WTC RECOVERY COINS

NewParadigm

I want to open a discussion to see what your thoughts are on the WTC coins.

Also, has anybody heard, or know of, any PCGS graded 70 WTC coins. I have seen many 69, but not 70.

SNMAN

NewParadigm,

Link sent.

snman

jmcu12

Morbid and not in my taste at all - tacky way to make money.

derryb

<< <i>Morbid and not in my taste at all - tacky way to make money. >>



Lincoln was murdered, should I avoid those as well?

BXBOY143

would you rather they had been melted and forgotten forever?

HighRelief

I also have never seen one in MS70 but I have seen many with no grade at all. I wanted this one since it was the year 2001 and it also reminds me to never forget.

zeebob

To me this is a bit like taking souvenirs from a war grave. This has the same scent that recreational divers that steal bits from WWII wrecks and try to hawk them on Ebay reek of. I don't need a mangled portal from the Arizona to remember December 7th. I don't need a piece of WTC recovered anything to remember September 11.

The WTC coins have no other intrinsic value beyond their usual value as coins. Ascribing "Association value" to them by labeling them WTC Recovery is nothing more than a smarmy marketer's ploy to profit from the death of others.

edited to change "wreak" to "reek"

zeebob

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<< <i>Morbid and not in my taste at all - tacky way to make money. >>



Lincoln was murdered, should I avoid those as well? >>



By "those," if you mean Lincoln cents or other items issued to honor the memory of a great leader, certainly not. If you mean "those" like the bloody rags used as bandages, or perhaps bits of Lincoln's clothing, or the Traitor Wilk's personal effects, yes, I would encourage you to avoid them.

Commemoratives are different from artifacts. Collecting Sacajawea dollars is cool, robbing Native American burial mounds is desecration (oh, and a crime).

ponderit

<< <i>would you rather they had been melted and forgotten forever? >>



THANK YOU! I own 3 WTC ASEs that I bought when they first came on the market. While I certainly don't need these in order to never forget, they do make me feel connected to the events of that terrible day.
I would also like to point out the USS New York. 7.5 tons of the steel used in the ship's construction came from the rubble of the World Trade Center. What an awesome ship!

Connecticoin

Nice "FEC" icon.

llafoe

PCGS attributes coins all the time... collectors, hoarders, first strike, etc. Why should it matter if they attributed these coins to a significant event? If the mint did a commemorative coin for 9/11, would you boycott that coin too?

Hyperion

Imho, these will be more acceptable 80 years from now.

Do I own one? Yep. But I also have a bunch of stuff preserved from around the time. Including Irradiated mail packs from all my mail that got held up during the subsequent anthrax attacks, and stalled out at my local post...my mail carriers got subc. anthrax infections from the Ewing branch... they're sitting in a pack in a box for someone to discover after I'm dead and they're going through my crap.

terribleredmonster

<< <i>Imho, these will be more acceptable 80 years from now.

Do I own one? Yep. But I also have a bunch of stuff preserved from around the time. Including Irradiated mail packs from all my mail that got held up during the subsequent anthrax attacks, and stalled out at my local post...my mail carriers got subc. anthrax infections from the Ewing branch... they're sitting in a pack in a box for someone to discover after I'm dead and they're going through my crap. >>



Geez, Frank, you may want to at least mark the box so your unwitting descendants have a clue as to what they're getting into.

Personally, I don't find these coins to be heinous or anything, but I don't buy them.

joeyuk

I feel the coins are a part of history. I speculate when holding coins that circulated during colonial times
if they were in someones pocket as they discussed events of the day. I don't feel these coins reach this
status but similar.

Here is a link to a site which deals entirely with 911 coins including some PCGS MS70's.

911 coins

Joe

Hyperion

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<< <i>Imho, these will be more acceptable 80 years from now.

Do I own one? Yep. But I also have a bunch of stuff preserved from around the time. Including Irradiated mail packs from all my mail that got held up during the subsequent anthrax attacks, and stalled out at my local post...my mail carriers got subc. anthrax infections from the Ewing branch... they're sitting in a pack in a box for someone to discover after I'm dead and they're going through my crap. >>



Geez, Frank, you may want to at least mark the box so your unwitting descendants have a clue as to what they're getting into.

Personally, I don't find these coins to be heinous or anything, but I don't buy them. >>



Ill put a hazmat symbol on it!

I also have some Iraqi casino chips and currency from MrPaseo ...

northcoin

I have not done a search, but this topic has been raised more than once in threads since 9-11. The most poignant responses though were closer to the event of the tragedy and those most closely associated with it were incensed, saddened, and disappointed in the whole idea. With time now passed the coins are now more of an oddity. Many have justified their existence because some small portion of profits for some of the coins went to good causes associated with the tragedy itself.

ricko

I find the sale of these coins to be merely a marketing ploy. I donated directly to causes at the time. I certainly need no reminders of 9-11, I think of it every day. I would pay someone to kill bin Laden... that would be enjoyable. I would pay considerably more to be allowed to kill him myself. However, a coin in a plastic tomb does nothing for me or the issue at hand. I did buy one of dcarr's twin tower commemorative coins showing the new towers in the form of the single digit salute... that is a nice coin. Some may need reminders, most of us should not. Cheers, RickO

derryb

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<< <i>Morbid and not in my taste at all - tacky way to make money. >>



Lincoln was murdered, should I avoid those as well? >>



By "those," if you mean Lincoln cents or other items issued to honor the memory of a great leader, certainly not. If you mean "those" like the bloody rags used as bandages, or perhaps bits of Lincoln's clothing, or the Traitor Wilk's personal effects, yes, I would encourage you to avoid them.

Commemoratives are different from artifacts. Collecting Sacajawea dollars is cool, robbing Native American burial mounds is desecration (oh, and a crime). >>



So, what's the difference between a WTC certified coin and a certified gold coin from a shipwreck when it come to desecration? These were merely bullion coins that were in storage in the WTC basement vaults, that became "commemorative" coins with their special, certified designation. Do you see the the WTC steel that was used in the just commissioned USS New York as desecration as well?

derryb

<< <i>Nice "FEC" icon. >>





Alt?

19Lyds

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<< <i>Nice "FEC" icon. >>





Alt? >>



Not unless the ALT was created before 11/9 which was when FEC went poof.

Spiff

I LOVE the flag on the insert.. I was at a point a long while back to get some of the ASE but never did

jmcu12

zeebob - thank you, my sentiments exactly.

pakasmom

<< <i>zeebob - thank you, my sentiments exactly. >>

And mine as well.

TomB

I, too, believe zeebob did a really fine job of describing much of what is felt and thought by many of us with respect to WTC recovery pieces. I would also like to stress that for myself much of the disapproval of these pieces is with the marketing aspect and not with the idea that folks would ascribe physically associated history to the pieces.

dbldie55

<< <i>Morbid and not in my taste at all - tacky way to make money. >>



That is sort of a nice way to say how I feel.

derryb

<< <i>I, too, believe zeebob did a really fine job of describing much of what is felt and thought by many of us with respect to WTC recovery pieces. I would also like to stress that for myself much of the disapproval of these pieces is with the marketing aspect and not with the idea that folks would ascribe physically associated history to the pieces. >>



Agree 100%, I don't own one, but only because of the rediculous premium for one. Anyone know who was behind the marketing (profited) from these?

I might add that my daughter brought me a WTC coffee mug from her visit to NY only three months before 9/11. I have cherished it more since 9/11.

PerryHall

I bought two 10 oz silver bars produced by the Wall Street Mint from a forum member here. These bars used the old design which showed the NYC skyline including the two WTC towers which I think is neat. This design is no longer being used by this company.

speety

I've always wanted one of These 9/11 Firefighter coins, but never any of the ones the OP was talking about. The NY Firefighter quarters are probably the best thing ever to happen through this board, with the possible exception of all the new collectors this board has produced (...and failed to chase away! ).

kwmorgan

I have a 1 oz AGE in one of these holders..."Gem Uncirculated". I think it is a personal decision to buy one of these coins. I bought it for near AGE price. I would not have and did not pay a high premium for it. To me, it is a piece of American history.

BXBOY143

<< <i>I have a 1 oz AGE in one of these holders..."Gem Uncirculated". I think it is a personal decision to buy one of these coins. I bought it for near AGE price. I would not have and did not pay a high premium for it. To me, it is a piece of American history. >>

JungleFever