<< <i>I, too, want to see the crooks busted and the coins returned.
I imagine they'll have a hard time fencing sure scarce material. >>
Sad to say it, but I think they will have a very easy time finding buyers if they take the coins out of the country. There are plenty of rich people in places like the Middle East and Russia who don't care one bit whether they are buying stolen property if it's what they want. These are the same kinds of "collectors" who keep looters of precious archaeological sites in Egypt, the Holy Land and elsewhere gainfully employed.
If I'm right it'll take more than the FBI to track them down....
Julian...Julian...you parked in front of the Tiffany Diner on Rt.46 so that you could see the driver's side snd the rear of the car. The passenger window was smashed to facilitate entry. 2009 Toyota Sienna....no alarm???? What gives???? Seven+ figure of $$$$ and no alarm???? Is the Asbury Park Press incorrect????
Thanks for the post, that was an interesting read. Glad to hear he has insurance and I have a hard enough time leaving my car with $5000 in coins in the trunk and I can't imagine leaving coins worth 6 figures or more in my car without a full time security person guarding them or an alarm on my car.
From the way the article read there seems to be a possible suspect which is possibly a woman who came by his table a few times. Now if there were security cameras at the show then hopefully he could point her out and then have her picture plastered all over the news. If these major shows don't have hidden cameras or even visible cameras then they should start charging a little extra for tables and begin investing in some temporary security cameras.
Thanks for providing that link. It is too bad some of that information was not shared here on the boards earlier. Anyway here is a suggestion to follow-up on. Mrs. Leidman reportedly heard one of the suspects communicating to her cohorts by cell phone saying, "They are leaving now." I was a juror on a murder trial in the recent past and it was amazing what evidence surfaced from cell phone records. With cell phone records obtained from data electronically stored the movement of the body could be tracked as there are electronic records kept as to each cell phone tower with regard to which calls are being transmitted from which phones. With a search it is amazing what can be gleaned from the electronic data. It will require specific information (such as the precise time of the outgoing call) and the route of the Leidman's travel. If those thieves communicated between themselves or to others as they travelled there will be records showing their movement as the calls are picked up tower by tower.
a general plea for return with some simblance of amnesty may go a long way in this situation. i haven't read these but here's an idea for the crooks if it one hasn't been made and they are looking in here:
buy a trac phone with cash, conceal your identity and pay with cash for the phone. call the owners of the coins cell phone, put them somewhere and give him directions over the phone to where the coins are. throw the phone in the river and give up a life of crime.
because of the uniqueness of these items, whoever is responsible for this is going to get caught and prison follows. give it up.
I agree, I believe our whole criminal system needs more amnesty. I'm sure criminals have second thoughts and regrets after they commit a crime, however many are faced with the dilema that they will face prison time even if they come forward and turn themselves in, so many criminals feel they can't come forward because they will still end up in jail. If any person or persons who committed this crime had any concious whatsover they should do what you said and leave the coins somewhere for pick up, even keep 10% which of course is ridiculous and unjustified, but for Julian's sake it sure would be a hell of alot better than nothing.
Julian, also look into hiring a private investigator like right away, especially if the police are putting this on the back burner. A $75,000 reward fund might get a few private investigators to start working on this on their own time. Many are ex-detectives, so they know about burglary cases left and right.
What are the exact circumstances of which this took place? I am very interested to know. Did he park his car to go in and get a bite to eat, only to return and find the window broken?
<< <i>Well, hopefully the FBI is involved, and hopefully the perps are as stupid as those who tried fencing Tom Reynolds' coppers nearly a decade ago. >>
Efrem Zimbalist, Jr. is already on this one, you ask me...
I do not have 1 plus million in coins but the comment the wife overheard would have made me a little nervous.
It is hard to believe that someone could do a smash and grab and no one sees anything. I travel quite a bit and carry ATV's, tools and more in the bed of my truck. I have not stopped many times at places because i did not view the security as being suffecient. I have passed on many a hotel if the parking lot was not to my liking and security was lacking. I insure everything to the hilt and still go to extreme to make my stuff being stolen hard with locks, locks, chains and more.
I do not think crooks of this nature have much of a consience and getting rid of the material will not be difficult. You do not have to sell it out of the country, there are plenty of locals with cash that have no issue buying stolen property. The sad part is how little the thieves will actually end up selling the coins for.
I do hope they catch those involved. At least there has been enough made of this theft that it will put alittle heat on the thieves. The worst thing would have been little to no press which probably happens 95 percent of the time.
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Hello - I do not know Julian but am so sad by this tragedy. I would like to contribute $ 250 to help capture the scumbags. I am near Philadelphia, PA. I have alerted several Pennsylvania State Troopers that I am friends with and also numerous local Chiefs of Police in Bucks County and Montgomery County.
What a wonderful statement this is about the stand up folks in this business. I will try to make it a point to give my business to the dealers who've contributed.
Hello, I've known and worked for Julian for many years now. He is a very good friend of mine and one of the most stand up fellows I know, and I must say I am absolutely appalled by what has happened. Being at college, hearing this news has only added to my stress. However, I am confident that we as a community will get our rightful closure to this matter. -Alex
Good grief, the comments below that article are tough! If people who don't know Julian generally think that it was an "inside job" and that the crime "doesn't make sense," I wonder if the police and detectives think the same thing, to the detriment of the investigation?
What a mess.
I hope we don't end up reading about these coins being used in a New Jersey laundromat.
If everyone that reads this thread would say a small quick prayer or thought for Julian and the recovery of his inventory perhaps we can speed up the recovery. Ray & Phil Eye Appealing Coins www.eyeappealingcoins.com
<< <i>If everyone that reads this thread would say a small quick prayer or thought for Julian and the recovery of his inventory perhaps we can speed up the recovery. Ray & Phil Eye Appealing Coins www.eyeappealingcoins.com >>
I am glad to see so much love in hobby and also for Julian.. I am flying into Baltimore next month for the Baltimore show and hope to chat with Julian, if not, oh well, I hope things works out for him.
One last comment, some people are like blaming Julian for his stopping with his wife to meet his brother for dinner with a ton of coins worth huge dollars, well, as I see it, life is a crap shoot and things like this will continue to happen, be it a new plasma tv or a kilo of grass, the way I see it is this situation could of turned out much worse and Julian or his wife might of not been here today, one of their lives could of be taken..
So stop the security tibs. He was a target of theft and maybe many can learn instead of blaming. John.. JMHO..
I have some questions/statements regarding this. Not to be mean, rude, or anything, but I must ask, even though the answers may or may not be obvious or cannot be given for various reasons.
1. Does the general public know about this reward? 2 My opinion is that this is most likely a random act. If so, then a. The thieves will try to wait until all of this dies down a little bit. Then they will try to sell the coins either on eBay, coin dealers, or pawn shops. b. The thieves will rob again. In which case, more witnesses may occur which will more likely lead to a resolution.
If this was not a random act, I hardly expect to see the coins anytime soon.
The reward being offered for information leading to the arrest and conviction of whomever stole coins Oct. 11 from the vehicle of coin dealer Julian Leidman of Silver Spring, Md. is now up to almost $150,000.
A side window of Leidman’s minivan was smashed and the entire inventory of over 1,000 coins removed when Leidman stopped in Pine Brook, N.J., on his return from Coinfest held over that weekend in Stamford, Conn., according to a Numismatic Crime Information Center report.
The dealer community is banding together to help law enforcement solve the case. The reward has been rising steadily and is being coordinated through the Professional Numismatists Guild. It started out at $5,000 with the initial offer of Coinfest founders Laura Sperber and Jon Lerner.
The Township of Montville, N.J., police are investigating the crime.
Identifiable inventory items according to NCIC include:
• 1921 $20 gold piece NGC MS-61 • 1932 $20 gold piece uncirculated • Several scarce date Libs and Saints • 1806 half dollar PCGS MS-63 (proof- like) planchet flaw on reverse • 1807 half dollar PCGS MS-65 • 1879 pattern dollar, Judd-1617, NGC Proof-65 • 1892-O dollar PCGS genuine holder incredible coin appears to be proof. • 1829 5 mark struck off center
“I am asking people to contact me if they are offered anything that does not ‘look correct.’ There are just too many coins to list,” Leidman said.
Anyone who can help with information should contact any of the individuals below:
Detective Christopher M. Keezer (973) 257-4112 e-mail: ckeezer@MontvilleNJ.org
If I might make a suggestion (though I have my doubts if this could be implemented due to the high level of precision involved), but it might make sense to "assign" a few coins each to various people to do daily searches on all possible internet sites.
good idea coin22 ----- I doubt if people are really blaming Julian for stopping for dinner --- as I am sure that Julian is kicking himself in the rear over that already --- No need to dwell on it, as hind sight is 20/20, so they say. We all make mistakes.
That said, I am curious, WHY oh, WHY weren't the coins in the trunk!!!!?????? To me that is just downright odd! (maybe trunk was also full of larger items used at the show, luggage, etc.?) Just me, but I would have put the valuables in the trunk, and the other items in the car. How about you?
Kudos to everyone for banding together -- It's just wonderful to see this, and hopefully that will also speed up the hopefully recovery of all coins.
I also agree, that it is also more probable than not, that the theives do read this board, and WILL wait until things die down. They are not completely dumb if they set something like this up -- stupid, yes -- dumb --- they had a plan --- they must have been working on this plan for some time, and are probably 'from the area'. ie. Julian's area.
There is also a reason WHY he specifically was targeted over - say 'Joe dealer' (someone else) -- which makes me think that they chose someone 'closer to where they reside'.
<< <i>good idea coin22 ----- I doubt if people are really blaming Julian for stopping for dinner --- as I am sure that Julian is kicking himself in the rear over that already --- No need to dwell on it, as hind sight is 20/20, so they say. We all make mistakes.
That said, I am curious, WHY oh, WHY weren't the coins in the trunk!!!!?????? To me that is just downright odd! (maybe trunk was also full of larger items used at the show, luggage, etc.?) Just me, but I would have put the valuables in the trunk, and the other items in the car. How about you?
Kudos to everyone for banding together -- It's just wonderful to see this, and hopefully that will also speed up the hopefully recovery of all coins.
I also agree, that it is also more probable than not, that the theives do read this board, and WILL wait until things die down. They are not completely dumb if they set something like this up -- stupid, yes -- dumb --- they had a plan --- they must have been working on this plan for some time, and are probably 'from the area'. ie. Julian's area.
There is also a reason WHY he specifically was targeted over - say 'Joe dealer' (someone else) -- which makes me think that they chose someone 'closer to where they reside'.
signing off, Nancy Drew. >>
In the trunk? I can't image letting a million worth of coins out of my site!
<< <i> In the trunk? I can't image letting a million worth of coins out of my site! >>
If that's true, then leaving the car would cause the same problem too. The only reason I can think of is that Julian had lots of other luggage to take care of also ...
The vehicle was a minivan and the inventory, in two very heavy bags were in the cargo section, behind two rows of seats.
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<< <i>The vehicle was a minivan and the inventory, in two very heavy bags were in the cargo section, behind two rows of seats. >>
Juilan there is no need to answer to asinine theories on this board.. Come on guys..
It really doesn't matter what Juilan did that day/night.. He was a freaking target!!..
Again, as I stated before.. Thank "God" if I am allowed to use this term on this board,that Juilan or his wife wasn't hurt or killed..
Juilan, it was a boatload of coins and value yes, and a huge part of Julians life, the fact is, we can't change what happened that evening because of the way our paths are made up at birth, but damnit there is more work in those bones of yours Julian in this hobby..
Don't let this hiccup stop you... Stuff like this will make you sick, actually sicken you so bad everyone around you will be lost as well because of the temptation of someone else's greed..
Let your path play it's next hand.. Hopefully, something will come positive out of this mess.. John
I was just wondering if the mini-van had any kind of alarm system. Please excuse me if this has been asked. I hope for a speedy recovery of the merchandise and the prosecution of the individual (s).
I don't think that wondering about coins being in trunk was assinine .... the article states: "were stolen from the car" -- and most cars do have trunks. Minivan -- totally makes sense why coins weren't in trunk. Name calling is what is assinine. A person can't help be curious with a thread glued on this forum. Excuse one for wondering obvious situations. Prayers to all who have donated and are assisting in recovery.
While I may have been a small time dealer at Coinfest , this could have happened to anyone that had a table at the show . I would like to contribute $250 to the reward fund .
I know how Julian feels after my safe was cracked this summer. I am glad to hear he has insurance- I wish I would have had insurance too( all the coins were recovered but still out over $25K in valuables). I will venture to say that after my experience the odds are 99% that this theft was done by small time crooks from the area. We too thought in our case that it must have been real pro's from out of our area that broke into our house and pretty much just broke into the safe and left the rest of the house intact. As the story unfolded it was a 17.5 year old and a 19 year old that did it and cased our house out for a few day's. They got caught when they tried to sell the coins. A coin dealer knew these were too high dollar for young adults to have( Julians coins will draw attention right away and I hope these guy's try to sell them right away!). The cops dropped the ball when it was reported but a dealer contacted me about it and we got them and our stuff. When Julian recovers his stuff( I know he will eventaully) his next nightmare will start with all the legal stuff involved- court appearances, identifing property, finding out you won't get your stuff back until the court is done with them, lost time from work, not being able to plan things because you never know when the next court procedding will be, and the worst is realizing the crooks will see very little jail time for what they did, then finding out restitution and civil suits are meaningless against scums like this because they don't have anything and never will.
<< <i>Unfortunately, their having gone to the extreme of having bugged his car, they appear to have had this crime pretty much calculated out, meaning, I doubt any of this loot is going to be turning up in any Jersey coin shop.
PS: FWIW, I think the detectives, in time, will get these guys. Don't know about recovering any or all of the loot, though, especially if fencing arrangements had been made (which, again, I don't think is unlikely, given the calculated nature of this crime). >>
lets say they had the crime well calculated, how would they know the coins would be left unattended??
<< <i>Leidman said the stolen coins included not only his personal collection, but also items that belong to collectors for whom he is working. Leidman said his insurers have denied his claim for reimbursement because he was not in the car when the coins were stolen. >>
<< <i>Leidman said the stolen coins included not only his personal collection, but also items that belong to collectors for whom he is working. Leidman said his insurers have denied his claim for reimbursement because he was not in the car when the coins were stolen. >>
In most instances, coin insurance is very strict on what and how they cover claims. There is a big difference between theft and robbery. Most insurance coverage requires the coins in transit to be accompanied at all times by a physical presence of the owner or an agent. Thus, a robbery would be covered. Otherwise, a theft from within a car, on the bourse floor, or in a hotel room is considered a "mysterious dissapppearance" and most claims will not be paid. In addition, insurance for a coin shop requires a certain type of safe (TL-30 or better) and an advanced alarm system or the coverage or claim can be denied.
I've been following this story since it broke. There are no words that describe how I feel about this robbery. Julian always has some of the best stuff at all the shows I see him at. If you look up CLASS ACT in the dictionary, you will see a photo of Julian. I hope these creeps get caught and Julian gets all of his coins & currency back.
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It's hard to figure out what to post after a story like this.
I can only hope that the nature of the coins that were stolen, together with the the reward, will get spread around to as many ears as possible. Fencing this stuff will be risky. I'm taking the time to familiarize myself with some of the coins.
Julian Please know that you and your wife are in our prayers. If you would need coins for any upcomming show we would be happy to memo you some inventory. While not as spectacular as your inventory we do have a few nice pieces. If this would help in any way just let us know. God Bless, Ray & Phil Eye Appealing Coins
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<< <i>I, too, want to see the crooks busted and the coins returned.
I imagine they'll have a hard time fencing sure scarce material. >>
Sad to say it, but I think they will have a very easy time finding buyers if they take the coins out of the country. There are plenty of rich people in places like the Middle East and Russia who don't care one bit whether they are buying stolen property if it's what they want. These are the same kinds of "collectors" who keep looters of precious archaeological sites in Egypt, the Holy Land and elsewhere gainfully employed.
If I'm right it'll take more than the FBI to track them down....
The passenger window was smashed to facilitate entry. 2009 Toyota Sienna....no alarm????
What gives???? Seven+ figure of $$$$ and no alarm???? Is the Asbury Park Press incorrect????
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<< <i>http://www.app.com/article/20091013/NEWS/91013119/Rare+coins+stolen+from+car+of+prominent+dealer+in+Montville++ >>
Thanks for providing that link. It is too bad some of that information was not shared here on the boards earlier. Anyway here is a suggestion to follow-up on. Mrs. Leidman reportedly heard one of the suspects communicating to her cohorts by cell phone saying, "They are leaving now." I was a juror on a murder trial in the recent past and it was amazing what evidence surfaced from cell phone records. With cell phone records obtained from data electronically stored the movement of the body could be tracked as there are electronic records kept as to each cell phone tower with regard to which calls are being transmitted from which phones. With a search it is amazing what can be gleaned from the electronic data. It will require specific information (such as the precise time of the outgoing call) and the route of the Leidman's travel. If those thieves communicated between themselves or to others as they travelled there will be records showing their movement as the calls are picked up tower by tower.
While a much smaller dealer then the majority here this affects us all and the hobby. PM sent for my $250 contribution to the reward fund.
Julian, I'm glad everyone is safe and you have my fervent wish and prayer for a successful outcome to this crime.
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these but here's an idea for the crooks if it one hasn't been made and they are looking in here:
buy a trac phone with cash, conceal your identity and pay with cash for the phone. call the owners of the coins
cell phone, put them somewhere and give him directions over the phone to where the coins are. throw the phone
in the river and give up a life of crime.
because of the uniqueness of these items, whoever is responsible for this is going to get caught and prison follows.
give it up.
<< <i>Well, hopefully the FBI is involved, and hopefully the perps are as stupid as those who tried fencing Tom Reynolds' coppers nearly a decade ago. >>
Efrem Zimbalist, Jr. is already on this one, you ask me...
It is hard to believe that someone could do a smash and grab and no one sees anything. I travel quite a bit and carry ATV's, tools and more in the bed of my truck. I have not stopped many times at places because i did not view the security as being suffecient. I have passed on many a hotel if the parking lot was not to my liking and security was lacking. I insure everything to the hilt and still go to extreme to make my stuff being stolen hard with locks, locks, chains and more.
I do not think crooks of this nature have much of a consience and getting rid of the material will not be difficult. You do not have to sell it out of the country, there are plenty of locals with cash that have no issue buying stolen property. The sad part is how little the thieves will actually end up selling the coins for.
I do hope they catch those involved. At least there has been enough made of this theft that it will put alittle heat on the thieves. The worst thing would have been little to no press which probably happens 95 percent of the time.
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RIP "BEAR"
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What a mess.
I hope we don't end up reading about these coins being used in a New Jersey laundromat.
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<< <i>If everyone that reads this thread would say a small quick prayer or thought for Julian and the recovery of his inventory perhaps we can speed up the recovery.
Ray & Phil
Eye Appealing Coins
www.eyeappealingcoins.com >>
He has got my prayer
One last comment, some people are like blaming Julian for his stopping with his wife to meet his brother for dinner with a ton of coins worth huge dollars, well, as I see it, life is a crap shoot and things like this will continue to happen, be it a new plasma tv or a kilo of grass, the way I see it is this situation could of turned out much worse and Julian or his wife might of not been here today, one of their lives could of be taken..
So stop the security tibs. He was a target of theft and maybe many can learn instead of blaming. John.. JMHO..
1. Does the general public know about this reward?
2 My opinion is that this is most likely a random act. If so, then
a. The thieves will try to wait until all of this dies down a little bit. Then they will try to sell the coins either on eBay, coin dealers, or pawn shops.
b. The thieves will rob again. In which case, more witnesses may occur which will more likely lead to a resolution.
If this was not a random act, I hardly expect to see the coins anytime soon.
Update: Reward Increases in Coin Theft Case
By Numismatic News
October 16, 2009
The reward being offered for information leading to the arrest and conviction of whomever stole coins Oct. 11 from the vehicle of coin dealer Julian Leidman of Silver Spring, Md. is now up to almost $150,000.
A side window of Leidman’s minivan was smashed and the entire inventory of over 1,000 coins removed when Leidman stopped in Pine Brook, N.J., on his return from Coinfest held over that weekend in Stamford, Conn., according to a Numismatic Crime Information Center report.
The dealer community is banding together to help law enforcement solve the case. The reward has been rising steadily and is being coordinated through the Professional Numismatists Guild. It started out at $5,000 with the initial offer of Coinfest founders Laura Sperber and Jon Lerner.
The Township of Montville, N.J., police are investigating the crime.
Identifiable inventory items according to NCIC include:
• 1921 $20 gold piece NGC MS-61
• 1932 $20 gold piece uncirculated
• Several scarce date Libs and Saints
• 1806 half dollar PCGS MS-63 (proof- like) planchet flaw on reverse
• 1807 half dollar PCGS MS-65
• 1879 pattern dollar, Judd-1617, NGC Proof-65
• 1892-O dollar PCGS genuine holder incredible coin appears to be proof.
• 1829 5 mark struck off center
“I am asking people to contact me if they are offered anything that does not ‘look correct.’ There are just too many coins to list,” Leidman said.
Anyone who can help with information should contact any of the individuals below:
Detective Christopher M. Keezer
(973) 257-4112
e-mail: ckeezer@MontvilleNJ.org
Julian Leidman
(301) 585-8467
e-mail: julian@JulianCoin.com
Robert Brueggeman of PNG
(760) 728-1300
e-mail: info@PNGdealers.com
Doug Davis of NCIC
(817) 705-4450
e-mail: doug@numismaticcrimes.org
That said, I am curious, WHY oh, WHY weren't the coins in the trunk!!!!?????? To me that is just downright odd! (maybe trunk was also full of larger items used at the show, luggage, etc.?) Just me, but I would have put the valuables in the trunk, and the other items in the car. How about you?
Kudos to everyone for banding together -- It's just wonderful to see this, and hopefully that will also speed up the hopefully recovery of all coins.
I also agree, that it is also more probable than not, that the theives do read this board, and WILL wait until things die down. They are not completely dumb if they set something like this up -- stupid, yes -- dumb --- they had a plan --- they must have been working on this plan for some time, and are probably 'from the area'. ie. Julian's area.
There is also a reason WHY he specifically was targeted over - say 'Joe dealer' (someone else) -- which makes me think that they chose someone 'closer to where they reside'.
signing off,
Nancy Drew.
<< <i>good idea coin22 ----- I doubt if people are really blaming Julian for stopping for dinner --- as I am sure that Julian is kicking himself in the rear over that already --- No need to dwell on it, as hind sight is 20/20, so they say. We all make mistakes.
That said, I am curious, WHY oh, WHY weren't the coins in the trunk!!!!?????? To me that is just downright odd! (maybe trunk was also full of larger items used at the show, luggage, etc.?) Just me, but I would have put the valuables in the trunk, and the other items in the car. How about you?
Kudos to everyone for banding together -- It's just wonderful to see this, and hopefully that will also speed up the hopefully recovery of all coins.
I also agree, that it is also more probable than not, that the theives do read this board, and WILL wait until things die down. They are not completely dumb if they set something like this up -- stupid, yes -- dumb --- they had a plan --- they must have been working on this plan for some time, and are probably 'from the area'. ie. Julian's area.
There is also a reason WHY he specifically was targeted over - say 'Joe dealer' (someone else) -- which makes me think that they chose someone 'closer to where they reside'.
signing off,
Nancy Drew. >>
In the trunk? I can't image letting a million worth of coins out of my site!
<< <i>
In the trunk? I can't image letting a million worth of coins out of my site! >>
If that's true, then leaving the car would cause the same problem too. The only reason I can think of is that Julian had lots of other luggage to take care of also ...
I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.
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Have the cops interviewed anyone or have any leads developed?
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<< <i>The vehicle was a minivan and the inventory, in two very heavy bags were in the cargo section, behind two rows of seats. >>
Juilan there is no need to answer to asinine theories on this board.. Come on guys..
It really doesn't matter what Juilan did that day/night.. He was a freaking target!!..
Again, as I stated before.. Thank "God" if I am allowed to use this term on this board,that Juilan or his wife wasn't hurt or killed..
Juilan, it was a boatload of coins and value yes, and a huge part of Julians life, the fact is, we can't change what happened that evening because of the way our paths are made up at birth, but damnit there is more work in those bones of yours Julian in this hobby..
Don't let this hiccup stop you... Stuff like this will make you sick, actually sicken you so bad everyone around you will be lost as well because of the temptation of someone else's greed..
Let your path play it's next hand.. Hopefully, something will come positive out of this mess.. John
<< <i> This is horrible. If I caught the guy I would not accept the reward. Getting a thief like this in jail is where the reward is at. >>
I agree with you. But you will take a 1958-D circulated wheatie and a common warnickel from me instead?
I believe a real coin collector wouldn't take the reward. Just finding the crook would be awesome enough.
However, there are many non coin collectors we need to convince to help get all of us the coins back to Julian.
I hope for a speedy recovery of the merchandise and the prosecution of the individual (s).
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to anyone that had a table at the show . I would like to contribute $250 to the
reward fund .
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When Julian recovers his stuff( I know he will eventaully) his next nightmare will start with all the legal stuff involved- court appearances, identifing property, finding out you won't get your stuff back until the court is done with them, lost time from work, not being able to plan things because you never know when the next court procedding will be, and the worst is realizing the crooks will see very little jail time for what they did, then finding out restitution and civil suits are meaningless against scums like this because they don't have anything and never will.
<< <i>Unfortunately, their having gone to the extreme of having bugged his car, they appear to have had this crime pretty much calculated out, meaning, I doubt any of this loot is going to be turning up in any Jersey coin shop.
PS: FWIW, I think the detectives, in time, will get these guys. Don't know about recovering any or all of the loot, though, especially if fencing arrangements had been made (which, again, I don't think is unlikely, given the calculated nature of this crime). >>
lets say they had the crime well calculated, how would they know the coins would be left unattended??
<< <i>Leidman said the stolen coins included not only his personal collection, but also items that belong to collectors for whom he is working. Leidman said his insurers have denied his claim for reimbursement because he was not in the car when the coins were stolen. >>
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<< <i>Leidman said the stolen coins included not only his personal collection, but also items that belong to collectors for whom he is working. Leidman said his insurers have denied his claim for reimbursement because he was not in the car when the coins were stolen. >>
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In most instances, coin insurance is very strict on what and how they cover claims. There is a big difference between theft and robbery. Most insurance coverage requires the coins in transit to be accompanied at all times by a physical presence of the owner or an agent. Thus, a robbery would be covered. Otherwise, a theft from within a car, on the bourse floor, or in a hotel room is considered a "mysterious dissapppearance" and most claims will not be paid. In addition, insurance for a coin shop requires a certain type of safe (TL-30 or better) and an advanced alarm system or the coverage or claim can be denied.
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I can only hope that the nature of the coins that were stolen, together with the the reward, will get spread around to as many ears as possible. Fencing this stuff will be risky. I'm taking the time to familiarize myself with some of the coins.
Please know that you and your wife are in our prayers. If you would need coins for any upcomming show we would be happy to memo you some inventory. While not as spectacular as your inventory we do have a few nice pieces. If this would help in any way just let us know.
God Bless,
Ray & Phil
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