Mint Set Toned Franklin's

PawPaul

One very strong thing going for them is the natural tone that comes from the orig. mint sets , from 1948-1958.

An experienced eye can learn to spot real mint set toned coins , which as we know can be very colorful and hence desirable.

Even a beginner can learn what orig. mint set toning looks like and can shield themselves from the ever growing problem

of artificially toned Franklins .

As


for the 1959-1963 coins - there are plenty of lustrous brilliant examples to fill out the set

I think it very important to know without a doubt when assembling this set that nearly everyone can put one together -

and know positively their set is free of the countless fake toned coins that are out there .

So very, very many coins have been played with and if and when your set hits the auction block ,

you and the buyer will know they are getting the real deal.

The grading services seem to be running scared of toned coins and I believe many of todays buyers are fed up and reluctant to buy

exoticly toned coins for fear they have been tampered with..............

The Mint Set toned coins of the 1948-1958 era are a way to bypass the whole A.T. mess

Mint Set Toned PCGS MS-65 FBL 1952-D






Mint Set Toned PCGS MS-66 1949-S






Mint Set Toned PCGS MS-66 FBL 1958-P

bushmaster8

Sometimes it is not clear whether or not these have mint set tone.

Here is a good example:

at first i thought this was mint set origin, then i became convinced it was AT.

PawPaul

Overall , Mint Set Toning is unmistakable ; yet there are time's however that even expert's like you might get fooled .

Those times however should be rare , and if there is ever the slightest doubt : take a pass on the coin .

I suggest sticking to examples that are undeniably of orig. mint set origin .

Maybe this is easier said then done - but there are a few characteristic's of mint set tone to look for :

and that ability to spot them can be mastered even by a novice .

Your '53 ............ how did you come to believe it might not be what you first thought it was ?

kryptonitecomics

I have an extensive library of images I have taken of original mint sets coins I bought still in the original mint set packaging for the years 1955-1958. I agree these coins are a great way to protect yourself from all of the neon rainbow AT mess out there and usually the colors and patterns are quite similar for each year so they are easy to spot. There are always exceptions to the rule s the op pointed out b ut there is a ready supply of legit coins to be had if one is willing to pay the premium that typically goes along with these coins.

PawPaul

This PCGS MS-66 coin is not from an orig. mint set ;

but it has to die for color !

Many coins with incredible colors can be found - but I am stressing that mint set toning is unique ...........

the luster , for example ( taking into consideration the differences between the P , D , and S mints )

will be as orig. as a newborn babies butt ! It will glow and glisten and sparkle under the toning .

Many A.T Franklin's are first stripped of their orig. mint bloom before the artwork is applied,

so the luster may be bright , but in no way can the flash reproduce the luster of a coin that has never been cleaned.

In fact , if a virgin , undipped coin is used for the A.T. process , the applied tone will not penetrate the metals surface and

the luster will be impaired by the painted on look of the colorization .

richardshipp

My first venture into the Mint Set Toned World....

LeeG

MORGANHUNTER2

So why is it when you decide to pull em from the set to send in they come back as a no grade- questionable color?

do you think some graders are maybe ill informed as to what toning can take place over a 50-60 year time period?

lcoopie

Lee
I will guess NT for yours

SkyMan

<< <i>So why is it when you decide to pull em from the set to send in they come back as a no grade- questionable color?

do you think some graders are maybe ill informed as to what toning can take place over a 50-60 year time period? >>



Because sometimes the TPGs have their heads firmly implanted in their buttocks.

Some lovely coins in your original post, PP.

PCcoins

Off course, we all love nice double mint sets

PCcoins

I like this '58-p because they usually tone Blue/purple.

PawPaul

Yes ! love them we do !

I gotta say though - I never had a coin I extracted from an orig. mint set kicked back from PCGS or NGC.

Then again, I have not submitted any in a couple of years.....

and from what I read on these boards , the TPG's are so gun shy of toned stuff nowdays they are being ridiculous .

Remember that orig. mint sets have become nearly impossible to find ; oh yes, youcan find the orig. paper and envelopes

with coins inside ..........but that don't make the coins inside origional .

Tiny

lablover

<< <i>Remember that orig. mint sets have become nearly impossible to find ; oh yes, you can find the orig. paper and envelopes >>



Very, very true!!!

I have several UNOPENED sets (1948, 1949, 1955, 1956, 1957 and 1958) that calls to be opened. I offen dream about what they look like.
But, for now they remain never opened. I just stare at those that are opened.

It brings such joy!

bushmaster8

<< <i>So why is it when you decide to pull em from the set to send in they come back as a no grade- questionable color?

do you think some graders are maybe ill informed as to what toning can take place over a 50-60 year time period? >>



QT silver from a mint set?

I have never had that happen on a silver coin from a mint set, nor ever even heard of it happening. (Copper is a different story though.)

I've seen em bag for being in the mint set paper a tad too long (Environmental Damage), but never QT/AT.


Lee, nice set! Looks like your eye for original sets has improved. A few of the sets you used to post were not of this caliber.

Lots of very nice eye candy in this thread...

Edit: Tiny that coin is just SICK! it KILLs! And that is an amatuer photo, no? Imagine what imaging magic Lucybop could do with that coin!

lablover

Me like's them too!

A few of my favorite double mint set:

MORGANHUNTER2

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<< <i>So why is it when you decide to pull em from the set to send in they come back as a no grade- questionable color?

do you think some graders are maybe ill informed as to what toning can take place over a 50-60 year time period? >>



QT silver from a mint set?

I have never had that happen on a silver coin from a mint set, nor ever even heard of it happening. (Copper is a different story though.)

I've seen em bag for being in the mint set paper a tad too long (Environmental Damage), but never QT/AT.


Lee, nice set! Looks like your eye for original sets has improved. A few of the sets you used to post were not of this caliber.

Lots of very nice eye candy in this thread... >>



But it has happened, several times people have claimed to have gotten BB'd by the boys and wonder why. We have all read the stories here and ATS to no avail- the question still remains the same- do graders really know how to differentiate natural toning from artificial or questionable- when in doubt do they say- AT?

I'm in the same boat as Lablover- have several sets that have never been opened (from 53-57) these were part of the grandaddy give to the kids stuff( my grandfather), others that I have bought - hell I opened them up- when the claim was never opened, blah blah. Both in Mint sets and Proofs.

And just what the hell is environmental damage if they have been sealed for 50+ years, if that were the case we all need to run down to the mints- and grab them off the line just before they hit the hopper- because everything from that point on has been damaged by some type of environment. It is a fact jack, and that is that.

Oh I forgot most folks do a dip before the ship..my bad..yvnnzfjp

bushmaster8

<< <i>And just what the hell is environmental damage if they have been sealed for 50+ years... >>



At some point the silver salts turn black/brown and enough metal is lost to the reaction that the underlying layers are "eaten into".

MORGANHUNTER2

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<< <i>And just what the hell is environmental damage if they have been sealed for 50+ years... >>



At some point the silver salts turn black/brown and enough metal is lost to the reaction that the underlying layers are "eaten into". >>



Then it must be in the dip that you should do a flip to semi air tight plastic, is this the jist of what you say, sir?



yes I'm a drinkin kool aid tonight..

PawPaul

........Unopened Mint Sets ? ......................I open them without delay

LeeG

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<< <i>Remember that orig. mint sets have become nearly impossible to find ; oh yes, you can find the orig. paper and envelopes >>



Very, very true!!!

I have several UNOPENED sets (1948, 1949, 1955, 1956, 1957 and 1958) that calls to be opened. I offen dream about what they look like.
But, for now they remain never opened. I just stare at those that are opened.

It brings such joy! >>


I'll take first dib's on the unopened 57 Set.

morgantype

These coins are utterly amazing. Now I will have to start paying more attention to these sets at the shows!

Meltdown

I feel the need to contribute. I do love the mint set toners!

ClosedLoop

beautiful sets people....

Cameonut

I've been slowly picking these sets up when nice ones are available. I have had to pay "ask" or above for the nice ones, but they are worth it to me. I won't have time to take any pics until winter, so sorry for that. So far I have from '54 to '58 with multiples of several. These are sure getting hard to find in original packaging and not messed with.

For those that posted pics - thanks! Mine are buried in the vault so I can't look at them regularly - the pics remind me of how nice these sets can be.

I should also mention that I store my sets in ziplock bags that fit the envelopes. This helps to prevent damage to the packaging and may also help keep moisture away in the SDB.

DenverDave

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<< <i>And just what the hell is environmental damage if they have been sealed for 50+ years... >>



At some point the silver salts turn black/brown and enough metal is lost to the reaction that the underlying layers are "eaten into". >>



This one bagged at PCGS for environmental damage, I see no damage and there is full booming luster under the toning..."-(

frnklnlvr

Here are a few average looking mint set toners.

SkyMan

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<< <i>And just what the hell is environmental damage if they have been sealed for 50+ years... >>



At some point the silver salts turn black/brown and enough metal is lost to the reaction that the underlying layers are "eaten into". >>



This one bagged at PCGS for environmental damage, I see no damage and there is full booming luster under the toning..."-(



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DD, that's a bad joke that that coin ED'ed. It's a VERY attractive '58-D, and rather rare. If you had shown me the reverse only I would not have been surprised that it is a '58-D, but that obverse SCREAMS that it is a '58 P mint. That blue is a classic P mint color. If you don't want the coin I'd be happy to buy it (at a reasonable price of course ).

DenverDave

Skyman...

Here's the "P" form the same set I think, it also bagged for Environmental Damage...

I was not the submitter and purchased them from "DarkTone" off the BST Forum in there body bags at a very reasonable price...

TennesseeDave

This was listed as Mint set toned on E-bay.I won it and love it.

ProofArtworkonCircs

DenverDave
Both of your 1958's show extraordinary details in the eagle's wing feathers. You can see separate feathers and most of the othe pictures lack separation there.

tmoneyeagles

WOW! Never knew mint set toned frankies could look so good!
Nice coins everyone

bushmaster8

<< <i>Here are a few average looking mint set toners.


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This one is an example of my earlier point: Sometimes it can be hard to tell mint set toning from other, non mint set toning. I have always been told that 1955 Bugs Bunnies are never found in the Treasury Mint Sets. Of course I have not seen every 1955 mint set, but I have seen maybe 100 or more and have never seen a Bugsy in one.

kryptonitecomics

I have had quite a few mint set toned coins straight out of the original packaging bag for ED.....not uncommon. Some I agreed with and some were head scratchers.....

PawPaul

..........i think the '55 Bugs can be found in orig. mint sets

SkyMan

I think it's time for some more mint set frankie pics...

Here's a '49-S in PCGS MS65. It's Tough to find a '49-S with nice green color... there is more on the reverse periphery than shows in the pic.

JupitarCoins

<< <i>I think it's time for some more mint set frankie pics...

Here's a '49-S in PCGS MS65. It's Tough to find a '49-S with nice green color... there is more on the reverse periphery than shows in the pic.


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That sure is a stunning coin.

bushmaster8

That 49-S is CAC gold material!

Check that mintmark for the RPM Sky...

Very nice image, is that a Robec image?

PCcoins

Here's a new pic of an old frankie.

bushmaster8

The Green Gonger Rises Again!

Al21

This one is not a monster, but it's nice.

SkyMan

Jon, good looking '58-D.






<< <i>That 49-S is CAC gold material!

Check that mintmark for the RPM Sky...

Very nice image, is that a Robec image? >>



Glad you like it Greg. It is NOT a RPM. You are correct, it is a Robec image.



EDITED TO ADD: Nice looking '57.

DenverDave

TTT with Bugs Bunny and Friends...

PawPaul

....oh the joy of a sweetly toned Franklin

kryptonitecomics

3 Mint set toners just back from PCGS...

DenverDave

Let's not forget the Toned Proofs...

Better yet, matching Proofs....

DenverDave

<< <i>One very strong thing going for them is the natural tone that comes from the orig. mint sets , from 1948-1958.

An experienced eye can learn to spot real mint set toned coins , which as we know can be very colorful and hence desirable.

Even a beginner can learn what orig. mint set toning looks like and can shield themselves from the ever growing problem

of artificially toned Franklins .

As


for the 1959-1963 coins - there are plenty of lustrous brilliant examples to fill out the set

I think it very important to know without a doubt when assembling this set that nearly everyone can put one together -

and know positively their set is free of the countless fake toned coins that are out there .

So very, very many coins have been played with and if and when your set hits the auction block ,

you and the buyer will know they are getting the real deal.

The grading services seem to be running scared of toned coins and I believe many of todays buyers are fed up and reluctant to buy

exoticly toned coins for fear they have been tampered with..............

The Mint Set toned coins of the 1948-1958 era are a way to bypass the whole A.T. mess

Mint Set Toned PCGS MS-65 FBL 1952-D






Mint Set Toned PCGS MS-66 1949-S






Mint Set Toned PCGS MS-66 FBL 1958-P >>




Well Said... and let us not forget the other denominations, Something for everyone...

PawPaul

<< <i>Sometimes it is not clear whether or not these have mint set tone.

Here is a good example:

at first i thought this was mint set origin, then i became convinced it was AT. >>




as I asked b4 - what convinced you it became A.T ???

PawPaul

CAT got your tongue ...................boy ?

darktone

A few things mint set collectors should be aware of- #1 there are fake mint sets being manufactured. I bought several fake sets from a mail order dealer out of one of the coin newspapers a couple of years ago. I told them I was looking for 57 and 58 sets with color and I got imitation cardboard holders with AT'ed coins. A few years before this I bought a lot of 15 1957 sets that were fake too- these were much better quality but for sure fakes. #2 six or seven years ago there was a large collection of double mint sets that were in a fire I am thinking a couple hundred sets or more. I bought several at discounted prices. Only the edges of the envelopes were burned but the coins had original mint set toning with heat induced toning on top of it. Once in a while I see a coin posted here that I am pretty sure is from this batch.