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All it takes is one good post season and the fans will forget all about the past!
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Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
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The closer mentality rears its head again -- Nathan was facing a lineup with a history of murdering him, but that doesn't matter -- got to go with the closer for the sacred save...
Doug
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Props to arod for looking like THE MAN tonight. Big Tex is clutch.
He is peaking when it counts the most. I agree with another post. If Arod comes thru this playoff year all the past will be forgotten.
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<< <i>All it takes is one good post season and the fans will forget all about the past! >>
Or maybe they'll finally look at the past objectively. How many bad postseason games has he had in the past four years? Eight, maybe?
One can choose any snapshot of a player or team's performance to frame their desired point.
<< <i>Homeboy wasn't on roids tonight. Or in Game one. Good for him. >>
OK if you say so lol.. The dude is pumped take a good look at your homeboy...............
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Ever hear of weight room or a gym? Is every guy out there who looks "pumped" on steroids?
One does not have to be on steroids' to be "pumped." Everyone with a great build is not on roids. If you lift or train intensely/regularly with no such 'supplements,' surely you know how muscular and defined you can get-- especially if you are a male in your twenties or thirties. I once had a period of intense supplement-free training where I added around ten lbs of lean muscle and dropped twenty lbs of fat in eight weeks. What it takes is rigid diet discipline and a serious training routine. And a professional athlete is just the type to be able to attain that type of physical goal.
To insinuate that a professional athlete with a 6'3" muscular frame is on roids simply because he looks well-built is just ludicrous. By that specious logic anyone who looks like A-Rod is on steroids. Several of my friends from college were athletes (granted an Ivy League college is no athletic powerhouse), but nonetheless they were and are still active in the weight room, steroid free, and "pumped" like A-Rod. There are so many athletes and non-athletes that are in great shape-- does that mean we are all on steroids?
The real issue at hand is that so few people out there know how to eat and train perfectly to achieve top-line results, from a physical aesthetics standpoint. Look around in the gym and you'll see so many people using wildly incorrect form with weights, or barely breaking a sweat on the treadmill. I guess part of it also depends on where one lives, what type of lifestyle one leads, their job, etc., in terms of seeing lots of in-shape people that are not on roids. In cities like Miami and Los Angeles for example, because of the weather and probably the prevalence of the modeling and acting industries, there are a lot of people in top-percentile shape who are not on roids. In colder climes and in less "cosmopolitan" or "physical beauty-obsessed" circles, it may stand to reason that there are less folks in great shape-- and thus upon seeing someone "pumped," there's a tendency to say, "Ooh look that person must be on roids."
Genetics/body type do play a key role, but you'd be amazed what a perfect diet and serious, correct training can do to transform a person's physique. Take Griffey for example. If he was so inclined to put a value on being "pumped," or "ripped," for aesthetic purposes, it would probably only take him a month or two of perfect diet and tweaking his workouts to look as good or better than A-Rod. Would he then be guilty of being a "cheater?"
Bottom line: being well-built is not proof-positive of steroids.
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Let's not forget many of these "cheaters" did PEDs before they were banned substances. I think that is a nuance of the situation that is often overlooked. Not to condone them in any way, but there is a distinction between having done something that was illegal vs legal, according to the rules.
My answer to that question would be probably not, but MLB still doesn't test to detect HGH, and probably a number of other designer drugs, so it's hard to say. At this stage, I just assume that most players are not clean...it seems easier that way, and less disappointing when the revelations and admissions inevitably come to light. I just hope that Junior is clean...and I'm fairly certain that Jeter is, but who knows anymore.
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When you say "below his standards," that is almost by definition not looking objectively. How about the simple standard of how much he helped the team. In 2005 and 2006 it was virtually nothing. In the other four years it was more than most players
Rodriguez has not failed a binding drug test. Either he isn't using drugs or the sports drug policy is inadequate
Neither did Barry Bonds...so I'm gonna go out on a limb and say your answer would be inadequate...
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Of course Rodriguez was dreadful for a long stretch. But to use that as the entirety of his performance is not objective. Further, in all other years combined, he has not even been too far below his own standards when you remember that October pitching is a lot stronger and the weather is a lot colder. And yes overall it is still a very bad postseason history. That doesn't mean there is more to the story than those 13 games and anyone who uses those 13 games as the whole story is unquestionably looking at a distortion, giving that sees it as that is looking at a distortion of the player as he has now played in 41 postseason games
The funny thing about sports (and sports arguments) is that one can choose any snapshot/sample space they want to frame any contention. One can find or crop a stat to support anything one wants. Unless the discussion begins with an agreed-upon sample of performance, sports debates usually devolve into messes with everyone throwing out their own desired sample/stat snapshot.
Haters of A-Rod and the Yankees out there loved to point to the recent stretch of his fruitless post-season ABs with RISP. Yet now he's sort of taken that away from the detractors with this latest flurry of two out RBI hits-- including the very dramatic HR in Game 2 the other night.
He's also dashed the old knock on him of, 'His RBIs come when it doesn't matter.' This season he has one of the highest percentages of his total RBI (over 50% in fact) that have either tied the game or put his team up.
<< <i>LOL?
Ever hear of weight room or a gym? Is every guy out there who looks "pumped" on steroids?
One does not have to be on steroids' to be "pumped." Everyone with a great build is not on roids. If you lift or train intensely/regularly with no such 'supplements,' surely you know how muscular and defined you can get-- especially if you are a male in your twenties or thirties. I once had a period of intense supplement-free training where I added around ten lbs of lean muscle and dropped twenty lbs of fat in eight weeks. What it takes is rigid diet discipline and a serious training routine. And a professional athlete is just the type to be able to attain that type of physical goal.
To insinuate that a professional athlete with a 6'3" muscular frame is on roids simply because he looks well-built is just ludicrous. By that specious logic anyone who looks like A-Rod is on steroids. Several of my friends from college were athletes (granted an Ivy League college is no athletic powerhouse), but nonetheless they were and are still active in the weight room, steroid free, and "pumped" like A-Rod. There are so many athletes and non-athletes that are in great shape-- does that mean we are all on steroids?
The real issue at hand is that so few people out there know how to eat and train perfectly to achieve top-line results, from a physical aesthetics standpoint. Look around in the gym and you'll see so many people using wildly incorrect form with weights, or barely breaking a sweat on the treadmill. I guess part of it also depends on where one lives, what type of lifestyle one leads, their job, etc., in terms of seeing lots of in-shape people that are not on roids. In cities like Miami and Los Angeles for example, because of the weather and probably the prevalence of the modeling and acting industries, there are a lot of people in top-percentile shape who are not on roids. In colder climes and in less "cosmopolitan" or "physical beauty-obsessed" circles, it may stand to reason that there are less folks in great shape-- and thus upon seeing someone "pumped," there's a tendency to say, "Ooh look that person must be on roids."
Genetics/body type do play a key role, but you'd be amazed what a perfect diet and serious, correct training can do to transform a person's physique. Take Griffey for example. If he was so inclined to put a value on being "pumped," or "ripped," for aesthetic purposes, it would probably only take him a month or two of perfect diet and tweaking his workouts to look as good or better than A-Rod. Would he then be guilty of being a "cheater?"
Bottom line: being well-built is not proof-positive of steroids. >>
Thanks Richard Simmons lol. Griffey I am assuming didn't take hgh for 3 years in Cinncinatti to help him heal and to make him stronger?
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You clearly intimated in an earlier post that A-Rod was on steroids because he looked "pumped." All I'm saying is that if looking pumped is what you are basing that assertion on, that is a highly specious argument. Can't hate on the guy for being in dynamite shape. When you've got money like that, and fame, why not go the extra mile to look great? It doesn't take PEDs to look like A-Rod does right now. And you don't have to be Richard Simmons to know that.
I for one model my physique (and fashion) after Richard Simmons. I find that chicks love it.
<< <i>What does HGH have to do with the issue you raised?
You clearly intimated in an earlier post that A-Rod was on steroids because he looked "pumped." All I'm saying is that if looking pumped is what you are basing that assertion on, that is a highly specious argument. Can't hate on the guy for being in dynamite shape. When you've got money like that, and fame, why not go the extra mile to look great? It doesn't take PEDs to look like A-Rod does right now. And you don't have to be Richard Simmons to know that.
I for one model my physique (and fashion) after Richard Simmons. I find that chicks love it. >>
Have you seen Dick Simmons lately?LOL I hope that last sentence was tongue in cheek^
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<< <i>Runs scored and RBIs are the only action stats that lead to runs, which is the objective of the game >>
But still somewhat distorted. For example, if a player hits a double, steals third, then scores on a wild pitch, he created that run without his teammates support, but only earns credit for the run scored. If he simply hit a homerun he would have been credited with both. Like you said, advancing baserunners are also a big part. Rodriguez did both those things at the two most crucial moments against the Twins. Further, if you don't consider game three that was never really close, it is easy to see Jeter, Williams, Matsui falling well below Rodriguez. Of course that saying he single handedly won the series is exaggerated, distorted and biased. Just as focusing exclusively on the few games that followed is exaggerated, distorted and biased (He did have a postseason career before October 17, 2004 -- had to look that date up, what a great evening that was. . . )
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
<< <i>HIP HIP.......JORGE >>
Nam ... so it was YOU who directed that ESPN commercial! lol
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
If it was Bonds doing this to the Yankees in a World Series it would be outrage.
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With the Yanks, in his first post season series, Arod hit .421
A few below average series with the Yanks, now, a really outstanding one this year, so far.
Arod, like most superstars, has ups and downs, the extreme performances are more easily recalled by most fans.
<< <i>tom. everyone still feels the same way about bonds. and he is still baseballs most giant douche lol. >>
What did Bonds do?
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ARod fessed up, apologized and has tried to make his actions on the field speak volumes. But does he get cut any slack? No, his detractors insist he must be doing HGH or that he's doing something else. He still gets brought into every PED discussion and his accomplishments are poo-pooed every time he is successful. There is NO ONE else in baseball that takes as much heat or is placed under such scrutiny as ARod. But he still performs. He's still one of the best in the game. Maybe its time that all those that are busy trying to tear him down pause for a moment and realize that they are witnessing one of the greatest to ever play the game . . . PED's or not!
<< <i>Why is it that Bonds and ARod are the two most vilified of the PED users? Given the likes of ARod, Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, McGwire, Palmiero, Manny, Ortiz and all of the others, ARod is the ONLY one of the aforementioned that has admitted that he used PED's and apologized for it. Bonds still denies it. Manny and Ortiz blamed it on "other" causes. McGwire and Sosa ducked the issues. Clemens has threatened lawsuits against his accusers. It appears that no one has problems about some of them lying to Congress, but ARod gets the heat. ARod is the poster boy . . . the whipping boy!
ARod fessed up, apologized and has tried to make his actions on the field speak volumes. But does he get cut any slack? No, his detractors insist he must be doing HGH or that he's doing something else. He still gets brought into every PED discussion and his accomplishments are poo-pooed every time he is successful. There is NO ONE else in baseball that takes as much heat or is placed under such scrutiny as ARod. But he still performs. He's still one of the best in the game. Maybe its time that all those that are busy trying to tear him down pause for a moment and realize that they are witnessing one of the greatest to ever play the game . . . PED's or not! >>
Love him or hate him. I agree. Arod is one of the best to have played the game.
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Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
Alex Rodriguez is one of the FIVE BEST players to have ever put on a MLB uniform!!!!! (That would have been a great compliment even if he said a YANKEE uniform!)
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
<< <i>Can he do it one more time? >>
Not this time nam .... but since I'm still up, I want to see this game go a few more innings! LOL
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.