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Tuff Stuff wants to know whats wrong with the hobby......

MinorLeagueSourceMinorLeagueSource Posts: 661 ✭✭
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Recently, Tuff Stuff has taken it upon themselves to go over what readers think is wrong with the hobby and to look for possible solutions.

Of course I wrote about a l the fakes.


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Buying or trading for these signed Jeter rc's:
1992 GCL, 93 Stadium Club, 93 Greensboro,, 93 South Atlantic League, 93 Topps Marlins & Rockies,, 94 Classic Tampa, 94 Procards Tampa, 94 Florida State League & 95 Columbus Clippers.

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  • DonWestFanDonWestFan Posts: 25
    I'm glad that you've taken it upon yourself to start policing the hobby, but is there anything you actually enjoy about the hobby other than snitching on the bad guys?
  • PinkcatfishPinkcatfish Posts: 377 ✭✭
    How about if they just focus on what's wrong with TUFF STUFF itself before analyzing the hobby - Can't even remember when I last saw an issue but at one time I actually had a subscription.
  • BarfvaderBarfvader Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭✭
    I believe that what's wrong with the hobby is very simple in that it's not a hobby for most people that are involved.

    Hobby :an activity or interest pursued for pleasure or relaxation and not as a main occupation.



    Jeff

    Miscut Museum

    My Mess

  • MinorLeagueSourceMinorLeagueSource Posts: 661 ✭✭


    << <i>I'm glad that you've taken it upon yourself to start policing the hobby, but is there anything you actually enjoy about the hobby other than snitching on the bad guys? >>



    Things I collect:

    Signed Baseball America's
    Minor League Signed Line Up Cards
    Jose A Pujols Signed Items
    Jeter Auto's
    Bo Jackson Auto's
    Albert Belle Rare Auto's
    Hank Blalock Minor League or Rookie Auto's
    Ryan Howard Signed Minor League Items
    Joe Mauer Signed Minor League Items
    Mark Teixeira Signed Minor League Items
    Signed Roookie Cards of All Top Prospects or Major League Stars on Authentic Minor League Cards from Team Sets


    Want to start collecting:
    Tiger Woods auto's
    Signed Football Rookie Cards (Just guys from 1970 year I was born til 2001)
    Ali SIgned Cards


    Best regards!
    Buying or trading for these signed Jeter rc's:
    1992 GCL, 93 Stadium Club, 93 Greensboro,, 93 South Atlantic League, 93 Topps Marlins & Rockies,, 94 Classic Tampa, 94 Procards Tampa, 94 Florida State League & 95 Columbus Clippers.

  • CrimsonTiderCrimsonTider Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭
    Not enough cards produced in the 80's. Supply will never meet the demand.
    collecting Dale Murphy and OPC
  • cwazzycwazzy Posts: 3,257 ✭


    << <i>I'm glad that you've taken it upon yourself to start policing the hobby, but is there anything you actually enjoy about the hobby other than snitching on the bad guys? >>



    Who pissed in your Cheerios this morning?
    Chris
    My small collection
    Want List:
    '61 Topps Roy Campanella in PSA 5-7
    Cardinal T206 cards
    Adam Wainwright GU Jersey
  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,236 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I believe that what's wrong with the hobby is very simple in that it's not a hobby for most people that are involved.

    Hobby :an activity or interest pursued for pleasure or relaxation and not as a main occupation. >>


    I think we have a winner.

    Tabe
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "...what readers think is wrong with the hobby and to look for possible solutions..."

    /////////////////////////////

    Seems funny to ask "what's wrong," when an economic depression
    has so many folks on their knees.

    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • nightcrawlernightcrawler Posts: 5,110 ✭✭

    4sc
  • MinorLeagueSourceMinorLeagueSource Posts: 661 ✭✭


    << <i>I believe that what's wrong with the hobby is very simple in that it's not a hobby for most people that are involved.

    Hobby :an activity or interest pursued for pleasure or relaxation and not as a main occupation. >>



    The hobby ascpect is out the door when a lot of people base there living on it.
    Buying or trading for these signed Jeter rc's:
    1992 GCL, 93 Stadium Club, 93 Greensboro,, 93 South Atlantic League, 93 Topps Marlins & Rockies,, 94 Classic Tampa, 94 Procards Tampa, 94 Florida State League & 95 Columbus Clippers.

  • csmtampacsmtampa Posts: 1,828 ✭
    mintacular

    bubbleboy
  • nightcrawlernightcrawler Posts: 5,110 ✭✭


    << <i>is there anything you actually enjoy about the hobby other than snitching on the bad guys? >>




    Reporting the bad guys isn't snitching.
  • fiveninerfiveniner Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭
    its not a hobby any more.
    Tony(AN ANGEL WATCHES OVER ME)
  • Nathaniel1960Nathaniel1960 Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I will tell you what is wrong with Tuff Stuff.

    - Very little content.
    - Irrelevant card dealer advertisers.
    - No inserts anymore.
    - Outdated pricing information.
    - Tiny Font.
    - Print ink gets on your hands.
    Kiss me once, shame on you.
    Kiss me twice.....let's party.
  • BarfvaderBarfvader Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I believe that what's wrong with the hobby is very simple in that it's not a hobby for most people that are involved.

    Hobby :an activity or interest pursued for pleasure or relaxation and not as a main occupation. >>



    The hobby ascpect is out the door when a lot of people base there living on it. >>



    Then it's not a hobby for those. It's an investment or business.

    Your thread title asks what's wrong with the hobby and not what's wrong with industry of sports collectibles so I stand by my answer. image

    Jeff

    Miscut Museum

    My Mess

  • zep33zep33 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭
    not enough Dice-K cards
  • ripkenintheminorsripkenintheminors Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭


    << <i>"...what readers think is wrong with the hobby and to look for possible solutions..."

    /////////////////////////////

    Seems funny to ask "what's wrong," when an economic depression
    has so many folks on their knees. >>



    I can agree with this.

    When they ask "what's wrong" is there a specific area or the hobby as a whole?
    -Chris

    image
    Ripken in the Minors * Ripken in the Minors Facebook Page
  • swartz1swartz1 Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭


    << <i>mintacular

    bubbleboy >>



    image
    where did she go?


    Looking for 1970 MLB Photostamps
    - uncut


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  • jimradjimrad Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭
    If you are really in this as a hobby it has never been better. There are tremendous deals out there to build on your collections.
    If you are trying to make money ISTHTY...image
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  • calaban7calaban7 Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>mintacular

    bubbleboy >>




    image These two remind me of Cheech and Chong's skit - " earache my eye " in mentality and posting.
    " In a time of universal deceit , telling the truth is a revolutionary act " --- George Orwell
  • schr1stschr1st Posts: 1,677 ✭✭
    I'm glad to see that Tuff Stuff is looking to do an article about it. I'm sure all 5 of their readers will benefit from it.
    Who is Rober Maris?
  • mcadamsmcadams Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If you are really in this as a hobby it has never been better. There are tremendous deals out there to build on your collections.
    If you are trying to make money ISTHTY...image >>



    What the heck does ISTHTY mean? I don't text and I feel like the clueless old guy.
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  • mmsportscardsmmsportscards Posts: 807 ✭✭

    When players started demanding money to sign...............Like steak dinner and drinks wasnt good enough.......
  • KatsCardsKatsCards Posts: 559
    Tuff Stuff is still in print?



    What's wrong with the hobby? In no particular order:

    Neighborhood card shops are for the most part extinct. Those that went to comics/DVDs/toys/and most importantly an internet presence still survive.

    Kids can't afford a grown ups hobby--what kid wants Topps Total cards?

    The premise of a 'swatch card' and it's value was destroyed when every product had multiple pulls of no name players, or rather players no one collects. I swear every box I've ripped in the past five years has had a Troy Glaus relic card...Same thing for autographs in packs.

    Parallel sets.

    Dealers at shows who go 'by the guide' for pricing when it is never ever accurate.

    Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokemon, Magic, and any other gaming card. Kids putting their money in those (since they are more affordable than the higher tier sports cards) means less money put into sports cards.

    Pack searchers at Walmart/Target. For most casual hobbyists, the only place they can pick up a few packs is at a Mega Store. Nothing is more demoralizing than picking up a few packs, ripping them and finding dinged cards with nail marks in them.

    Redemptions taking years to be fulfilled--and with the wrong player (which is never comparable)

    PEDS--killed a lot of interest

    Exclusive deals with the major sports leagues. I never bought another pack of hockey when the NHL sidled up with UD. The strike didn't help either.

    And Ebay. Yes, Ebay is great for the collector--can buy cards at market value (if the cards aren't shilled up). But think about that kid who had a bunch of cards and went on Ebay only to find that they are worthless. Or the kid that buys one of those 100 dollar packs and tries to sell the pieces off on Ebay only to get less than 10 dollars for them. Losing so much perceived value instantly kills off a lot of would be hobbyists.
  • TheVonTheVon Posts: 2,725 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>If you are really in this as a hobby it has never been better. There are tremendous deals out there to build on your collections.
    If you are trying to make money ISTHTY...image >>



    What the heck does ISTHTY mean? I don't text and I feel like the clueless old guy. >>



    Me too. Except I'm really not that old. Or maybe thinking I'm not old makes me the clueless old guy?
  • diamondmandiamondman Posts: 2,020


    << <i>Recently, Tuff Stuff has taken it upon themselves to go over what readers think is wrong with the hobby and to look for possible solutions.

    What's wrong? It's all the flea market/low ballers ebay buyers that want free shipping, that want to buy everything at 10 to 25 % of market, slime balls that were around in 1983 are still around in 2009. Screw them all just for the fun of it! , make ebay Buy it now or go elsewere! the flea market mentality is what is wrong with this Hobby. I hate everyone just for the record!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    image
  • ssollarsssollars Posts: 933 ✭✭✭✭
    For me, everything changed in the late 80's. Enough said! image
  • diamondmandiamondman Posts: 2,020
    most ebayers remind me of a show I did in your hometown, put 5 dollar bills out for 4.00 a piece and the (flea market /ebayers) would come up and offer 3.00 and since we we not sell them for 3.00 they would walk away, then a 3 year old would come up and buy all of them for 4.00 each and then the slime ballers would come back up an offer 3.25 each for 5.00 dollar bills. Typical Ebay mentality!

    PS: i just want to start a fight so bring it on! sort of reminds of that 78 ryan I had in my case Beckett said it was worth 40.00 bucks , I priced it at 50.00 nobody would buy it and the only offers I had was 50% of book, so I sent it in to PSA and they graded at PSA 9 and then I got 416.00 bucks , once again most people wouldn't know a good deal if it came up and kissed them on the butt.
  • cwazzycwazzy Posts: 3,257 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>If you are really in this as a hobby it has never been better. There are tremendous deals out there to build on your collections.
    If you are trying to make money ISTHTY...image >>



    What the heck does ISTHTY mean? I don't text and I feel like the clueless old guy. >>



    Me too. Except I'm really not that old. Or maybe thinking I'm not old makes me the clueless old guy? >>



    ISTHTY=I'm Sorry This Happened To You image
    Chris
    My small collection
    Want List:
    '61 Topps Roy Campanella in PSA 5-7
    Cardinal T206 cards
    Adam Wainwright GU Jersey
  • fandangofandango Posts: 2,622 ✭


    << <i>I believe that what's wrong with the hobby is very simple in that it's not a hobby for most people that are involved.

    Hobby :an activity or interest pursued for pleasure or relaxation and not as a main occupation. >>



    GREAT POINT


    too many people use it as a vehicle for income..when that happens its not a hobby, its a business and in business there are scoundrels
  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,601 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>........ISTHTY=I'm Sorry This Happened To You image >>



    Not to be confused with either TRIAPD or IWTDMBII.
  • mcadamsmcadams Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>........ISTHTY=I'm Sorry This Happened To You image >>



    Not to be confused with either TRIAPD or IWTDMBII. >>



    WTFDTM?
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    Always buying Bobby Cox inserts. PM me.
  • VintageCardLoverVintageCardLover Posts: 584 ✭
    katskards nailed it on the head.
  • csmtampacsmtampa Posts: 1,828 ✭


    << <i>I believe that what's wrong with the hobby is very simple in that it's not a hobby for most people that are involved.

    Hobby :an activity or interest pursued for pleasure or relaxation and not as a main occupation. >>




    Same situation with every other hobby out there.

  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,261 ✭✭✭✭
    No new young(age) vintage sports card collectors.
  • csmtampacsmtampa Posts: 1,828 ✭


    << <i>No new young(age) vintage sports card collectors. >>




    Bingo! Thats probably one of the best answers right there.

    Most kids, teens, and young adults that collect cards are into modern.

    Between this site and Net54, I can say there are probably only 5-10 people that are under the age of 30.



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