1986 topps nolan ryan

illinifan912

has the psa 10 population increased or has demand gone down for it?

csmtampa

Currently a Pop 18

jeffcbay

I'd say $150 is still a lot.

illinifan912

i remember seeing them go for $800+ now they dropped way down

ldferg

wow! pop 18. i can remember when it was 0 not that long ago.

Morgoth

That's what $6 cheap wax and alot of free time will do to a pop report.

scotgreb

IMO this will happen to every modern PSA 10 -- the pop will continue to climb and the value will continue to fall.

This will be a $20 card in the next ten years -- even sooner if 4SC and other bulk submitters get involved.

lsutigers1973

<< <i>wow! pop 18. i can remember when it was 0 not that long ago. >>



Only been about a year.

billwaltonsbeard

I wonder how many of those 18 have been submitted by regular guys like us.

VintageCardLover

i wish i was the one who suckered those first buyers to pay 4 digits! geez
there are still 4 billion boxes of 1986 topps out there to be opened.

digicat

<< <i>I wonder how many of those 18 have been submitted by regular guys like us. >>



I guess it depends on if any "regular guys" decided to burn out their brain cells busting cases upon cases of 1986 Topps wax.

larryallen73

IMO this will happen to every modern PSA 10 -- the pop will continue to climb and the value will continue to fall.

I agree. That is why I have always sold my PSA 10's. Has never made sense to me. I suppose my modern PSA 8's and 9's will be valueless but at least my buy-in was a lot cheaper than a 10!

illinifan912

whats the vcp of them in the past year? around $300?

TheHun

Ae you sure we are not talking about a 1968 and not a 1986 Ryan, right ?

You can have mine ... LOL

CrimsonTider

IMO this will happen to every modern PSA 10 -- the pop will continue to climb and the value will continue to fall

I too agree, however this is good news for player collectors.

I'm able to snag psa 10 Dale Murphys for little more than the grading fees.

I've never been a fan of getting into a bidding war over a 1992 Score PSA 10, and now one can be had for around $5. My Murphy collection may not hold its value over the course of time but I'm not collecting his cards for retirement.

The supply of 80's cards will remain higher than the demand for a very long time, if not forever.

I do believe that within the next 10 years that there will be an upturn of collectors. I believe that many who collected as kids will return to the hobby and collect the same cards that they collected as a child. The explosion of collectors in the 80s was as large as the migration away from collecting in the 90s.

The main collectors in the 80 were preteens and teens who will be hitting midlife crisises in the near future and will try to recapture their childhood. This is where the upturn will happen IMHO.

I feel this will not really cause any inflation in card prices for 80's cards. By the time this happens a low pop 1985 Topps maybe around 50 - 100 if not more. I also believe that we will see a lower price point on grading fees. The deflation of modern 10s will be followed by the reduction in the grading charges.

illinifan912

whats the vcp on them right now?

SDSportsFan

I think the last two on ebay went for around $400 each.


Steve

dizzle

<< <i>has the psa 10 population increased or has demand gone down for it? >>



Hey I noticed yours sold for 132.00 and you recieved positive feedback on ebay and all.

I'm curious though.. How were you able to keep the card after selling it and getting positive feedback?

Reason I ask Is I seen you on another message boards asking people if they thought it would cross to a 9.5 BGS and I see you got the crossover and you are now selling it again..

jeffcbay

oh... snap?

WinPitcher

"The deflation of modern 10s will be followed by the reduction in the grading charges".


I agree with just about everything Crimson said, but I don't believe grading fees will get lower.

How much lower can they go? Also, not every modern 10 will go for cheap, the vast majority but not all.


Certain cards will be hard to find centered, certain Players like Jordan, Gretsky and that type will always carry a premium.

Perhaps not the moon money premiums that we have seen, but surely those will never go for grading fees.


Steve

WinPitcher

Hey I noticed yours sold for 132.00 and you recieved positive feedback on ebay and all.

I'm curious though.. How were you able to keep the card after selling it and getting positive feedback?

Reason I ask Is I seen you on another message boards asking people if they thought it would cross to a 9.5 BGS and I see you got the crossover and you are now selling it again..







Oh snap is right. I'm sure that their is an explanation.


Steve

RipublicaninMass

italianstallionyankees

From CrimsonTider *I feel this will not really cause any inflation in card prices for 80's cards. By the time this happens a low pop 1985 Topps maybe around 50 - 100 if not more. I also believe that we will see a lower price point on grading fees. The deflation of modern 10s will be followed by the reduction in the grading charges.

You know I was thinking that myself cards that were in the overproduced category like 1988 donruss . Psa might run a special for like $2.50 for the grading fees. Probably will not happen but would be cool to display worthless cards in a Psa holder! Maybe it might bring the 1988 Donruss cards back from the graves lol

nam812

<< <i>.......I'm sure that their is an explanation........ >>



There always is..........or a fight..........or a disappearing act...........or all 3.

digicat

He has a few IDs here:

1) bowlfan912
2) illinifan912
3) vezinaautowanted

dizzle

<< <i>He has a few IDs here:

1) bowlfan912
2) illinifan912
3) vezinaautowanted >>



Holy crud lol... after reading some of the stuff from vezinaautowanted I'm not suprised the guy has 3 alts on here..

swartz1

was this the guy selling the brooks rookie with 40/40 centering?

digicat

<< <i>was this the guy selling the brooks rookie with 40/40 centering? >>



I think it was a fake, but yeah, he was trying to sell it.

italianstallionyankees

<< wow! pop 18. i can remember when it was 0 not that long ago. >>


WOW it seemed not long ago this card had a population of 5 psa 10's.
Not long ago didn't someone pay a Cool grand for this card, at the time when it sold for like a thousand or so I went through my complete sealed set searching for the ryan. lol

dizzle

<< <i><< wow! pop 18. i can remember when it was 0 not that long ago. >>


WOW it seemed not long ago this card had a population of 5 psa 10's.
Not long ago didn't someone pay a Cool grand for this card, at the time when it sold for like a thousand or so I went through my complete sealed set searching for the ryan. lol >>



It's pop 20 now.

goraiders

<< <i>

<< <i>.......I'm sure that their is an explanation........ >>



There always is..........or a fight..........or a disappearing act...........or all 3. >>



I'll take disappearing act for $200 alex.

J.R.

ElToroLoco

I'm pretty sure one just sold for over 1k. This one actually looks like a 10.

PSA 10 Ryan

digicat

<< <i>I'm pretty sure one just sold for over 1k. This one actually looks like a 10 >>



The bidding looks far from legit.

c***h( 9 ) US $1,820.00 Nov-21-09 21:14:04 PST
p***h( 5 ) US $1,795.00 Nov-21-09 21:13:27 PST
c***h( 9 ) US $1,200.00 Nov-21-09 21:12:55 PST
p***h( 5 ) US $798.00 Nov-21-09 21:11:22 PST
c***h( 9 ) US $429.00 Nov-21-09 21:08:55 PST
p***h( 5 ) US $371.00 Nov-20-09 19:54:53 PST
r***e( 398) US $326.00 Nov-18-09 07:29:56 PST
p***h( 5 ) US $324.00 Nov-20-09 19:53:23 PST
p***h( 5 ) US $312.00 Nov-20-09 19:53:11 PST
p***h( 5 ) US $294.00 Nov-20-09 19:51:47 PST
p***h( 5 ) US $271.00 Nov-20-09 19:50:39 PST
p***h( 5 ) US $235.00 Nov-20-09 19:49:54 PST
p***h( 5 ) US $226.00 Nov-20-09 19:48:34 PST
p***h( 5 ) US $219.00 Nov-20-09 19:47:27 PST
p***h( 5 ) US $212.00 Nov-20-09 19:47:17 PST
p***h( 5 ) US $205.00 Nov-20-09 19:47:06 PST
p***h( 5 ) US $199.00 Nov-20-09 19:42:24 PST
p***h( 5 ) US $191.00 Nov-20-09 01:45:27 PST
p***h( 5 ) US $185.00 Nov-20-09 01:45:12 PST
p***h( 5 ) US $179.00 Nov-19-09 12:42:46 PST
p***h( 5 ) US $173.00 Nov-19-09 12:42:36 PST
p***h( 5 ) US $165.00 Nov-19-09 09:47:21 PST
p***h( 5 ) US $156.00 Nov-19-09 09:47:12 PST
p***h( 5 ) US $149.00 Nov-19-09 00:00:54 PST
p***h( 5 ) US $139.00 Nov-19-09 00:00:38 PST
p***h( 5 ) US $129.00 Nov-19-09 00:00:20 PST
b***b( 1441) US $120.00 Nov-18-09 17:37:55 PST
v***l( 1647) US $111.86 Nov-17-09 19:29:52 PST

italianstallionyankees

<< <i>I'm pretty sure one just sold for over 1k. This one actually looks like a 10.

PSA 10 Ryan >>




Really? lot of low feedback bidders.... Then again I have had some pretty crazy auctions end for crazy amounts from low feedbackers.

illinifan912

I bought 1 psa 10 nolan ryan and sold it for $132. Then i bought another one for the same price a week later.

that last psa 10 nolan ryan that sold earlier this week for an amazing amount. Shill bidding?

ElToroLoco

That, or the two bidders had money to burn and really liked the card.

digicat

Hey illinifan912, did you get away with passing off that fake 57 Robinson in the tampered SGC slab, or did you have to give the money back?

CDsNuts

There was no shill bidding on the auction. Probably fake bids but definitely not shill. The seller is a quality guy.

nam812

<< <i>There was no shill bidding on the auction. Probably fake bids but definitely not shill. The seller is a quality guy. >>



100% agreed about the seller.

jeffcbay

<< <i>There was no shill bidding on the auction. Probably fake bids but definitely not shill. The seller is a quality guy. >>

jeffcbay

By the way, 40/40 centering is my new favorite term for trimmed cards.

swartz1

I'll ask the obvious and probably get clobbered for it...but what the hey...

The difference between fake bidding and shill bidding is???

nam812

<< <i>The difference between fake bidding and shill bidding is??? >>



I'm interpreting it as fake bidding is done by bidders that arent going to honor their bid, and shill bidding is done by the seller. I've been known to be wrong though.

swartz1

good info to know...guess I am a little naive here yet...

So...

Fake bidding would be done by someone who has the same or similar card?



Glad my boy is sick today and I am home with him...I'm gonna learn me some things...

SDavid

Fake bidding would be done by any loser who feels like screwing around with peoples' auctions for any reason.

I hope the seller got paid for this auction.

CDsNuts

To be honest I might have made up the term fake bidding. I'm not sure if anybody really uses it as a term to describe something. But yeah, nam got the gist of what I was trying to say.

melvin289

<< <i>i wish i was the one who suckered those first buyers to pay 4 digits! geez
there are still 4 billion boxes of 1986 topps out there to be opened. >>



And then there are cards in the hands of people like me that was into cards in the mid 80's to early 90's and haven't touched them since. They have just been sitting there in the white storage boxes.

Ron

WinPitcher

Fake bidding could be someone who has the card and wants to keep the market value high.

So they place bids hoping to run up the winner.


Shill bids are done by the seller or agent of the seller.


Steve

CDsNuts

If I had to guess: illinifan912 put in a protection bid with an alt account for his $132 sale, and in an attempt to run up the vcp price for the next time he listed it he used two ebay alts to run up the price of Guy's auction to $1800 with no intention of paying. Then he started this thread to draw interest in the one he has.

If I remember correctly this guy has been doing shady stuff on the b/s/t board for a while now with his alt id's.