to crack the rattler or not to crack the rattler... that is the question...

joebb21

based on an earlier thread about cracking rattlers...

recently purchased.

67=$50+-
68=$2,000+-

think its got a chance?
best shots I could take..

commoncents05

I wouldn't.

-Paul

joebb21

why! would it not upgrade?will it be bagged for AT? because of a rattler premium?

WinPitcher

With that spread why wouldn't anyone take a chance? What can you lose?

50.00 and the cost of grading?


Steve

commoncents05

If it really has a shot, I would send it to CAC for a gold sticker.

-Paul

TwoSides2aCoin

Are you cracking rattlers or rattling crackers

Baley

would you buy it for $2000 or anywhere near that number, if it were in a 68 holder? would anyone?

I'd leave it alone

rainbowcoins

I would just leave it as it is. It's a beauty and you would be taking a risk IMO.

SamByrd

NO, leave it in the rattler. There is a decent chance it comes back as a 66 very little chance of a 68.

golfer72

Those upper grades are pretty much interchangeable anyway so it could easily come back 66 or even AT. Leave it as is. Also with the high price difference to the next grade they probably wont give it to you. Unfortunately the TPG's seem to factor in prices for adjacent grades when they grade the coins. Not right but they do it.

keets

if you're serious about the upgrade the wisest thing to do is to try for a regrade in holder, either via PCGS or as a cross at NGC.

WinPitcher

would you buy it for $2000 or anywhere near that number, if it were in a 68 holder? would anyone?




lol well that is another story. Why then are they valued so high?


Steve

mike92694

Here is the issue I have.

As you mentioned, the coin is worth $50 in 67, and $2000 in 68. Having said that, whether you get the upgrade or not is for all practical purposes is a financial zero-loss situation.
Having said that, it makes me and perhaps others question any items, present or future, that you have for sale, that they may be "overgraded" based on your desire to upgrade to a higher grade. On a related note, I sure ain't buying a $50 coin for $2000, even if it does upgrade.

Finally, nobody can tell the difference between a 67 and a 68 solely on a couple of pics.

GoldenEyeNumismatics

You have very little to lose. Go for it.

braddick

I've never seen a PCGS MS68 Roosevelt with that brownish/golden toning before. Yours would be a first.
Couple that with what doesn't appear to be flawless luster and I think it'll remain in an MS67 slab.

joebb21

<<<<<u mentioned, the coin is worth $50 in 67, and $2000 in 68. Having said that, whether you get the upgrade or not is for all practical purposes is a financial zero-loss situation.
Having said that, it makes me and perhaps others question any items, present or future, that you have for sale, that they may be "overgraded" based on your desire to upgrade to a higher grade. On a related note, I sure ain't buying a $50 coin for $2000, even if it does upgrade.>>>>>




so now Im a coin doctor and I cant be trusted when sell coins?

adamlaneus

I predict that it will grade a MS-68 if you resubmit it at least 66 times.

That is what the math works out to be anyway.

sinin1

unless you like rattlers, send for regrade

they crack and regrade - if lower they compensate as guarantee


FT designation now available


probably less than 10% chance going to 68 - but what the heck

PCGS needs to keep in business as well

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Gemineye

Geez....as I said before in another thread ...we don't collect coins ..we collect packaging..!!!...You have a coin that's in a slab and your not concerned about the coin IN the slab but the slab itself and what's on the label...It won't change the coin at all....!!!!!..

Baley

I predict that it will grade a MS-68 if you resubmit it at least 66 times

66 times at $50 per submission is $3300 added to the $50 he's already got into it. Not worth it for a $2000 coin.

His break-even is 1950/50 = 39 tries

Steve

You submit for regrade and the following is guaranteed.
The coin WILL be cracked out of the rattler slab.

The following is likely IMHO.
You will get the coin back in a new slab graded MS67.

The following is VERY unlikely but possible.
You get the coin back in a new slab graded MS68.

The following will NOT happen.
You get the coin back in a new slab graded MS66 or lower or AT unless PCGS compensates you for the difference in value. (which would be very minor compensation).
You get the coin back in its original rattler slab.

Good luck with whatever you choose to do.
Steve

TomB

Your images make the coin appear to have the eye appeal of a generic MS67.

SUMORADA

I have an album toned 49 D across the street waiting to be picked up, I received the grade a couple days ago.....MS67FT *

And yes it's going to pcgs as soon as I receive it.......no pics at home, I'll post some that I took of it raw tomorrow.

Oh....Let-R- Rip, go for it............or sell it to somebody who will.....

Bochiman

From the pictures, it is not a MS68. It is not FB.
Folks "may" pay a small premium for the rattler (either to have a more unique style of collection...older holders...or fanciful thoughts of an upgrade) but no one seems to pay premiums for current/new holders....

For $50, it isn't bad though it is too bad it isn't FB. I'd like it for around that price.

Halfhunter06

Are you nuts? DONT!!!
Its more "sellable" in the old holder as it is. Just because the ms68 price is in the 4 figures...doesnt mean any more than 3 people would ever shell out that kind of money to get something they could get for 50 bucks in a 67 holder. Just charge a premium for the rattler, say 100 bucks. If you want to hold out for that guy who will buy it for 2000, good luck.

Billet7

I would do as has been stated before, I would send it to CAC and see if they gold sticker it...then I would send it in for upgrade.

roadrunner

I approve of the CAC idea first. Minimal cost. Have the coin examined by some of the top Roosy eyes out there. Some are on this forum. Their opinion is probably every bit as legit as CAC, etc. And if CAC did gold sticker I'd probably end the game right there as the odds would still be stacked against you at PCGS. A gold sticker from CAC would mean the coin is a MS 68.4 or better. So even if the coin is just a MS68.0 to MS68.3 CAC would only green bean it. If the coin were worthy of a 68.4 grade I think you would already know it. The coin would speak for itself.

I figure the odds of an upgrade are probably the ratio of the pops: up to 100-1. I doubt it would even be worth $2000 if in a 68 holder. And it would likely have to be a FT coin. There are probalby very few dime collectors shelling out $2000 per date in this current environment unless the coin is pop 1 with no equals. I wouldn't be in a hurry to make a decision. We all run across MS67 Mercs, Buffs, Roosies, and Washingtons in rattler holders from time to time. Very few measure up to a 68 today. For a 68 from PCGS today the coin would have to be basically flawless with knock your socks off luster and eye appeal.

roadrunner

QuarterCollector

<< <i>If it really has a shot, I would send it to CAC for a gold sticker.

-Paul >>



I agree

mike92694

<< <i><<<<<u mentioned, the coin is worth $50 in 67, and $2000 in 68. Having said that, whether you get the upgrade or not is for all practical purposes is a financial zero-loss situation.
Having said that, it makes me and perhaps others question any items, present or future, that you have for sale, that they may be "overgraded" based on your desire to upgrade to a higher grade. On a related note, I sure ain't buying a $50 coin for $2000, even if it does upgrade.>>>>>




so now Im a coin doctor and I cant be trusted when sell coins? >>



well, no. you're not a coin doctor. just a person who, if you do have a coin in one grade which is worth significantly more than in the lower grade, would make me wonder as to whether the coin is really worth the money.

drkilmer

Ignore all the moralistic bullsh*t and resubmit, if that's what you want to do. Have fun. You have little to lose.

JBN

For what it's worth: Spend the money to CAC. It may get the gold. Rattler with gold should be as good as new 68 holder price wise. Rattler adds value, IMHO-you know where coin was.

TomB

CAC does not evaluate Roosevelt dimes. The two Roosevelt dimes that appeared on ebay recently with CAC stickers were evaluated in error.

coinbuf

Well here is my opinion, it appears in your rev pic that the coin has three or so minor ticks/hits. Only the one on the torch itself is very noticable, and that is mostly due to the very lg pics. But if my old eyes can see them I'd bet that the graders will also so imo this coin has less than a 5% chance of going 68. I'd leave it in the rattler but as has been pointed out its a very small risk, so if you do crack and submit it would be interesting to see the results.

TwoSides2aCoin

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I think it looks good just as it is. We're talking "vintage" holder, brother.

mr1931S

The buyer @$2000 (even if the holder does say MS68) is practically non-existent.Just because a price guide assigns a high value to a coin like this (1949 D dime) doesn't make it "worth" that much.

$2000 is quite a chunk of change for the vast majority of collectors.At the end of the day, a 1949 dime that looks better than most 1949 dimes is still,well, just a 1949 dime.

That's not to say you don't have a nice coin but it is what it is.If it were mine,I'd leave it just as it is.

As an experiment,you could cover up the grade with tape and see if you get even one offer of $1000 for your coin.

joebb21

the $2000 I was refering to was from the heritage archive of past sold ms68 non fb's

asheland

Pretty coin.
I'd leave it alone.

Stew

"if you're serious about the upgrade the wisest thing to do is to try for a regrade in holder, either via PCGS or as a cross at NGC."

Keets Nailed it.


Most of life's decisions are simple people tend to complicate them

timcoin

I would never crack a coin out of a 67 holder. Why? Who can honestly tell the difference between a 67 and a 68?

BillJones

MS-68 graded coins from this era are expensive for a reason. PCGS does not hand out that grade like popcorn. I'd say your chances of upgrading are very remote. I'd leave the coin alone. You could even end up with a lower grade and would lose the mystique of the rattle holder.

bstat1020

Leave it alone.

PerryHall

Rattler holders are an endangered species. Save the rattlers!!!

SUMORADA

Here is a pic of the one I mentioned earlier in this thread...NGC MS67FT *

JRocco

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I think it looks good just as it is. We're talking "vintage" holder, brother. >>



Man I really wish my rattlers looked as pristine as this one.

No one can look at these pics and say pro or con if a toned coin is a 67 or a 68.
Nobody.
That said, 68 would be a real long shot on a coin toned like this.
Unless you could be really sure of your call with the coin in hand I would leave this one alone.

coinbuf

<< <i>if you're serious about the upgrade the wisest thing to do is to try for a regrade in holder, either via PCGS or as a cross at NGC. >>



As he is after an upgrade a submission to NGC will not help, per their website and crossover grading:
"You may not request a higher minimum grade than is on the current holder. "

leothelyon

Unless you could be really sure of your call with the coin in hand I would leave this one alone.

This is what I was thinking. But if he can't see it, what business does he have in collecting a series he can't grade? How much independence from a grading company does a collector need to establish themselves as a noteworthy collector? At what point in assembling a series do we rely on ourselves in finishing it. If I found myself dependent on a grading service with every coin that was added to my set, could I really consider myself an established coin collector when I'm waiting on somebody else's opinion all the time. Whether a coin resided in a MS66, 67 or 68 holder, where do the qualities of that coin stand with the other coins in my collection?
Even if the OP's coin had everything about it that said MS68. the strike, grad/condition, luster and finally...the eye appeal would all need to be at a level rarely seen in the majority of coins one owns. When I peruse through my collection, there are a handful that stand above the rest. Are they candidates for a MS68 grade? I think so but I don't need the label when another collector can agree with me and pay what I'm asking. If not, based on the idea that it's not certified in a higher holder? Than that individual doesn't really know enough about the series to own such a coin. In other words, say a collector has set of high quality coins but yet when a coin comes along that stands above in eye appeal on 99% of his collection and he can't see it, does anyone think he deserves to own that coin? Hell no! That coin will end up in another collection.

Leo

Type2

Keep it in the holder or if you need to send it in dont crack it send in the holder with a min grade of MS-68 if it go then great if not you are out only the fee's. But that holder looks almost new. I would keep it in that holder. Nice Dime.