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  • It just makes me sick when I think about how much money I spent on cards from 1987-1993. (It makes me even sicker when I think about the cards I want now that I could buy if I had that money back.) I didn't have the kind of stash this lady's husband did, but I had a lot.

    *most of the cards I ended up simply giving away.
    *what was worth selling, I sold...... for 10 cents on the dollar at most. image
    *I kept a small box of raw cards that are representative of the era, no more than one copy of any one card- and I have a few graded RC's. The only ones that are worth more than about ten bucks are a Griffey UD BGS 9 and a Jeter SP BGS 8.5. Whoopee. I also kept a couple of complete sets that I was not able to bring myself to give away, but I might as well have.


    Hopefully I will not be someday telling a similar story about the vintage graded cards I am collecting now.
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    *Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
  • mcadamsmcadams Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭
    That is one giant pile of carp. If you take the amount of cash you'd get selling all of that on Ebay divided by the amount of time it would take you to sort through everything, the result would be less than minimum wage, so why bother? That being said, if anyone goes to get it, I'll take the 91 Stadium Club baseball Series 1 off your hands. I'll always love those.

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  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    If I felt it was my job to properly ground every person's expectations I came in contact with, I wouldn't get much done.

    I liked this statement.



    For those of you that think this is all worthless junk, it is but it isn't. A 91 Score Nolan Ryan PSA 10 sells for $150+ (that's what you do with 91 score, morgoth). A 91 or 92 Parkhurst Gretzky PSA 10 sells for $100+. Basic set cards of Ripken, Brett, Murphy, Ryan, Schmidt, Raines, all Jordan's, all Gretzky's, and several other cards from junk sets sell well in PSA 10. If I rip 10 boxes of 91 Score and grade 5 Ryan's I'm out about $35. Assuming I have a decent eye for grading I will get at least one 10 and net a $115 profit for an hours worth of work. Multiply that over hundreds of boxes and there's room to make money. If I had the time I'd jump at this lot for $2500 and pull at least $10k out of it over the next year. If you don't believe me I can show you at least 50 auctions over the past 3 months of junk cards from junk 90s sets selling for $75+ in PSA 10.
  • NickMNickM Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭
    mcadams - except that 18 years later, '91 Stadium Club cards have essentially fused together to form bricks in each pack.

    Any card store in the area could make a ready profit if they paid $1000 or so for that whole collection, as long as they had storage space they didn't have to pay to use. Junk wax boxes move well on store shelves if you price them at $5 (some, like the UD boxes, could be priced at $10), and just keep replenishing your supply.

    As for the person who asked what you do with 1991 Score - one series that year has the potential for Mantle autographs.

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  • << <i>mcadams - except that 18 years later, '91 Stadium Club cards have essentially fused together to form bricks in each pack.

    Any card store in the area could make a ready profit if they paid $1000 or so for that whole collection, as long as they had storage space they didn't have to pay to use. Junk wax boxes move well on store shelves if you price them at $5 (some, like the UD boxes, could be priced at $10), and just keep replenishing your supply.

    As for the person who asked what you do with 1991 Score - one series that year has the potential for Mantle autographs.

    Nick >>



    Thats true about the '91 stadium club cards, they stick together. Actually true of any glossy card from the '90's. The cards look nice, but there a pain to unstick.
  • SidePocketSidePocket Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭
    I'd rather get a paper route than work through all that junk looking for 10's, filling out PSA paperwork, submitting, etc. My eyes hurt just thinking about looking at all those cards.

    "Molon Labe"

  • alnavmanalnavman Posts: 4,129 ✭✭✭
    UD French Hockey - $70 box - remember getting a case for $600 at one time later in the 90's and thought it was a bargain.
    UD Football first year - $85 box

    just two numbers off top of my head I remember paying for what is now considered "Junk". Even though there were tons of rookies in the hockey and the football has Favre.....
  • I'm willing to work a little to make some $$, but I don't have time for that much work!
  • I'll paypal someone $500 if they will make a youtube video in front of all the junk wax of yourself performing either "The Humpty Dance" by Digital Underground or "The Gambler" by Kenny Rogers. Both videos have to feature the lady that owns the wax and the Minute Bol SLU in some cappacity.
  • MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    Yeah Lee you assume that you will get gradeable cards out of those boxes. If it was so easy to get 91 Score PSA 10s the pop would explode. Look at an issue that is super tough like 1986 Topps and see how that Ryan now has 18 tens. You telling me 91 Score is tougher than 86 Topps? And if it is as tough why do you think you would get a ten?

    Also if one or two more 10s pop in between the time you bust, sort and grade your cards your new 10 is worth 10 to 20% of what it would have brought.

    I also think that no matter how good your eye is you will get some worthless 8s and 9s back from PSA and therefore cut into any profits from the 10s you might pop.

    Bottom line is you would have to invest alot of cash up front and hope the cards are gradeable and the pop report isn't smashed by the time you sub and sell. Then you still are at the mercy of PSA, and set collectors to recoup your money.

    To some people that kinda thing is fun but to me grading worthless cards and selling them to set collectors who eventually will realize they are overpaying for these kinds of things is not fun to me.
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  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    Yeah Lee you assume that you will get gradeable cards out of those boxes. If it was so easy to get 91 Score PSA 10s the pop would explode. Look at an issue that is super tough like 1986 Topps and see how that Ryan now has 18 tens. You telling me 91 Score is tougher than 86 Topps? And if it is as tough why do you think you would get a ten?

    Also if one or two more 10s pop in between the time you bust, sort and grade your cards your new 10 is worth 10 to 20% of what it would have brought.

    I also think that no matter how good your eye is you will get some worthless 8s and 9s back from PSA and therefore cut into any profits from the 10s you might pop.

    Bottom line is you would have to invest alot of cash up front and hope the cards are gradeable and the pop report isn't smashed by the time you sub and sell. Then you still are at the mercy of PSA, and set collectors to recoup your money.

    To some people that kinda thing is fun but to me grading worthless cards and selling them to set collectors who eventually will realize they are overpaying for these kinds of things is not fun to me.



    I agree to a certain extent. Last year I opened 8-10 boxes of 91 Score and pulled a Ryan 10 along with multiple 10s of Mussina, Cal, Bo, etc...., so it's not that tough of a set. It's one of those sets that everybody assumes is junk so no one bothers with it. It's nowhere near as tough as an 86 Topps. But that's besides the point. Obviously this would take a lot of time and effort, and I would never dive into a buy like this. Two years ago I would've jumped at a collection like this and done well with it. A lot of the 90s stuff is still relatively low pop for the players that matter, so there's definitely money to be made. Most 90s stuff is not that condition sensitive and I've busted enough of it to know there is money to be made as long as you can hit around 40% 10s (which will come with practice submitting). The only point I was making is that it may be junk, but it's not worthless to someone who knows the market.



    To some people that kinda thing is fun but to me grading worthless cards and selling them to set collectors who eventually will realize they are overpaying for these kinds of things is not fun to me.

    To me a 15 cent card in a PSA 10 slab is worth 15 cents, but if someone wants to pay $75 for that 15 cent card I'm certainly not going to stop them. This PSA 10 premium that we've been witnessing for 10 years is obviously a fad and can't continue, but if people want to throw their money away on stuff I place no value on I'm not going to turn down their money.
  • The time, effort, and money it takes for a player to collector to pull a PSA 10 of any card is well worth the $75 they'll pay for it. A profit can be made from that hoard, it's what effort we are willing to put into it and whether or not she would accept the offer.
  • MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    Lee I agree that there is money to be made there but how much is unknown. Obviously you have done more work in that area than me I just think its crazy.

    The point about player and set collectors just wanting to check the card off and don't want to do the work themselves is valid. However I am just waiting for the 4SC and DSL gang to run out of 70s and 80s and move on into 90s low pops. If I was collecting a player I may wait a year or two for "junk" 10s and see if some bulk guys get into the fray.
    Currently completing the following registry sets: Cardinal HOF's, 1961 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1972 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1980 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, Bill Mazeroski Master & Basic Sets, Roberto Clemente Master & Basic Sets, Willie Stargell Master & Basic Sets and Terry Bradshaw Basic Set
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    The point about player and set collectors just wanting to check the card off and don't want to do the work themselves is valid. However I am just waiting for the 4SC and DSL gang to run out of 70s and 80s and move on into 90s low pops. If I was collecting a player I may wait a year or two for "junk" 10s and see if some bulk guys get into the fray.


    The registry collecting contest as a whole defies logic. It's not enough to just have the cards anymore; now they have to be in "perfect" condition as deemed by PSA. Essentially it's PSA manufacturing rarities and collectors convincing themselves they are worth a lot, and there's not a whole lot of rhyme or reason to any of it.
  • MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    I type about the silliness of these guys and I am getting ready to bid on 20 PSA 8s for my 71 FB set. I hope I do better than last time when I averaged over 20 bucks a common.

    As collectors sometimes value and common sense doesn't factor into your need to have it.
    Currently completing the following registry sets: Cardinal HOF's, 1961 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1972 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1980 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, Bill Mazeroski Master & Basic Sets, Roberto Clemente Master & Basic Sets, Willie Stargell Master & Basic Sets and Terry Bradshaw Basic Set
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    As collectors sometimes value and common sense doesn't factor into your need to have it.

    True. My thirst for 90s parallels has sent me head first into the 1996 Flair Legacy basketball set where commons routinely go for $5-$10, Jordan's go for $700+, Kobe (a player I hate) rookies go for $1200 and every guy in the set has 3 different cards. So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise.


  • << <i>If I felt it was my job to properly ground every person's expectations I came in contact with, I wouldn't get much done.

    I liked this statement.



    For those of you that think this is all worthless junk, it is but it isn't. A 91 Score Nolan Ryan PSA 10 sells for $150+ (that's what you do with 91 score, morgoth). A 91 or 92 Parkhurst Gretzky PSA 10 sells for $100+. Basic set cards of Ripken, Brett, Murphy, Ryan, Schmidt, Raines, all Jordan's, all Gretzky's, and several other cards from junk sets sell well in PSA 10. If I rip 10 boxes of 91 Score and grade 5 Ryan's I'm out about $35. Assuming I have a decent eye for grading I will get at least one 10 and net a $115 profit for an hours worth of work. Multiply that over hundreds of boxes and there's room to make money. If I had the time I'd jump at this lot for $2500 and pull at least $10k out of it over the next year. If you don't believe me I can show you at least 50 auctions over the past 3 months of junk cards from junk 90s sets selling for $75+ in PSA 10. >>



    And let's not forget that there's a chance that some boxes may contain rare errors and variations. 1990 Fleer Baseball, 1990-1991 Pro Set, 1990-91 Pro Set Hockey, 1986-1991 Topps baseball, 1990-1991 Upper Deck baseball all have valuable ($50+) and rare error and variation cards.

    As a collector who started in 1990 and vividly remembers what was hot and valuable then, this would provide a lot of fun just in nostalgia alone. I would definitely enjoy pouring through all of that stuff.
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  • i have a friend who recently showed me his collection he spent well over $10,000 on, and when he first toled me about his collection he was really excited and told me he started collectiong in the early 80's, well i knew he collected all sports except hockey so i was excirted because i thought he might have some eary to mid 80's basketball......nope the earliest he had was 89 basketball. the only valueble thing he has is a set of 89 upperdeck baseball.
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  • SheamasterSheamaster Posts: 542 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'd be interested in a road trip. I'm in Chicago. Could we get a few board members to meet, pony up some $$$ and then have a draft in the basement where we take turns picking stuff? Might make for a fun afternoon. I'd bring the beers. We'd need to get the kid out of there (no alcohol).

    She wanted $5,000? What if we get her down to $2,500 cash and five of us pony up $500 each? Just a thought. >>




    I'm in Chicago as welll and would probably throw in $250-$500.
  • jswietonjswieton Posts: 2,870 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I'd be interested in a road trip. I'm in Chicago. Could we get a few board members to meet, pony up some $$$ and then have a draft in the basement where we take turns picking stuff? Might make for a fun afternoon. I'd bring the beers. We'd need to get the kid out of there (no alcohol).

    She wanted $5,000? What if we get her down to $2,500 cash and five of us pony up $500 each? Just a thought. >>




    I'm in Chicago as welll and would probably throw in $250-$500. >>



    I am in Chicago too. I would be willing to do something like that. I don't know about $500 but $250 would be fun.
  • SDSportsFanSDSportsFan Posts: 5,148 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>yeah I think a match and some gasoline would be a better solution. Right now the best thing would be to bust all that junk wax and hope you can hit an auto card or elite card (odds are astoundingly bad) and sell the singles versus trying to get 10 bucks a box for it.

    What do you do with 1991 Score? >>




    You pull a PSA 10 Nolan Ryan #4 and sell it to me! (I need it!!) image



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  • BunkerBunker Posts: 3,926
    I'm not in Chicago, but I have friends there...I would also pay $250
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  • EchoCanyonEchoCanyon Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭
    I'll pay $250, too.
  • halosfanhalosfan Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭✭
    I had no idea there were so many folks from the Chicago area here
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  • jswietonjswieton Posts: 2,870 ✭✭✭
    I will contact the women tomorrow and see if she will work on the price with us. It would be fun if we had some sort of group buy where we take turns picking items.
  • Since I live in the Chicagoland area I could probably be talked into this group mega buy!
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  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭
    If you guys all pitched in for this, how would you go about splitting it all up?


  • << <i>If you guys all pitched in for this, how would you go about splitting it all up? >>



    fantasy draft... with the first pick in the old lady buy out - John takes the 1st 1991 score box
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  • SheamasterSheamaster Posts: 542 ✭✭✭
    I've been trying to figure out the autograph on the basketball. I think it may be "Glen Robinson #13", but can't figure out why he would have signed a maroon/gold ball - maybe a charity event?
  • Nathaniel1960Nathaniel1960 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>If you guys all pitched in for this, how would you go about splitting it all up? >>



    fantasy draft is the way to go... with the first pick in the old lady buy out - John takes the 1st 1991 score box >>



    Agreed....snake draft. Naturally I get second pick for coming up with the idea. image

    bbcemporium gets first....his find. Assuming he's still interested.

    Looking over the pics, I think it may make sense to do all wax, then all sets, then singles (lots), then oddballs like SLUs?? JMO.
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  • Nathaniel1960Nathaniel1960 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭✭
    BUMP to say the wife nixed my participation. Good luck to the rest of you. Hope you find some 1991 Topps Desert Storm sets tucked away in that pile of stuff.
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  • digdugdigdug Posts: 216 ✭✭
    We doing this or what
  • jswietonjswieton Posts: 2,870 ✭✭✭


    << <i>We doing this or what >>



    I called her today and left a message. I will try and call again tomorrow if I don't hear back from her first.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise. >>



    Sig line material.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • dpucciodpuccio Posts: 117 ✭✭


    << <i>

    And let's not forget that there's a chance that some boxes may contain rare errors and variations. 1990 Fleer Baseball, 1990-1991 Pro Set, 1990-91 Pro Set Hockey, 1986-1991 Topps baseball, 1990-1991 Upper Deck baseball all have valuable ($50+) and rare error and variation cards.
    >>




    I just came across about 10 boxes of 1990 Pro Set Series 1 for $9.99 a box. Is there any way to tell which boxes may have variations or could they be found in any boxes? Thanks

  • EAsportsEAsports Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭
    If you guys go through with buying it, you could probably do the old "shove as many packs/cards as you can get into a flat rate box for $50" routine and sell quite a few.

    I'd buy one or two just for giggles/holiday opening.
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  • I'm resurrecting this thread to find out the end of the story: did you guys end up buying this collection? Were any gems found? Any profit made?
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  • jmmiller777jmmiller777 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭
    CURRENT PROJECTS IN WORK:
    To be honest, no direction, but...
    1966-69 Topps EX+
    1975 minis NrMt Kelloggs PSA 9
    All Topps Heritage-Master Sets
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  • jmmiller777jmmiller777 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭
    CURRENT PROJECTS IN WORK:
    To be honest, no direction, but...
    1966-69 Topps EX+
    1975 minis NrMt Kelloggs PSA 9
    All Topps Heritage-Master Sets
    image
  • DDaniel83DDaniel83 Posts: 203 ✭✭
    What a cool thread....What happened?
  • richtreerichtree Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭
    yeah ?????????????
    Buying:
    Topps White Out (silver) letters Alex Gordon
    80 Topps Greg Pryor “No Name"
    90 ProSet Dexter Manley error
    90 Topps Jeff King Yellow back
    1958 Topps Pancho Herrera (no“a”)
    81 Topps Art Howe (black smear above hat)
    91 D A. Hawkins BC-12 “Pitcher”
  • PorkinsPorkins Posts: 615 ✭✭✭


    << <i> So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise. >>



    Having only seen it in a sig line, I'd always wondered what context this CD's quote had been taken out of....

    It's as wonderful as I had dreamed...
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