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1980 Topps Nolan Ryan
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I thought this price was insane:
1980 Topps Nolan Ryan PSA 10
Then I saw this:
Another 10 from Memory Lane
That's over $3100 with the juice.
Yet you can get most 60's HOFers in a 9 for less than a grand, lol.
In '07 it was going for around $700. Who thought then that the value would actually increase?
1980 Topps Nolan Ryan PSA 10
Then I saw this:
Another 10 from Memory Lane
That's over $3100 with the juice.
Yet you can get most 60's HOFers in a 9 for less than a grand, lol.
In '07 it was going for around $700. Who thought then that the value would actually increase?
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<< <i>I thought this price was insane:
1980 Topps Nolan Ryan PSA 10 >>
Two words for you...Don Spence!!
Still doesn't justify that price.
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Roland-
seriously.
j
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4SC Ryan is sweet!
<< <i>Awesome card. I hope whoever buys it really enjoys it. What is the PSA pop for this in Gem 10? >>
It's a pop 14.
Regarding Memory Lane, I'm as cynical as anybody, but who inflates the price that high unless a bid exceeding that amount has already been placed?
Is it legit??? I have no idea. I am just asking.
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<< <i>....the most overrated pitcher of all time. >>
i see no mention of Clemens anywhere in this thread.
<< <i>Overrated card of the most overrated pitcher of all time. >>
Do you read the stuff you type?! Just crazy!
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<< <i>Overrated card of the most overrated pitcher of all time. >>
So that means Hank Aaron is the most overrated player of all time ?
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<< <i>So that means Hank Aaron is the most overrated player of all time ? >>
No, Ryan has that won, too. At least when it comes to winning baseball games. For Advil commercials, most people have forgotton how good he really was at those
There is a very good chance whoever bought the card feels like they're getting their money's worth. Otherwise they wouldn't have spent that much
People fall in love with his strikouts and no-hitters. He was slightly better than a .500 pitcher and if not for longevity, his wins totals would've never reached the levels he eventually attained.
As far as MOST overrated pitcher, I might suggest the likes of Don Sutton and Gaylord Perry. If you want to talk about underrated, we could go with Juan Marichal and Ferguson Jenkins.
<< <i>Ryan was great, but overrated is certainly a word that would apply to his career. Sadly, he didn't become a "pitcher" until late in his career.
People fall in love with his strikouts and no-hitters. He was slightly better than a .500 pitcher and if not for longevity, his wins totals would've never reached the levels he eventually attained.
As far as MOST overrated pitcher, I might suggest the likes of Don Sutton and Gaylord Perry. If you want to talk about underrated, we could go with Juan Marichal and Ferguson Jenkins. >>
His win totals were bad because he played on bad teams. Imagine having an era in the low 2's for the season and losing 16 games!! He had a good career era, and if he pitched on better teams, he would have had way better win totals. Overrated??....not even close.
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<< <i>Ryan was great, but overrated is certainly a word that would apply to his career. Sadly, he didn't become a "pitcher" until late in his career.
People fall in love with his strikouts and no-hitters. He was slightly better than a .500 pitcher and if not for longevity, his wins totals would've never reached the levels he eventually attained.
As far as MOST overrated pitcher, I might suggest the likes of Don Sutton and Gaylord Perry. If you want to talk about underrated, we could go with Juan Marichal and Ferguson Jenkins. >>
His win totals were bad because he played on bad teams. Imagine having an era in the low 2's for the season and losing 16 games!! He had a good career era, and if he pitched on better teams, he would have had way better win totals. Overrated??....not even close. >>
Yup.....
I believe Nolan Ryan is to this day, the only pitcher in major league history to lead the major leagues (not just his own league) in ERA and strikeouts in a season, and finish that season losing twice as many games as he won. 1987, he led the majors with a 2.76 ERA, struck out 270 batters, and went 8-16 for the inept Astros.
Also, and I don't know where this actually stands all-time (but I imagine it's at or darn near the top), but he averaged over his entire career, only 6.6 hits allowed per 9 innings. Here's how that ranks against 11 other pitchers (according to baseball-reference.com):
Nolan Ryan 6.6 hits per 9 innings
Sandy Koufax 6.8 hits per...
Pedro Martinez 7.0 hits...
Randy Johnson 7.3 hits...
Tom Seaver 7.5 hits...
Walter Johnson 7.5 hits...
Bob Feller 7.7 hits...
Roger Clemens 7.7 hits...
Steve Carlton 8.1 hits...
Greg Maddux 8.5 hits...
Cy Young 8.7 hits...
Lefty Grove 8.8 hits...
Steve
Everyone agrees he was a great pitcher. When too many people also seem to agree he was as good or better than Seaver, Spahn, Maddux, Gibson, Grove, Walter Johnson, Randy Johnson and several others, they are all rating him over where he truly was
His baseball cards, however, are rated perfectly accurately. They always sell for at least the minimum the seller is willing to accept and never any more than the buyer is willing to pay
<< <i>I didn't read most of the replies above, but I think it's insane when someone pays a huge premium on a high graded card from 1980+ >>
Or even the 70's at this point. As Felicia proved in her '74/'76 Vending box rips, there is just so much unopened material out there it's crazy to overspend for high grade stuff in the modern era. Basically, the way I see it is this...only low run early 90's inserts, 80's player collector low-run oddball and 70's mod-grade (7/8) can possibly hold value from 1972-today. One of these days people will realize that even Tiger Woods autographed cards (of which there have been less than any major modern athlete) will number in the 10's of thousands by the time his career is over - how could they not - and how could they hold their value if so?
Ryan, in the case of this card and thread, has a ton of collectors, but that 1980 Topps card will probably pop 10 more 10's in the next calendar year alone. With that many fans/submitters, it's almost a stone cold lock. Why would anyone drop 3K on a card they can get for $100 in 3 years? I know collecting is a "hobby" and no one is dumb enough to look at that purchase as an investment, but jeez, take your wife first class to Vegas for a weekend and wait a couple years for the card!
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If their is 14 tens now why would you think 10 more would pop within the next calender year?
Steve
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<< <i>....the most overrated pitcher of all time. >>
i see no mention of Clemens anywhere in this thread. >>
Gimme a break. Clemens is clearly one of the all-time greats - as in top 5 or 10 of all-time. Without question.
- 7 Cy Young Awards
- an MVP
- 12 top-10 Cy Young finishes
- 6 top-10 MVP finishes (+ an 11th place)
- 5-time 20 game winner
- 7-time ERA champ
- 5-time strikeout champ
- 8-time ERA+ champ
- career ERA+ of 143
- 2.37 ERA in 8 career World Series starts
- 354 career wins
In another era, Clemens would have won 425 games or more.
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<< <i>Overrated card of the most overrated pitcher of all time. >>
So that means Hank Aaron is the most overrated player of all time ? >>
Not sure why you're calling him "most overrated". Nobody calls Aaron the greatest of all-time and he's rarely mentioned in top 10 lists. Still, it's pretty tough to overrate a Gold Glove defender who plays in 25 All-Star games, steals 20 bases a year, hits .300 a year, wins 2 batting times, and hits 30+ HRs 15 times.
If you want to talk most overrated, you're better off looking in the direction of Derek Jeter or Cal Ripken.
Tabe
<< <i>Gimme a break. Clemens is clearly one of the all-time greats - as in top 5 or 10 of all-time. Without question.
- 7 Cy Young Awards
- an MVP
- 12 top-10 Cy Young finishes
- 6 top-10 MVP finishes (+ an 11th place)
- 5-time 20 game winner
- 7-time ERA champ
- 5-time strikeout champ
- 8-time ERA+ champ
- career ERA+ of 143
- 2.37 ERA in 8 career World Series starts
- 354 career wins
In another era, Clemens would have won 425 games or more.
>>
Steroids...
<< <i>
<< <i>Gimme a break. Clemens is clearly one of the all-time greats - as in top 5 or 10 of all-time. Without question.
- 7 Cy Young Awards
- an MVP
- 12 top-10 Cy Young finishes
- 6 top-10 MVP finishes (+ an 11th place)
- 5-time 20 game winner
- 7-time ERA champ
- 5-time strikeout champ
- 8-time ERA+ champ
- career ERA+ of 143
- 2.37 ERA in 8 career World Series starts
- 354 career wins
In another era, Clemens would have won 425 games or more.
>>
Steroids... >>
I thought steriods made you bulk up, not go from normal size to fat!!
<< <i>Two words for you...Don Spence!! >>
You hit the nail right on the head. 7***s with 4000+ feedback means that Ryan now resides in the Lonestar Collection.
EDIT: I guess I should have read all the way down to see how derailed this thread got. I wouldn't have even wasted my time...
Re: the overpriced card. you could buy a nice used car for that
Steve
If we can't use his stats then what has Clemens left for us fans to assess his career by? Perhaps his character (do I hear the words perjury, infidelity, statutory rape)?
God forbid he took a product that made him recover quicker from injury. Not much different than when you take antibiotics to recover quickly from illness.
I'm not pro-steroids, just anti-hypocrisy.
Do you have any idea how much speed these older "clean" ballplayers took during their careers?
Trying to discard the statistical career of one of the best pitchers ever because he took a "banned substance" is ridiculous.
And yes, he did lie about it under oath.
He's still top 3 all time.
I was also wrong in assuming that he took PED's so that he could boost his stats so that he could continue to sign huge contracts.
I also admit it was wrong for me not to equate Clemens having his trainer inject him with HGH to that of a player from the 60's popping a pill (speed) so that he would be less sleepy after staying up late and having a few beers with the boys the night before.
I guess I had Clemens all wrong and he indeed is one of the top three pitchers of all time as you suggest. So tomorrow I'm going to throw all my Koufax's, Ryan's & Gibson's on ebay and use the money to invest in Clemens' rookie cards--LOL!!!!
<< <i>If we can't use his stats then what has Clemens left for us fans to assess his career by? >>
To assess his success as a baseball player all we have to do is look at what he did when he was standing on the mound and had the ball in his hands. That is true no matter what crimes he did when not pitching