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Beckett VS PSA, pluses and minuses of both..
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1) I like the way PSA grades the "NATURAL" o-pee-chee cut.
2) Don't like all the different criteria for grading pricing. Beckett does this better, flat rate per card per length of time, Value doesn't matter.
3) Autograph grades - I like them. I have seen some Auto's smudged and some perfect.
4) Regrading - I like PSA stance, Beckett has no stance
5) Crossovers - I like PSA
6) 9.5 grades. I like them. Personally, unless the card is ultra new, it's hard to believe there are many 10's.
Everybody give me you thoughts on these items and your likes and dislikes.
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Beckett grades sheet cut cards.
BVG, BCCG, who knows what they are grading and how? Not them I'm sure, the grades are inconsistant in vintage.
I guess they have a niche in modern, but in everything else it's a 2 dog race between PSA and SGC. Beckett is as relevant as Pro, Ksa, and the rest of the also rans.
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I think PSA 9 's should all come with a reason why they aren't 10's.
At least with Beckett you know why you didn't get that 9.5..
Also, beckett's website is horrible......it is like a 12 year old kid is running it.
I also like that PSA holders are uniform, BGs, BVG, BCCG, too inconsistent -- diminishing some value.
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The Beckett holder is the most secure in the hobby and with the scams going on right now, that matters a LOT.
<< <i>Beckett may grade sheet cut cards, but at least you are getting a card and not a deskjet printer special.
The Beckett holder is the most secure in the hobby and with the scams going on right now, that matters a LOT. >>
I agree. It's the best slab on the market and it's not even close.
1994 Pro Line Live
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Registery = PSA wins by a long shot
Web site = PSA wins by a long shot
prices realized = PSA wins alot of the time due to a very strong following with the registery it's not because they are better graders it's competition among registery collectors plain and simple.. (thus 2 grand for a nolan ryan 1986 topps card in PSA 10 lol)
On the Issue of "sheet cuts"
PSA and SGC grade them as well it's just Beckett has done this with OPC which is easier to spot due to the edges and the cut PSA and SGC won't touch em...Thus BGS cathes alot of crud (which they deserve) these cards should be designated "sheet cut" on the flip if they are gonna holder them..
Modern stuff lol.. believe me people are sending in sheet cut stuff to all the graders..
I challenge anybody on these boards to let me send them 25 modern cards 1990-present among them will be 3 sheet cut cards if you can pick the 3 out I'll paypal you 50.00 seems easy enough right? oh yeah and if you're wrong you paypal me the 50.00 we can have one of the more "respected members" know which the 3 sheet cuts are before hand to keep things fair
EDIT TO ADD: go to the SGC website ask what graders best then go to the BGS site and do the same.. See what answers you get.. every website will claim "their grader of choice" is the best...
When it comes to certain other sports cards - PSA doesn't have a clue.
I do not care for the multi number formula listed on Beckett's flip.
I do not like how PSA slabs smaller issues (i.e. Kellogg's) which rattle around in the slab - banging its corners. (do NOT ask me to pay for reholdering your mistake)
As for grading, I've found both companies inconsistent. BGS is a much easier grade than they were 5 years ago. Maybe it's intentional to get more business, I don't know. For the first five years of BGS, they were known as the toughest in the hobby - BGS 9.5's really meant something. It's a hell of a lot easier now, and the market seems to be flooded with them. However, the subgrades also set them apart from PSA.
BGS has fumbled the registry thing. They had one and shut it down, promising to re-launch it, which they never did. They are actually losing business because of this, and it is ridiculous. Is a registry that difficult? Get a couple of web designers in there and get it done.
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All I have to say is PSA must have their head up their A** to post such error filled data.
Firstly, the list has at least two cards mis-identified.
Secondly, there are at least 3 major well known cards missing from the list.
If I was so inclined, my collection would be # 1 in the registry - but since it is such a clusterF*** of mess, I will continue to pass on it.
This is one of the major reasons that soccer and hockey collectors do not join these registries. PSA has shown no inclination to encourage it.
At least Beckett has made some strides in slabbing some of the better known card sets. (in a better slab I might add)
Beckett Cons-Grades sheet cut/trimmed cards (Obviously trimmed cards) - Website Sux - Price Guide (Raw) Sux
PSA Pros - Better Resale on many cards (Not all) - Better Price Specials - Better Website
PSA Cons - Easily cracked slabs - Price Guide Inaccurate - Inconsistent turnaround times
Overall, I prefer PSA for what I like best. Plus, I have this subconcious feeling that Beckett is the evil empire that has taken the term "book" to literally when buying and selling cards. Conflict of interest in too many ways to produce a price guide, especially seeing how inaccurate their price guide actually is.
Not meaning to be derogatory, but I would compare the two this way:
PSA = Adult Grading
Beckett = Kids Grading
I know it's been addressed before, but do Beckett holders have any UV protection?
<< <i>Beckett Pros- Slabs are 100% better, Grading scale showing WHY your card is what it is - 100% better, Grading Fees easier to understand - No Membership Fee
Beckett Cons-Grades sheet cut/trimmed cards (Obviously trimmed cards) - Website Sux - Price Guide (Raw) Sux
PSA Pros - Better Resale on many cards (Not all) - Better Price Specials - Better Website
PSA Cons - Easily cracked slabs - Price Guide Inaccurate - Inconsistent turnaround times
Overall, I prefer PSA for what I like best. Plus, I have this subconcious feeling that Beckett is the evil empire that has taken the term "book" to literally when buying and selling cards. Conflict of interest in too many ways to produce a price guide, especially seeing how inaccurate their price guide actually is.
Not meaning to be derogatory, but I would compare the two this way:
PSA = Adult Grading
Beckett = Kids Grading >>
PSA also produces a price guide, which IMHO is much worse than Becketts. At least it looks like Beckett puts some money into their price guide rather than the cheap feel of SMR.
<< <i>I know it's been addressed before, but do Beckett holders have any UV protection? >>
I take my Beckett holders to the beach - no sunscreen required.
I have to keep the PSA holders under the umbrella ... they flop around in their holders too
<< <i>I like the 4 grades beckett gives. This way you know why your minty fresh card didn't get that PSA 10. >>
Didn't Beckett stop giving out the 4 grade report card on the back of the slab?
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Speaking of ethics in the auction business, after the whole Maestro debacle, ethics and morals are a relative term.
If you want to sell your cards - go with SCG or PSA because that's what the followers follow.
It's all instant replay anyway - someone else's judgement call.
you can worship any grading company you want.
To me its all about knowledge and information - and PSA don't know squat about my hobby - and what I collect.
What is worse they look outright stupid trying. PSA soccer registry is a JOKE. I've seen more mislabled slabs than a retarded cemetary.
<< <i>Is ethics really a concern in the hobby? Don't all three TPG have some skeltons in the closet.
Speaking of ethics in the auction business, after the whole Maestro debacle, ethics and morals are a relative term. >>
Every grading company, major and minor, has enough skeletons in the closet to fill Boston Garden. Let's face it, the industry itself practically puts out a welcome mat for corruption. When it comes to opinions and judgement calls of graders that can make people a lot of money, it's very easy to be skeptical of the process. I've always thought the biggest customers got the best grades. Can it be proven? Nope. Basically, it's something you just have to accept as part of the industry if you choose to deal in it.
In 2000, my roommate at the time wrote a scathing email to PSA about some of their practices that really irked him. He included his name and the fact that he was a member. Just after that, he submitted a 1998 SP Peyton Manning for grading, a card that was off-the-charts hot at that time (9's were going for $800). It had some slight edge damage on one side. He knew he would recoup his money if he got an 8, but had his fingers crossed for a 9. As a side note, that's a card we NEVER would have considered sending to BGS at that time - it wouldn't have sniffed a 9.
It got a 10.
I was the one who called to get the grades, and nearly fell out of my chair. No way in hell it was a 10, but that's what he got. We always wondered if PSA was trying to keep the customer happy with that 10 - it seemed like too much of coincidence.
By the way, he sold it on ebay for $7,700. My Lord did cards sell for a lot of money at that time. You'd be lucky to get $600 for that card now.
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<< <i>I like the 4 grades beckett gives. This way you know why your minty fresh card didn't get that PSA 10. >>
Didn't Beckett stop giving out the 4 grade report card on the back of the slab? >>
Yes they did but they moved the subgrades to the front of the flip instead.
Check out this beauty to see what I mean
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
<< <i>When a grading company sells its own graded cards in auctions you have to question their ethics and morals. >>
Why is that?? are they doing something corrupt when they have these auctions?? do you have PROOF? if not then it's just the same old bashing with no basis.. By the way they sell PSA and SGC cards too...
Also, I know some of the Vintage cards they have auctioned crossed well to PSA and SGC gaining up to 2 point grade bumps
<< <i>I challenge anybody on these boards to let me send them 25 modern cards 1990-present among them will be 3 sheet cut cards if you can pick the 3 out I'll paypal you 50.00 seems easy enough right? oh yeah and if you're wrong you paypal me the 50.00 we can have one of the more "respected members" know which the 3 sheet cuts are before hand to keep things fair
Make it 3 out of 25 pre-1990 and I'll take you up on it
<< <i>lol, is there really a soccer registry? >>
Yeah - its PSA's sorry attempt to compete with Beckett.
Actually it shows how retarded their knowledge is ... like Babe Cobb and Ty Ruth Fleeratopps cards.
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<< <i>I like the 4 grades beckett gives. This way you know why your minty fresh card didn't get that PSA 10. >>
Didn't Beckett stop giving out the 4 grade report card on the back of the slab? >>
Yes they did but they moved the subgrades to the front of the flip instead.
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Actually, for vintage grading (BVG) they no longer include the sub-grades...either on the front or back.
<< <i>Beckett may grade sheet cut cards, but at least you are getting a card and not a deskjet printer special.
The Beckett holder is the most secure in the hobby and with the scams going on right now, that matters a LOT. >>
i always laugh when someone brings up the holder...the BGS "tank" is a piece of junk....they use optically imperfect plastic that shields the card from true view and scratches show up so much...
sure its sturdy, it will defend against all those card pirates trying to break open your case, cause we know those pirates are everywhere and we need to put our cards behind steel curtain (or cheap thick plastic)
...to answer your question, see you much lower a BGS 8.5 sells for than a PSA 9 not even close!.......maybe 33% of the price
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<< <i>Beckett may grade sheet cut cards, but at least you are getting a card and not a deskjet printer special.
The Beckett holder is the most secure in the hobby and with the scams going on right now, that matters a LOT. >>
i always laugh when someone brings up the holder...the BGS "tank" is a piece of junk....they use optically imperfect plastic that shields the card from true view and scratches show up so much...
sure its sturdy, it will defend against all those card pirates trying to break open your case, cause we know those pirates are everywhere and we need to put our cards behind steel curtain (or cheap thick plastic)
...to answer your question, see you much lower a BGS 8.5 sells for than a PSA 9 not even close!.......maybe 33% of the price >>
I would take the Beckett "tank" over the PSA "Yugo" ....
and I don't plan to sell my cards.
I'm not sure how Beckett slabs can get scratched and PSA cannot ? I put my slabs in a plastic sleeve.
<< <i>i always laugh when someone brings up the holder...the BGS "tank" is a piece of junk.... >>
If BGS holders are a piece of junk, what does that make PSA holders?
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<< <i>BGS holder takes up 3x the space of a PSA holder and has 40% less value than that of a comprable graded PSA card. You do the math; my advice would be if you live in the "projects" go with BGS, otherwise PSA is the way better bet. >>
It depends really... You can be "smart" and use all 3 PSA,SGC,BGS for different stuff cause each company has certain cards that sell for much more than the other..
If I were selling high grade "key cards" from say 1988 fleer Basketball I would choose BGS over PSA all day.. Rodman, Pippen, Miller, and Jordan will sell for double in BGS 9.5 over PSA 10 gaurenteed ...
But if a guy wanted to sell some topps minis or OPC's PSA is the obvious bet..
Not all collectors are SLAVES to one company and choose to use all resources when it comes to slabbing.. Does this mean they are from the projects? lol.. no It means they did their homework and know what slab is best for resale....
If it's a card you just want protection for and don't care about money or resale and never plan on selling I don't understand why a guy would not use BGS?? another point not brought up is it's the only slab that has UV protection...
Some of you guys take these slabs WAY too serious lol.... rather than be all huffy puffy a guy likes a different slab than you and throw insults you should welcome them around to talk CARDS anytime.. this is a HOBBY right? not a war lol... some of you act like if you're not on my side you are a enemy..kinda strange to me..
Have fun collecting a brand of slab.. I'll have fun collecting cards...
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<< <i>BGS holder takes up 3x the space of a PSA holder and has 40% less value than that of a comprable graded PSA card. You do the math; my advice would be if you live in the "projects" go with BGS, otherwise PSA is the way better bet. >>
It depends really... You can be "smart" and use all 3 PSA,SGC,BGS for different stuff cause each company has certain cards that sell for much more than the other..
If I were selling high grade "key cards" from say 1988 fleer Basketball I would choose BGS over PSA all day.. Rodman, Pippen, Miller, and Jordan will sell for double in BGS 9.5 over PSA 10 gaurenteed ...
But if a guy wanted to sell some topps minis or OPC's PSA is the obvious bet..
Not all collectors are SLAVES to one company and choose to use all resources when it comes to slabbing.. Does this mean they are from the projects? lol.. no It means they did their homework and know what slab is best for resale....
If it's a card you just want protection for and don't care about money or resale and never plan on selling I don't understand why a guy would not use BGS?? another point not brought up is it's the only slab that has UV protection...
Some of you guys take these slabs WAY too serious lol.... rather than be all huffy puffy a guy likes a different slab than you and throw insults you should welcome them around to talk CARDS anytime.. this is a HOBBY right? not a war lol... some of you act like if you're not on my side you are a enemy..kinda strange to me..
Have fun collecting a brand of slab.. I'll have fun collecting cards... >>
Well put, not sure where 1960toppsguy is getting his info from but looking at some of my psa slabs compared to BGS, the BGS are about 30% bigger, not 300% and the 40% less value statement is just as crazy. 'Buy the card not the holder'...
<< <i>Not all collectors are SLAVES to one company and choose to use all resources when it comes to slabbing.. Does this mean they are from the projects? lol.. no It means they did their homework and know what slab is best for resale....
If it's a card you just want protection for and don't care about money or resale and never plan on selling I don't understand why a guy would not use BGS?? another point not brought up is it's the only slab that has UV protection...
Some of you guys take these slabs WAY too serious lol.... rather than be all huffy puffy a guy likes a different slab than you and throw insults you should welcome them around to talk CARDS anytime.. this is a HOBBY right? not a war lol... some of you act like if you're not on my side you are a enemy..kinda strange to me..
Have fun collecting a brand of slab.. I'll have fun collecting cards... >>
If one company openly grades sheet cut and hence trimmed cards, the slab becomes very important.
For modern cards, autos, refractors, patches, there's nothing wrong with BGS.
And for that rare collector who can be absolutely certain that he'll never sell his cards, you are right, the slab does not matter. But I don't know if those people exist. How can you say with certainty that you won't want to sell in 10 years? If you do ever sell, and plan to do it online, you better have it slabbed by the right company, or you'll leave a lot of money on the table.
Collectors of anything pre-1980s are mainly concerned that their cards are unaltered and authentic. Beckett is not concerned with alterations. So the slab does indeed matter. Most collectors are not slaves to PSA, as you suggest. They have just chosen to use the company that most effectively guarantees the unaltered and authentic status of their cards.
And BTW, I'll still take you up on your offer of pre-1990 sheet-cuts if you're interested.
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<< <i>Not all collectors are SLAVES to one company and choose to use all resources when it comes to slabbing.. Does this mean they are from the projects? lol.. no It means they did their homework and know what slab is best for resale....
If it's a card you just want protection for and don't care about money or resale and never plan on selling I don't understand why a guy would not use BGS?? another point not brought up is it's the only slab that has UV protection...
Some of you guys take these slabs WAY too serious lol.... rather than be all huffy puffy a guy likes a different slab than you and throw insults you should welcome them around to talk CARDS anytime.. this is a HOBBY right? not a war lol... some of you act like if you're not on my side you are a enemy..kinda strange to me..
Have fun collecting a brand of slab.. I'll have fun collecting cards... >>
If one company openly grades sheet cut and hence trimmed cards, the slab becomes very important.
For modern cards, autos, refractors, patches, there's nothing wrong with BGS.
And for that rare collector who can be absolutely certain that he'll never sell his cards, you are right, the slab does not matter. But I don't know if those people exist. How can you say with certainty that you won't want to sell in 10 years? If you do ever sell, and plan to do it online, you better have it slabbed by the right company, or you'll leave a lot of money on the table.
Collectors of anything pre-1980s are mainly concerned that their cards are unaltered and authentic. Beckett is not concerned with alterations. So the slab does indeed matter. Most collectors are not slaves to PSA, as you suggest. They have just chosen to use the company that most effectively guarantees the unaltered and authentic status of their cards.
And BTW, I'll still take you up on your offer of pre-1990 sheet-cuts if you're interested. >>
Lol... you just don't know the mess of trimmed cards in ALL holders period.... There's been tons of threads on here showing altered cards in slabs but the threads POOF if it's a certain company the rest can stick around for all to see
I never made an offer of Pre-1990 sheet cuts.. could you point that out to me?? If so I'll paypal you the funds right now to save on shipping lol.. it said 1990 to present..
If you want to show your grading skills PM me your address ect.. I'll set something up 1980's and prior just for fun the only condition is the results need to be posted for all to see..
<< <i>Arguably, 'the greatest card in the hobby' in the hobby is a sheet cut, graded by who?, case closed. Trimmed cards are a bigger problem in one company's case than in BGS. I collect PSA and BGS, pretty much equally. The BGS misinformation just seems endless though. Even if the sheet cut test is done I wouldn't say it means squat, unless you are a PSA grader. I own some trimmed PSA cards, it happens, I don't dwell on it, but to call out one company 100% over another is silly, it's a industry problem, it's tough to detect. >>
Absolutely, completely agree.
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The issue of sheet cuts and trimmed cards is not nearly the problem for modern as it is for vintage.
Vintage, a small edge trim can mean hundreds of dollars in many, many instances. There's not nearly the incentive to trim modern cards that more often than not come out of a pack gem, or mint at worst. The value of modern is mainly tied up in the auto on the card, or the patch on the card, or its 1/1 status. Condition is secondary, especially since they are very rarely found less than mint. Quad-auto, patch-infused xfractors, or any other modern garbage are essentially made of white plastic stock and therefore virtually impossible to tell sheet cut (trimmed) vs. pack distributed. For that reason, finding 3 sheet cuts out of 25 would be virtually impossible and is a silly proposition.
Pre-1990, however, can be discerned. And if a certain TPG's position is that they don't examine that part of the card for alterations, this is why collectors begin to prefer one TPG over another. No one is suggesting that 100% of alterations or sheet cuts are caught by PSA. But I wouldn't be surprised if they correctly identify 7-8 out of 10. And I can absolutely guarantee that PSA catches a hell of a lot more than Beckett catches, which is zero.
<< <i>What the hell do my grading skills have to do with anything? I took you up on an offer you made, but I suggested a change in the offer to one that makes a lot more sense. This is why:
The issue of sheet cuts and trimmed cards is not nearly the problem for modern as it is for vintage.
Vintage, a small edge trim can mean hundreds of dollars in many, many instances. There's not nearly the incentive to trim modern cards that more often than not come out of a pack gem, or mint at worst. The value of modern is mainly tied up in the auto on the card, or the patch on the card, or its 1/1 status. Condition is secondary, especially since they are very rarely found less than mint. Quad-auto, patch-infused xfractors, or any other modern garbage are essentially made of white plastic stock and therefore virtually impossible to tell sheet cut (trimmed) vs. pack distributed. For that reason, finding 3 sheet cuts out of 25 would be virtually impossible and is a silly proposition.
Pre-1990, however, can be discerned. And if a certain TPG's position is that they don't examine that part of the card for alterations, this is why collectors begin to prefer one TPG over another. No one is suggesting that 100% of alterations or sheet cuts are caught by PSA. But I wouldn't be surprised if they correctly identify 7-8 out of 10. And I can absolutely guarantee that PSA catches a hell of a lot more than Beckett catches, which is zero. >>
Ok genius... you took me up on my original offer?? NO.. you did not you changed my offer then asked me to accept...
You ask "what the hell do my grading skills have to do with anything???
Well hmm let me see... can you identify a trimmed card?? you claim you can identify a sheet cut from a pre 1990 card so then you should be able to distinguish a trimmed one correct???
You want to shoot your mouth off back it up skippy
PS.. you want to take me up on my offer of some pre 1990's stuff PM your info I'll send over 15 cards tell me which 3 are altered (just for fun of course) since pre 1990 stuff is so easy to tell..
<< <i>What the hell do my grading skills have to do with anything? I took you up on an offer you made, but I suggested a change in the offer to one that makes a lot more sense. This is why:
The issue of sheet cuts and trimmed cards is not nearly the problem for modern as it is for vintage.
Vintage, a small edge trim can mean hundreds of dollars in many, many instances. There's not nearly the incentive to trim modern cards that more often than not come out of a pack gem, or mint at worst. The value of modern is mainly tied up in the auto on the card, or the patch on the card, or its 1/1 status. Condition is secondary, especially since they are very rarely found less than mint. Quad-auto, patch-infused xfractors, or any other modern garbage are essentially made of white plastic stock and therefore virtually impossible to tell sheet cut (trimmed) vs. pack distributed. For that reason, finding 3 sheet cuts out of 25 would be virtually impossible and is a silly proposition.
Pre-1990, however, can be discerned. And if a certain TPG's position is that they don't examine that part of the card for alterations, this is why collectors begin to prefer one TPG over another. No one is suggesting that 100% of alterations or sheet cuts are caught by PSA. But I wouldn't be surprised if they correctly identify 7-8 out of 10. And I can absolutely guarantee that PSA catches a hell of a lot more than Beckett catches, which is zero. >>
This just flat-out isn't true. For some reason (I don't know why), Beckett distinguished between sheet cuts and trimmed cards. If you send Beckett a handful of 1984T Dan Marinos which have all had a small haircut they will reject them, even if they measure up. If you send them a sheet cut Marino, they will (I guess) slab it, although I have no idea why they think this distinction is meaningful.
15 cards- pre 1990- tell me which 3 are trimmed = easy right?
EDIT to ADD = I can have them shipped tommorow with dc and you should have them monday we will then make a thread with results..
<< <i>Ok genius... you took me up on my original offer?? NO.. you did not you changed my offer then asked me to accept...
I was suggesting you change your original proposition to one that makes sense. Trimmed modern looks just like un-trimmed modern. It's a stupid experiment. Conduct the experiment using a batch of cards from the era where it's much more of a problem.
You ask "what the hell do my grading skills have to do with anything???
Well hmm let me see... can you identify a trimmed card?? you claim you can identify a sheet cut from a pre 1990 card so then you should be able to distinguish a trimmed one correct???
No, grading a card is not the same as identifying an alteration. Determining if a card is EXMT or NMT is a different skill. Hence my question - what does grading a card have to do with finding evidence of trimming?
I'm not sure if disagreeing with you qualifies as "shooting my mouth off".
Send me the cards. I can identify them. Make them good. PM sent
<< <i>This just flat-out isn't true. For some reason (I don't know why), Beckett distinguished between sheet cuts and trimmed cards. If you send Beckett a handful of 1984T Dan Marinos which have all had a small haircut they will reject them, even if they measure up. If you send them a sheet cut Marino, they will (I guess) slab it, although I have no idea why they think this distinction is meaningful. >>
How do they distinguish a sheet cut? On the flip? I saw several 1976 sheet cuts on ebay a couple years ago, including a 550 Aaron. I asked the seller and he said that was the reason he had them graded by BVG - they will grade them, while PSA will not.
EDIT: I mean the contest
<< <i>this needs a new thread since it doesn't really have much to do with psa and bgs...
EDIT: I mean the contest >>
I agree.. hammered PM'ed me his info will get cards ready and make a new thread this evening lol..
Ive had a few 72 topps card rejected by Beckett for being trimmed
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<< <i>This just flat-out isn't true. For some reason (I don't know why), Beckett distinguished between sheet cuts and trimmed cards. If you send Beckett a handful of 1984T Dan Marinos which have all had a small haircut they will reject them, even if they measure up. If you send them a sheet cut Marino, they will (I guess) slab it, although I have no idea why they think this distinction is meaningful. >>
How do they distinguish a sheet cut? On the flip? I saw several 1976 sheet cuts on ebay a couple years ago, including a 550 Aaron. I asked the seller and he said that was the reason he had them graded by BVG - they will grade them, while PSA will not. >>
I have no idea, but they do. I've got a stack of cards here, maybe 12-15 or so, that all measure up, and that have been rejected by both PSA and BGS. I have used different rules on them, and there is no doubt that they are all 2.5x3.5.
Another way to approach the issue is this: If BGS slabbed anything that measured up, what do you think would happen to the population of key RC's in BGS 9.5 holders? Kevin Burge would have an Ebay store that was literally filled with 10's of 1000's of RC's of Murray, Molitor, Henderson, Elway, A-Rod and Jeter SP, and so on.
<< <i>Hammered acts like BGS grades trimmed cards all the time
Ive had a few 72 topps card rejected by Beckett for being trimmed >>
I have no idea how many they grade.
Look, if you're comfortable sending vintage cards to BVG, go right ahead. They are your cards. I wouldn't and I have a specific reason for it.
The OP was seeking opinions as to the differences between BGS and PSA.
My opinion, and yes it's only my opinion, is that PSA does a far superior job catching alterations, especially trimmed cards in vintage years.
I also know for a positive fact that the edges on a sheet-cut card, since it was recently cut, are virtually identical to the edges on a trimmed card recently cut.
So if a TPG has a more lenient policy of putting sheet-cut cards into slabs, it stands to reason that they would have more difficulty rejecting trims.
I haven't seen the Beckett grading guidelines in awhile, but I do remember that they used to have no official statement regarding rejection of sheet-cut cards.
<< <i>Hammered acts like BGS grades trimmed cards all the time
Ive had a few 72 topps card rejected by Beckett for being trimmed >>
its true....why do you think BGS 10 values have tanked?