What is the most expensive Mickey Mantle card?
frankhardy
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Nobody look. See if you can guess. Hint, it is not the 1952 Topps (at least in raw NM SCD value).
Shane
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Shane
edited to show my lack of knowledge 61 dice game
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Steve
The '52 is so overrated and common!
<< <i>1961 Dice Game and deservedly so.
The '52 is so overrated and common! >>
The '52 is a nice card but I prefer the '51 Bowman (the real RC)
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Are any examples even known in NM?
52 Topps may be 'common' but it is among the most desirable.
Steve
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<< <i>1961 Dice Game and deservedly so.
The '52 is so overrated and common! >>
The '52 is a nice card but I prefer the '51 Bowman (the real RC) >>
1. 1966 Topps Punch-Outs (he had only seen two)
2. 1963 Topps Mantle Plaque/Mask (had only seen one)
3. 1955 Test Stamps
4. 1961 Topps Dice Game
5. 1970 Topps Cloth Experimental Stickers
I would have to concur with Mr. Fisk, as while I do own a '67 Punch-Outs Mantle, I have only seen one '66 Punch-Outs Mantle.
The '61 Dice Game card was destroyed by many of its' owners (mostly kids) merely from continuous handling while playing the game. Since issues like the '61 Dice Game cards were not really considered cards, in a collectible sense of the word, but more of a game piece, many were thrown away with the game.
Yard sales, flea markets and vintage toy auctions/sales are the best places to find such cards. I found my '67 Punch-Outs Mantle on eBay, about a year ago, as part of the complete game.
But no matter how difficult any of these Mantles are ... I will always cherish the 1952 Topps Mantle as the cat's meow. Who on these boards does not want a 52 Mantle?
Let me know in case I ever decide to have a '52 Mantle give-away contest
PoppaJ
As far as the 1966 Punch Out, I only found out about that set recently, and didn't realize until reading the above post that it had a Mantle in it. It does not have a book value. The 1966 Punch Out (get this) is a PROTOTYPE of a RARE TEST ISSUE in 1967 (1967 Topps Punch Outs). In other words, it is a test issue preview of a rare test issue a year later. It is insanely rare.
The 1963 Topps Plaque/Mask may be rare, but it only books for $900.00.
I have never heard of a 1955 Topps Stamp Mantle. It is not even listed in the Standard Catalog.
I have never heard of a 1970 Topps Cloth Mantle, either. It is not listed. The checklist on those two sets must not be fully known. Are you saying that those two DO exist for sure?
Shane
<< <i>My answer to the original post is the 1961 Topp Dice Game. It books for $45,000.
As far as the 1966 Punch Out, I only found out about that set recently, and didn't realize until reading the above post that it had a Mantle in it. It does not have a book value. The 1966 Punch Out (get this) is a PROTOTYPE of a RARE TEST ISSUE in 1967 (1967 Topps Punch Outs). In other words, it is a test issue preview of a rare test issue a year later. It is insanely rare.
The 1963 Topps Plaque/Mask may be rare, but it only books for $900.00.
I have never heard of a 1955 Topps Stamp Mantle. It is not even listed in the Standard Catalog.
I have never heard of a 1970 Topps Cloth Mantle, either. It is not listed. The checklist on those two sets must not be fully known. Are you saying that those two DO exist for sure? >>
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Hi Shane,
Here's a very interesting PSA article about Bob Fisk.
I do know for a fact that the 1955 Topps Stamp Mantle and the 1970 Topps Cloth Mantle both exist.
PoppaJ
<< <i>I'd love to see a scan of that 1970 Cloth Mantle >>
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It's not mine .... but sure wish it was!
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<< <i>My answer to the original post is the 1961 Topp Dice Game. It books for $45,000.
As far as the 1966 Punch Out, I only found out about that set recently, and didn't realize until reading the above post that it had a Mantle in it. It does not have a book value. The 1966 Punch Out (get this) is a PROTOTYPE of a RARE TEST ISSUE in 1967 (1967 Topps Punch Outs). In other words, it is a test issue preview of a rare test issue a year later. It is insanely rare.
The 1963 Topps Plaque/Mask may be rare, but it only books for $900.00.
I have never heard of a 1955 Topps Stamp Mantle. It is not even listed in the Standard Catalog.
I have never heard of a 1970 Topps Cloth Mantle, either. It is not listed. The checklist on those two sets must not be fully known. Are you saying that those two DO exist for sure? >>
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Hi Shane,
Here's a very interesting PSA article about Bob Fisk.
I do know for a fact that the 1955 Topps Stamp Mantle and the 1970 Topps Cloth Mantle both exist.
PoppaJ >>
Great article.
You are saying that they exist. Are you saying that Bob Fisk owns them, or someone else does. The article doesn't say Bob owning the Mantle, just that he has the set/near set.
That list of top 5 rarities were for for sets, not Mantle cards (at least that's the way I took it). Right?
Shane
Yes, both the 1955 Topps Stamp Mantle and the 1970 Topps Cloth Mantle do exist. I have seen both, though not together.
Like Bob, I've always been on a quest for obscure/rare Mantle cards. Up until my wife was killed in an automobile accident in 1995, she and my 4 sons would travel the country with me in search of such cards. There was a regional card show at Moeller High School in Montgomery, Ohio during the early 90s. That is where I met Levi (707) for the 1st time. Al Rosen was also there and many other prominents. It was there that I saw the '70 Cloth Mantle.
The '55 Topps Stamp Mantle that I saw was at one of the Nationals.
My take on the 5 rarities below is that they are cards .... ie: (he has only seen two)...(has only seen one)
Fisk's Top 5 Rarities
1.1966 Topps Punchouts (he has only seen two)
2.1963 Topps Mantle Plaque/Mask (has only seen one)
3.1955 Test Stamps
4.1961 Topps Dice Game
5.1970 Topps Cloth Experimental Stickers
Take care,
PoppaJ
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My take on the 5 rarities below is that they are cards .... ie: (he has only seen two)...(has only seen one)
Fisk's Top 5 Rarities
1.1966 Topps Punchouts (he has only seen two)
2.1963 Topps Mantle Plaque/Mask (has only seen one)
3.1955 Test Stamps
4.1961 Topps Dice Game
5.1970 Topps Cloth Experimental Stickers
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That is my take, too. It is just that I think he was talking about ANY card from that set, and not a Mantle card.
There is not telling how much a 1970 Topps Cloth Mantle would bring on the open market. Same goes for the 1955 Topps Stamp. The 1966 Punchout Mantle is listed in the SCD, but there is no price listed. My guess is that any one of the 3 would bring more than the 1961 Topps Dice Game, wouldn't you agree?
Shane
You're right! The '70 Topps Cloth Mantle would certainly bust out the deep pockets of many. Personally, I would much rather have the Dice Game or Test Stamps since I only collect Mantles from '51 to '69 (not to say I wouldn't pass up the '70 if given a chance
I know it's almost impossible for many of us to phathom what I'm about to tell you, but there are still many, many vintage card collectors out there, that have no intentions of ever having their cards graded. I have a dear friend getting ready to celebrate his 70th birthday this Saturday that has one of the most elite Mantle and Mays card collections that I've ever seen. He also owns a huge collection of gold and silver coins, none of which are graded.
Why it's hard for some to believe that cards do not exist, simply based on them not having been graded or being listed in the POPs, is beyond me. I think the last time I checked, there were less than 950 '52 Topps Mantles graded by PSA. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the number of raw ones, still out there, tops that figure.
PoppaJ
There is no 1955 Topps Test Stamp Mickey Mantle because (simply) there was no 1955 Topps Mantle. All of the '55 stamps match existing cards. And, of course, there isn't a 1970 Topps Cloth Mantle because (wait for it) there was no 1970 Topps Mantle card. All of the 1970 Topps Cloth cards come from 1970 Topps 2nd series cards.
Now, as for the 1966 Topps Punchout Mantle. Yes, that would command a healthy premium when and if it comes up for sale. I don't own one, but I do have a scan (shown below). I would estimate that it would go for between $35,000 and $45,000. I'd still say that the Dice Game Mantle is the most expensive since they've approached those prices for PSA 1s and authentic raw copies. Here's mine.
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While your explanation of why neither card exists today makes a lot of sense, I find it hard to believe that what I saw at the National wasn't there. Of course, I'm not going to discount the possibility of reprints etc, and I certainly can't go back in time to take another look.
Thanks for the info.
PoppaJ
"He has set his personal collecting bar very high by striving to collect every baseball card issued between 1951 and 1991 in high-grade. Surprisingly, he isn't far from reaching that goal. "
<< <i>How crazy is this about Fisk.
"He has set his personal collecting bar very high by striving to collect every baseball card issued between 1951 and 1991 in high-grade. Surprisingly, he isn't far from reaching that goal. " >>
You mean the Fisk that is 3 posts above yours?.
Tabe
I love me some book learnin'
Because there never was a 1955T or 1970T Mantle, and because those test sets were made from existing sheet configurations, they could not have been produced by Topps. Moreover, in my 25 years of cataloging, I never so much as heard a whisper about such items.
Even further, since Kelly Eisenhauer did not include them in his exhaustive study of Mantle cards and collectibles that was serialized in SCD in the last year or so, I can't believe they ever existed; if they did, Eisenhauer would have them, or at least have known about them.
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<< <i>How crazy is this about Fisk.
"He has set his personal collecting bar very high by striving to collect every baseball card issued between 1951 and 1991 in high-grade. Surprisingly, he isn't far from reaching that goal. " >>
You mean the Fisk that is 3 posts above yours?.
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<< <i>PoppaJ . . . respectfully, I have to question your recall. Unless you saw somebody's recent fantasy creations of a 1955 Topps Test Stamp Mantle and 1970 Cloth Sticker Mantle, you're misremembering.
Because there never was a 1955T or 1970T Mantle, and because those test sets were made from existing sheet configurations, they could not have been produced by Topps. Moreover, in my 25 years of cataloging, I never so much as heard a whisper about such items.
Even further, since Kelly Eisenhauer did not include them in his exhaustive study of Mantle cards and collectibles that was serialized in SCD in the last year or so, I can't believe they ever existed; if they did, Eisenhauer would have them, or at least have known about them. >>
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Hi Bob,
Well, I was pretty positive at the time that I made the statement and then after reading bobsbbcards' post, it made me call my son, Justin, to ask him. Justin told me that I was confusing the '55 Test Stamps with the '55 Stahl Meyer. Concerning the '70 Cloth issue, he said he's never heard of it. So .... I'm tucking my tail between my legs on this one with a huge apology for any/all confusion that I might have caused.
Take care,
PoppaJ
What are estimates of the production of each card?
Shane
<< <i>What are estimates of the production of each card? >>
I'd pretty much guarantee under 10 of each, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was less than five.
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<< <i>Hi Bob,
Well, I was pretty positive at the time that I made the statement and then after reading bobsbbcards' post, it made me call my son, Justin, to ask him. Justin told me that I was confusing the '55 Test Stamps with the '55 Stahl Meyer. Concerning the '70 Cloth issue, he said he's never heard of it. So .... I'm tucking my tail between my legs on this one with a huge apology for any/all confusion that I might have caused.
Take care,
PoppaJ >>
50 lashes for you!
Tabe
How about an odd-ball Venezuelan issue?
Kiss me twice.....let's party.
Always looking for Mantle cards such as Stahl Meyer, 1954 Dan Dee, 1959 Bazooka, 1960 Post, 1952 Star Cal Decal, 1952 Tip Top Bread Labels, 1953-54 Briggs Meat, and other Topps, Bowman, and oddball Mantles.
<< <i>I thought that 1970 Topps/Cloth Mantle was a tad far fetched (that's I would have loved to see some evidence) >>
Well, at least we know the truth now. It's good to hear from the ones who truly know. Interesting info that has been shared in this thread, to shine some light on this mattter.
In fact, it's embarrassing to have that $900 NM in the book; I'm going to take it out for 2011 and list the plaque as "Value Undetermined."
By the way, Nathaniel1960, I'm the owner of the 1955 Topps Stamps Charlie White that's pictured in the catalog. The Braves are pretty well represented in the 23 known stamps, with White, Dave Jolly and Jim Pendleton.
I think the Mask should have a price of about $4,000 in NM. I passed on an EX-MT one at the National about eight years ago for $2,000, and haven't regretted it all that much (seemed overpriced at the time). It might be on everyone's want list (as it is mine), but I wonder how many would pay more than $4K for it.
I'd gladly trade seven of the masks for a '66 Mantle Punchout.
Bob
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