestic Bald Eagles, and few buffalo's for good measure. These are the unique designs that separate us from the rest of the world coins, and it seems to disappearing fast into the new world order.
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<< <i>Yuck and double yuck I wouldn't want it at any price. Just means I have more Dollars for beauiful British Britannia Sets. >>
GAT haven't you heard? They are putting a Pakistani shop keeper on the 2010 Britannia to show the UK's diversity.
It will be the only possible way to obtain a Platinum Eagle dated 2009.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
<< <i>It looks like the disembodied eagle head is thinking "WTF?"
ABSOLUTELY AWESOME
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<< <i>all you neocons can knock off the political bs-this coin was designed and approved long before our current President was elected >>
He could have stopped it!!!
Sad that people go as far as to even blame presidents for everything. First gets blamed for the design and then blamed for not stopping it. Even gets blamed for the 2009 Eagle situation.
Want to make a "Change" then apply. Notice the terms are for 4 years...so if you want to blame the president then blame the last one as the last appointments were 2007.
http://www.usmint.gov/pressroom/index.cfm?flash=yes&action=press_release&ID=1068
AND..for the record the theme was approved August 2008. ...(That was 3 months before the election)
http://numismaster.com/ta/numis/Article.jsp?ad=article&ArticleId=5047
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Ya think GWB knows anything about this syndrome???
For some reaon I find them more appealing to look at than dead white guys. I dunno. I'm strange that way.
Anyway I like this better than the Braille commemorative.
Yes this could be low mintage, perhaps even the lowest 1 oz APE but you can have mine.
Even if it comes in a few hundred below 2008s I doubt there will ever be a shortage of these for sale...........
I think that this is a very generous assessment of this horrid design. Just what kind of PC He*# has this world come to? THE WORST design for any U.S. coin that I've EVER seen.
To think that folks thought that the $5 Jackie Unc. was an ugly coin?! This monstrosity literally DEFINES UGLY COIN - my G-d WHAT WERE THEY THINKING??!!
Also, as has been presented in detail in other threads, this P.C. diversity B.S. has absolutely NOTHING to do with the historical context of "A More Perfect Union." Of course the P.C. bunch who populate our Govt. today either have never studied U.S. history, don't care or, more likely, both.
This is SUCH as HORRIBLE design I'm at a loss for words to describe it. In fact, one really can't do justice to a description of this disaster on this forum without getting zapped!
<< <i>Did they intentional leave off the Geico Caveman????? >>
What about the Geico Gecko - aren't Geckos people to in the new ultra - p.c. U.S.?
I didnt hear the terrible R word yet??????? Why???? You know if one of the other "head's" were missing, it would be on the front page of tomorrow's paper.
So many are so concerned with race that they've failed to realize that they are included on the design. The woman at the base is clearly Caucasian. That's my ethnic background. I'm covered--whew!
Not every race, let alone both genders of every race, can be included on a coin the size of a half dollar.
I think the design is better than most modern commem type coins.
--Severian the Lame
What makes you think that it's feigned? The coin is clearly racial and sexist in nature and is intentionally exculsionary for political purposes, especially in the context of the group depicted on the coin.
Didn't the phrase "to form a more perfect union" come from the Preamble to the Constitution, and wasn't it specifically referring to the Constitution being a better framework for government than the Articles of Confederation? It had nothing to do with racial and sexual integration, (or exclusion).
This coin design has hijacked the meaning of the words from the Preamble for political purposes. To do that is the typical type of cheesy and self-serving political ploy that I've come to expect from the genre of politicos that invest our corrupt governmental bureaucracy.
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>Feigned outrage about a white guy not being included on an 8,000 max mintage specialty coin when white guys appear on BILLIONS of circulating coins every year. Really? Really?
I think the design is better than most modern commem type coins. >>
Outrage is too strong a word but disgust may be better. It may be coming from previously upwardly mobile white males working for large companies who have realized that you can't get a promotion for the last 10 years if you're not a woman or a minority. It's not simple politics. Diversity is actually hitting white males in the pocketbooks. I'm glad you like the coin. I think there is a chance the coin will also be purchased by non-numismatic diversity proponents.
--Jerry
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<< <i>Did they intentional leave off the Geico Caveman????? >>
ROFLMAO!!!!!
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Didn't the phrase "to form a more perfect union" come from the Preamble to the Constitution, and wasn't it specifically referring to the Constitution being a better framework for government than the Articles of Confederation? >>
Ohh, I see. Three pages of negative posts about the design aren't about the exclusion of a white guy. You've got an issue with graphical representations of allegory for the word "constitution".
--Severian the Lame
<< <i>Forget the reverse, this coin will have collectible value due to an overlooked feature on the obverse:
It will be the only possible way to obtain a Platinum Eagle dated 2009. >>
That is true, which is why I will buy at least one.
As to the reverse design, I am reminded of an exchange on "WKRP In Cincinnati:"
"Heads will roll!" said by Les Nessman.
"Heads will roll! Nessman, later that same day." said by Dr. Johnny Fever.
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<< <i>Yuck and double yuck I wouldn't want it at any price. Just means I have more Dollars for beauiful British Britannia Sets. >>
GAT haven't you heard? They are putting a Pakistani shop keeper on the 2010 Britannia to show the UK's diversity.
Sorry Charley, I only buy the low mintage sets from the 1990's.
I'd like to like it... but a couple of those chicks look like dudes.
<< <i>I'd like to like it... but a couple of those chicks look like dudes. >>
Two males, two females.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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<< <i>I'd like to like it... but a couple of those chicks look like dudes. >>
Two males, two females.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Then does that mean the dudes look like chicks? I'd say I'm not sure about the Indian. --Jerry
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<< <i>all you neocons can knock off the political bs-this coin was designed and approved long before our current President was elected >>
That would very much surprise me. Do you have a link or are you making this up? It was just released. --Jerry >>
Jerry, I find it curious that drfish can spot a neocon(s) on a coin forum.
What's a neocon anyway? Did he mean neocoin??
There are a few of us here.
We have plans, plots, conspiracies, and coverups...and we do it all for you.
Scooter is free.
It was Armitage, heh heh.
Hoard the keys.
Give it a break. That's right. Outrage. HAHAHA.
It hurts when the tables are turned doesnt it????
The liberal establishment has gone too far.
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Great Post!!!!!! HAHAHA
I just think it's an ugly design, considering the much more attractive ones that were submitted.
<< <i>Hey as I study this design I think you guys are completely missing the point-the black person is actually a female that kind of looks like a man ( like Pat from SNL) and the females are all joined in a big circle and the coin is labeled a MORE PERFECT UNION!!! This is actually another attempt by the libral homosexual cabal to brainwash us into accepting Gay Marriage!!!!Quick call your Congressman,Fox News,the Mormon and Catholic Church!I suggest that we buy all these coins and MELT them in protest on the steps of the Capital.I of course will save a few to use as examples of big goverment gone awry for the education of future generations of true Americans. >>
... that is hilarious ... very good!
Ah, the voice of "tolerance". Freudian, perhaps. It's always interesting to see the attacks made against those who they disagree with.
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>Its all true!A guy on the cable TV with a chalkboard explained it perfectly-the liberal plot to replace our beloved American Eagles with a wiccan circle of Lesbians eager to convert our wifes and children.Quick!Round up all the libral brain washing coins and melt them otherwise truth,justice,and the American way of life-as we know it - will cease to exist >>
That's two funny scenarios that you've come up with.
But I think you actually believe these. No?
<< <i>I think that this design is a slap in the face to anyone who thinks that race and gender shouldn't matter. Liberals are the ones who should be most offended. >>
Comrade jmski, remember camp in old country.
We go for long time.
Make brain smart.
Make tongue soft.
Is there this camp in America?
Comrade Renski
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