<< <i>Nobody listened to me in the past when I said these rainbow bag toned coins were not around thirty years ago. The part time toned coin dealers wrote me off as a clown. I feel better now. >>
Quite to the contrary, many exceptional rainbow toned coins were around over thirty years ago. However, they were not widely collected and the premium attached to these pieces was not always that significant. Sadly, many were lost in the "dipping craze" of the mid 70's.
Larry L
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<< <i>Nobody listened to me in the past when I said these rainbow bag toned coins were not around thirty years ago. The part time toned coin dealers wrote me off as a clown. I feel better now. >>
After 30 years some of them could have toned on their own during that time, or they might have been sitting in collections or inventories...not to mention that 30 years ago toners weren't really on everyone's radar. Plus, no offense but it's doubtful you were able to take a census of what was actually "around". 30 years from now some currently untoned pieces may turn into monsters if stored in an atmosphere condusive to same.
I've looked through a lot of original Ike rolls and pulled a personal collection of 30 NT business strike Ikes, each warms my heart, each is more pastel and subtle than any of the "MONSTER TONED!!! Ikes that found their way into TPG holders as market acceptable.
Of my 30, three approach dramatic but are still far from the neon greens and reds one can find on the big dollar AT (my opinion) toned Ikes.
I accept that some Ike proof colorful toners are NT as their plastic holders (Brown Ikes) may have been lined with a soft plastic to assist plastic-on-plastic bonding: while many Brown Ikes housed for three decades in their plastic boxes are trouble-free, many show unfortunate corrosive target toning while a very few have the same target pattern but in a ravishing rainbow of colors, but, and it's a big but, no two are so similar that one has to suspect AT at a glance.
Rob
Modern dollars are like children - before you know it they'll be all grown up.....
<< <i>Nobody listened to me in the past when I said these rainbow bag toned coins were not around thirty years ago. The part time toned coin dealers wrote me off as a clown. I feel better now. >>
Quite to the contrary, many exceptional rainbow toned coins were around over thirty years ago. However, they were not widely collected and the premium attached to these pieces was not always that significant. Sadly, many were lost in the "dipping craze" of the mid 70's.
Larry L
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..At the time everything had to be white to be right.
<< <i>Has anyone tried to dip this colory garbage off of a coin and restore it in as much as it is possible, to a more original state?
Or are they permanently like that?
Is the makeup permanent? >>
I didn't dip it, but I had a Silver Eagle from 1993, that I picked up from a coin show that had some nice purple toning on the back. It was the type of toning that makes it into a slab. Since I didn't pay much of a premium for the coin, I carried it around as a pocket piece. After maybe a month much of the toning disappeared, except around the edges where it was more deeply ingrained.
<< <i>Nobody listened to me in the past when I said these rainbow bag toned coins were not around thirty years ago. The part time toned coin dealers wrote me off as a clown. I feel better now. >>
After 30 years some of them could have toned on their own during that time, or they might have been sitting in collections or inventories...not to mention that 30 years ago toners weren't really on everyone's radar. Plus, no offense but it's doubtful you were able to take a census of what was actually "around". 30 years from now some currently untoned pieces may turn into monsters if stored in an atmosphere condusive to same. >>
These have been the arguements in the past too. I can't really say how valid they are- all I can say is I actively looked for toned coins but usually ended up with a toned silver bar since all the coins were white. If these rainbow neon coins were around how come none were in GSA holders? I mean there are rainbow toners in GSA holders but I never seen a neon monster type coin in one- never!
<< <i>Has anyone tried to dip this colory garbage off of a coin and restore it in as much as it is possible, to a more original state?
Or are they permanently like that?
Is the makeup permanent?
>>
Personally, I'd be leery of dipping any toned coin unless I was fairly certain of the origin of the toning. The wrong mix of chemicals could leave one with a fugly mess.
<< <i>Nobody listened to me in the past when I said these rainbow bag toned coins were not around thirty years ago. The part time toned coin dealers wrote me off as a clown. I feel better now. >>
That's because they used to dip them white -- nobody wanted them. It appears such coins were first "appreciated" when the Continental Illinois hoard showed up in the 1980s.
<< <i> These have been the arguements in the past too. I can't really say how valid they are- all I can say is I actively looked for toned coins but usually ended up with a toned silver bar since all the coins were white. If these rainbow neon coins were around how come none were in GSA holders? I mean there are rainbow toners in GSA holders but I never seen a neon monster type coin in one- never! >>
Sadly, thousands of GSA toners were cracked out and dipped as well.
<< <i>Nobody listened to me in the past when I said these rainbow bag toned coins were not around thirty years ago. The part time toned coin dealers wrote me off as a clown. I feel better now. >>
darktone, I agreed with you then. Now I feel better too. >>
IIRC HRH has stated that toned Morgans were quite plentiful back then.
<< <i> These have been the arguements in the past too. I can't really say how valid they are- all I can say is I actively looked for toned coins but usually ended up with a toned silver bar since all the coins were white. If these rainbow neon coins were around how come none were in GSA holders? I mean there are rainbow toners in GSA holders but I never seen a neon monster type coin in one- never! >>
Sadly, thousands of GSA toners were cracked out and dipped as well. >>
I'd bet that Bryan Sonnier aka GSAGUY has some monster toned GSA CC Morgans. There probly weren't a lot of them and I'd bet the best ones got saved and are in strong hands.
<< <i>If so many of these Morgans are AT how come you see a large portion of the toners between the dates 1883-1887? Why would the coin doctors pick those dates? >>
Because those are dates which are known to furnish substantial quantities of naturally bagged toned Morgans and are likely easier to still acquire in large amounts.
1. my understanding is that toned coins such as those which are the subject of all the bruhaha have always been around in numbers known only to those who collected them. 2. it should come as no surprise to anyone that those most affected by and involved in the TCCS discussion are those who are most invested in the toned coin market. 3. anyone here who is surprised that formerly "in good standing" forum members are linked to the At'ing is either stupid or stupid. 4. forum members have a long and colorful(sic) history of shenanigans which are well documented in threads. 5. it can be much easier to know what isn't AT than it is to know what is AT. 6. anyone here who still holds to the belief that the Peacock Ikes, Appalachian War Nickels, MartyHoard 60's era Nickels, Marguli/Braddick toned IHC's and various other "hoards" and look-a-likes are extraordinary examples should reread #'s 3-4 above(and i like some of those guys). 7. in a Capatilistic society greed will always run rampant to match a demand with a supply. 8. this is all just another sad chapter in the forum logbook. 9. it shouldn't surprise anyone to realize that perhaps some of the best perpetrators of AT'd coins have already reaped their rewards and left the building. 10. collect what you like at a price you consider reasonable.
<< <i>1. my understanding is that toned coins such as those which are the subject of all the bruhaha have always been around in numbers known only to those who collected them. 2. it should come as no surprise to anyone that those most affected by and involved in the TCCS discussion are those who are most invested in the toned coin market. 3. anyone here who is surprised that formerly "in good standing" forum members are linked to the At'ing is either stupid or stupid. 4. forum members have a long and colorful(sic) history of shenanigans which are well documented in threads. 5. it can be much easier to know what isn't AT than it is to know what is AT. 6. anyone here who still holds to the belief that the Peacock Ikes, Appalachian War Nickels, MartyHoard 60's era Nickels, Marguli/Braddick toned IHC's and various other "hoards" and look-a-likes are extraordinary examples should reread #'s 3-4 above(and i like some of those guys). 7. in a Capatilistic society greed will always run rampant to match a demand with a supply. 8. this is all just another sad chapter in the forum logbook. 9. it shouldn't surprise anyone to realize that perhaps some of the best perpetrators of AT'd coins have already reaped their rewards and left the building. 10. collect what you like at a price you consider reasonable. >>
Excellent synopsis. I find it interesting that #2 is very important. It's like the collector who went to China to meet a ming vase dealer. In the back alley in Shanghai he buys a very rare ming dynasty artifact. After a large amount of money changes hands, the collector goes to his hotel to view his prized possession. As he enters the elevator someone asks about his artifact. The collector shows the person the rare treasure, only for the person to say, "Oh yes, we make those by the dozens in the factory down the street. I can get you 20 more by tommorrow."
Interesting reads on this topic. Darktone, I do remember seeing the nicely toned rainbow Morgans 30 years ago, but they would only show up now and then at shows, at least here in TX. I believe Wayne Miller's Moargan and Peace Dollar Texbook came it in '82 and it had quite a few examples of nice rainbow Morgans.
However, I do believe the population of toners of all denominations have increased dramatically over the past 30 years, which is scary in itself. Reminds me of the internet itself, you just have to be very careful out there.
Oh yeah, greetings from Long Beach! Can't wait to go look at some colorful toners!
I am so happy to see so many coming to the understanding of what the toned (tarnished) coin market is all about. I have said, right here, for years, that the doctors are reaping profits because of the toning lemmings. And they continue. Although, more and more are awakening to the sad, but very real, fact that tarnish can be added in virtually any amount, color or style the lemmings deem 'hot'. WAKE UP - it is surface degradation and those who pay 'moon money' for these coins have been conned and will never recoup the investment. Cheers, RickO
<< <i>I toned this coin in my basement, and I think it looks pretty good.
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I see that has toning shadow.
My current, best guess, is that Toning Shadow comes from a passivization layer that happens while the coin is stamped. Any region of metal that gets sufficiently heated during the stamping process will develop a thin layer of protective oxide. That is what the working theory is about Toning Shadow.
Furthermore, I suspect dipping a coin will remove this passivization layer.
And even more furthermore, retoning a coin after dipping will show absolutely no toning shadow.
Unfortunately, to test this theory, I need to AT a coin twice and dip it once. OWCHE. I don't see myself actually doing that.
So..."relicsncoins"...
How about dipping and retoning that coin there for science?
"PCGS forum members allegedly complicit in slabbing/selling AT coins" All you have to do is read these forums, with all the questions about Taco Bell napkins, storing on window sill, hot water heater, bathroom shelf etc... it is so frikken obvious that members have been tarnishing coins all along..... and of course, selling them.... if anyone is surprised - shame on you!!! Cheers, RickO
<< <i>"PCGS forum members allegedly complicit in slabbing/selling AT coins" All you have to do is read these forums, with all the questions about Taco Bell napkins, storing on window sill, hot water heater, bathroom shelf etc... it is so frikken obvious that members have been tarnishing coins all along..... and of course, selling them.... if anyone is surprised - shame on you!!! Cheers, RickO >>
Can I say I am surprised by the quality of some of these pieces and not have to feel ashamed
<< <i>"PCGS forum members allegedly complicit in slabbing/selling AT coins" All you have to do is read these forums, with all the questions about Taco Bell napkins, storing on window sill, hot water heater, bathroom shelf etc... it is so frikken obvious that members have been tarnishing coins all along..... and of course, selling them.... if anyone is surprised - shame on you!!! Cheers, RickO >>
RickO:
I think you are a Granite Cornerstone Foundation of this forum.
However, I do believe the population of toners of all denominations have increased dramatically over the past 30 years, which is scary in itself.
this is a part of the indictment of toned coins that i don't necessarily agree with. it is entirely reasonable to expect to see toned coins from across the entire realm of U.S. Proof and Mint State coinage and what would be suspect to my mind is only seeing toning from a select denomination(s). certainly the pictures posted of various issues over at TCCS can raise suspicion, but only due to the similarity in color patterns or progression across the surface of different coins, not because different denominations have been found with striking color. the mere nature of collectors and the fact that it seems to be a habit to store coins undisturbed for extended periods of time(years and decades) coupled with some pretty poor quality storage mediums is what has accounted for all the various toned coins. i know that i run into stuff as a matter of routine and have been putting the better quality toned coins away for awhile now. not that i have a huge number of coins, but i have a wide range of what the pasted reply above would call into question.
it was one of my tasks at the end of last year and into about February of this year to consolidate all of the albums my boss had accumulated over the counter during the past who-knows-how-many-years. they ranged from Lincoln Cents right on up to SBA's/Sac Dollars and were housed chiefly in Dansco and Whitman albums with a scattering of LOC's, Littleton and Wayte Raymond albums among other less well known types. i can tell you without reservation that each of those albums aren't stable under the right(or perhaps wrong) conditions and will promote tone. even Sac Dollars showed some nice color and they could only have been in the albums for a few years.
logic tells me that this is happening all around the Nation and that at least a few really intense toned coins are being produced in an unwitting fashion by collectors who don't know AT from a Jersey cow!!!
BTW, one of my favorite storage mediums is the screw together Proof Set holders that Capital Plastics makes. i have found some really sweet color coins in them, especially the Nickels and Dimes.
<< <i>However, I do believe the population of toners of all denominations have increased dramatically over the past 30 years, which is scary in itself.
this is a part of the indictment of toned coins that i don't necessarily agree with. . >>
<< <i>However, I do believe the population of toners of all denominations have increased dramatically over the past 30 years, which is scary in itself.
this is a part of the indictment of toned coins that i don't necessarily agree with. . >>
this all makes me re-assess what i have in my collection while checking notes/receipts and my memory to remember where what came from. it also makes me thankful that the best color coins i have are in TPG holders of various generations spanning 20 plus years. when these types of clandestine operations are exposed i always wonder about the guys who have stuff that fits into a narrow window. i think it also tends to put a question mark next to 100% legitimate coins(slabbed but especially raw) for a period of time while hanging a sign in the back of every graders mind that might pop up during a submission.
<< <i>All toning is a contamination of the coin's metal with a foreign substance.
The grading services should not reward it with a point or two higher grade.
A guy just sneezed on my ice cream cone, so now it's BETTER.... >>
Every time I read statements like this I think of how many undergraded toned coins I have seen in holder.....certainly hundreds so the assumption that they get a bump isn't always based on reality. Besides eye appeal is one of the factors that decides a grade on a coin just like luster and surface marks so why can't a coin with exceptional eye appeal sometimes get a 1 point bump? Also I wouldn't consider (toning) Silver Sulfide a foreign substance as it occurs naturally when silver oxidizes....
yeah, Frank, you sort of dropped that sneezed-upon-ice-cream-cone on your shoes with that post!!! the brilliant coin has a thin film of "skin" on its surface, the light passing through it just isn't really being affected so it reaches your eyes as white. also, it is a given that the brilliant coin with mind blowing luster has probably been given a grade bump, and for a good reason. i have coins which are white but lack that strong luster and coins whose tone has muted the luster: both have been held back in grade as a result. from My Lofty Perch the best of both worlds is a toned coin with strong luster.
<< <i>All toning is a contamination of the coin's metal with a foreign substance.
The grading services should not reward it with a point or two higher grade.
A guy just sneezed on my ice cream cone, so now it's BETTER.... >>
I think perhaps the more applicable parallel could be drawn by adding chocolate syrup to your ice cream cone -- with the operative question being if the chocolate is artificial or natural.
Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
<< <i>All toning is a contamination of the coin's metal with a foreign substance.
The grading services should not reward it with a point or two higher grade.
A guy just sneezed on my ice cream cone, so now it's BETTER.... >>
I think perhaps the more applicable parallel could be drawn by adding chocolate syrup to your ice cream cone -- with the operative question being if the chocolate is artificial or natural. >>
The "operative question" should be whether the TPG's call the chocalate artficial or natural
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<< <i>Nobody listened to me in the past when I said these rainbow bag toned coins were not around thirty years ago. The part time toned coin dealers wrote me off as a clown. I feel better now.
Quite to the contrary, many exceptional rainbow toned coins were around over thirty years ago. However, they were not widely collected and the premium attached to these pieces was not always that significant. Sadly, many were lost in the "dipping craze" of the mid 70's.
Larry L
<< <i>Nobody listened to me in the past when I said these rainbow bag toned coins were not around thirty years ago. The part time toned coin dealers wrote me off as a clown. I feel better now.
After 30 years some of them could have toned on their own during that time, or they might have been sitting in collections or inventories...not to mention that 30 years ago toners weren't really on everyone's radar. Plus, no offense but it's doubtful you were able to take a census of what was actually "around". 30 years from now some currently untoned pieces may turn into monsters if stored in an atmosphere condusive to same.
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Of my 30, three approach dramatic but are still far from the neon greens and reds one can find on the big dollar AT (my opinion) toned Ikes.
I accept that some Ike proof colorful toners are NT as their plastic holders (Brown Ikes) may have been lined with a soft plastic to assist plastic-on-plastic bonding: while many Brown Ikes housed for three decades in their plastic boxes are trouble-free, many show unfortunate corrosive target toning while a very few have the same target pattern but in a ravishing rainbow of colors, but, and it's a big but, no two are so similar that one has to suspect AT at a glance.
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<< <i>Thanks for the entertainment, Pat.
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<< <i>Nobody listened to me in the past when I said these rainbow bag toned coins were not around thirty years ago. The part time toned coin dealers wrote me off as a clown. I feel better now.
Quite to the contrary, many exceptional rainbow toned coins were around over thirty years ago. However, they were not widely collected and the premium attached to these pieces was not always that significant. Sadly, many were lost in the "dipping craze" of the mid 70's.
Larry L
<< <i>Has anyone tried to dip this colory garbage off of a coin and restore it in as much as it is possible, to a more original state?
Or are they permanently like that?
Is the makeup permanent?
>>
I didn't dip it, but I had a Silver Eagle from 1993, that I picked up from a coin show that had some nice purple toning on the back. It was the type of toning that makes it into a slab. Since I didn't pay much of a premium for the coin, I carried it around as a pocket piece. After maybe a month much of the toning disappeared, except around the edges where it was more deeply ingrained.
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<< <i>Nobody listened to me in the past when I said these rainbow bag toned coins were not around thirty years ago. The part time toned coin dealers wrote me off as a clown. I feel better now.
After 30 years some of them could have toned on their own during that time, or they might have been sitting in collections or inventories...not to mention that 30 years ago toners weren't really on everyone's radar. Plus, no offense but it's doubtful you were able to take a census of what was actually "around". 30 years from now some currently untoned pieces may turn into monsters if stored in an atmosphere condusive to same. >>
These have been the arguements in the past too. I can't really say how valid they are- all I can say is I actively looked for toned coins but usually ended up with a toned silver bar since all the coins were white. If these rainbow neon coins were around how come none were in GSA holders? I mean there are rainbow toners in GSA holders but I never seen a neon monster type coin in one- never!
<< <i>Well I'm sure glad I apparently only buy NT coins, i.e. (Naturally Tooled).
Or noticeably tooled.
<< <i>Has anyone tried to dip this colory garbage off of a coin and restore it in as much as it is possible, to a more original state?
Or are they permanently like that?
Is the makeup permanent?
Personally, I'd be leery of dipping any toned coin unless I was fairly certain of the origin of the toning. The wrong mix of chemicals could leave one with a fugly mess.
<< <i>Nobody listened to me in the past when I said these rainbow bag toned coins were not around thirty years ago. The part time toned coin dealers wrote me off as a clown. I feel better now.
That's because they used to dip them white -- nobody wanted them. It appears such coins were first "appreciated" when the Continental Illinois hoard showed up in the 1980s.
<< <i> These have been the arguements in the past too. I can't really say how valid they are- all I can say is I actively looked for toned coins but usually ended up with a toned silver bar since all the coins were white. If these rainbow neon coins were around how come none were in GSA holders? I mean there are rainbow toners in GSA holders but I never seen a neon monster type coin in one- never! >>
Sadly, thousands of GSA toners were cracked out and dipped as well.
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<< <i>Nobody listened to me in the past when I said these rainbow bag toned coins were not around thirty years ago. The part time toned coin dealers wrote me off as a clown. I feel better now.
darktone, I agreed with you then. Now I feel better too. >>
IIRC HRH has stated that toned Morgans were quite plentiful back then.
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<< <i> These have been the arguements in the past too. I can't really say how valid they are- all I can say is I actively looked for toned coins but usually ended up with a toned silver bar since all the coins were white. If these rainbow neon coins were around how come none were in GSA holders? I mean there are rainbow toners in GSA holders but I never seen a neon monster type coin in one- never! >>
Sadly, thousands of GSA toners were cracked out and dipped as well. >>
I'd bet that Bryan Sonnier aka GSAGUY has some monster toned GSA CC Morgans. There probly weren't a lot of them and I'd bet the best ones got saved and are in strong hands.
<< <i>If so many of these Morgans are AT how come you see a large portion of the toners between the dates 1883-1887? Why would the coin doctors pick those dates? >>
Because those are dates which are known to furnish substantial quantities of naturally bagged toned Morgans and are likely easier to still acquire in large amounts.
2. it should come as no surprise to anyone that those most affected by and involved in the TCCS discussion are those who are most invested in the toned coin market.
3. anyone here who is surprised that formerly "in good standing" forum members are linked to the At'ing is either stupid or stupid.
4. forum members have a long and colorful(sic) history of shenanigans which are well documented in threads.
5. it can be much easier to know what isn't AT than it is to know what is AT.
6. anyone here who still holds to the belief that the Peacock Ikes, Appalachian War Nickels, MartyHoard 60's era Nickels, Marguli/Braddick toned IHC's and various other "hoards" and look-a-likes are extraordinary examples should reread #'s 3-4 above(and i like some of those guys).
7. in a Capatilistic society greed will always run rampant to match a demand with a supply.
8. this is all just another sad chapter in the forum logbook.
9. it shouldn't surprise anyone to realize that perhaps some of the best perpetrators of AT'd coins have already reaped their rewards and left the building.
10. collect what you like at a price you consider reasonable.
<< <i>1. my understanding is that toned coins such as those which are the subject of all the bruhaha have always been around in numbers known only to those who collected them.
2. it should come as no surprise to anyone that those most affected by and involved in the TCCS discussion are those who are most invested in the toned coin market.
3. anyone here who is surprised that formerly "in good standing" forum members are linked to the At'ing is either stupid or stupid.
4. forum members have a long and colorful(sic) history of shenanigans which are well documented in threads.
5. it can be much easier to know what isn't AT than it is to know what is AT.
6. anyone here who still holds to the belief that the Peacock Ikes, Appalachian War Nickels, MartyHoard 60's era Nickels, Marguli/Braddick toned IHC's and various other "hoards" and look-a-likes are extraordinary examples should reread #'s 3-4 above(and i like some of those guys).
7. in a Capatilistic society greed will always run rampant to match a demand with a supply.
8. this is all just another sad chapter in the forum logbook.
9. it shouldn't surprise anyone to realize that perhaps some of the best perpetrators of AT'd coins have already reaped their rewards and left the building.
10. collect what you like at a price you consider reasonable. >>
Excellent synopsis. I find it interesting that #2 is very important. It's like the collector who went to China to meet a ming vase dealer. In the back alley in Shanghai he buys a very rare ming dynasty artifact. After a large amount of money changes hands, the collector goes to his hotel to view his prized possession. As he enters the elevator someone asks about his artifact. The collector shows the person the rare treasure, only for the person to say, "Oh yes, we make those by the dozens in the factory down the street. I can get you 20 more by tommorrow."
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simply excellent analysis.
I have always felt it wise to be very selective in picking pretty toned coins and not to get too attached to acquiring more and more of them.
I try to just find them quite interesting rather than quite interested in them. There is a big difference.
Nice job keets
However, I do believe the population of toners of all denominations have increased dramatically over the past 30 years, which is scary in itself. Reminds me of the internet itself, you just have to be very careful out there.
Oh yeah, greetings from Long Beach! Can't wait to go look at some colorful toners!
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<< <i>I toned this coin in my basement, and I think it looks pretty good.
Therein lies the problem.
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<< <i>I toned this coin in my basement, and I think it looks pretty good.
I see that has toning shadow.
My current, best guess, is that Toning Shadow comes from a passivization layer that happens while the coin is stamped. Any region of metal that gets sufficiently heated during the stamping process will develop a thin layer of protective oxide. That is what the working theory is about Toning Shadow.
Furthermore, I suspect dipping a coin will remove this passivization layer.
And even more furthermore, retoning a coin after dipping will show absolutely no toning shadow.
Unfortunately, to test this theory, I need to AT a coin twice and dip it once. OWCHE. I don't see myself actually doing that.
So..."relicsncoins"...
How about dipping and retoning that coin there for science?
<< <i>I toned this coin in my basement, and I think it looks pretty good.
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
<< <i>Twould be nice if most of those toners look anywheres near as nice as the pics of them do. >>
I agree!
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<< <i>I toned this coin in my basement, and I think it looks pretty good.
Therein lies the problem. >>
He's lying
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<< <i>I toned this coin in my basement, and I think it looks pretty good.
Therein lies the problem. >>
He's lying -- that is bag toning. I'm not aware of any doctor who can duplicate pull-away toning. >>
I'm not so sure about that. (At the same time, I am not indicting this coin.)
or even a trial. We are ready......Somebody git a rope.....Find me a tree....!
We ain't never hung no silver dollar afore. Let us all hope that Marshall Mat Bear,
don't come on this here scene of Western Justice.
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<< <i>I toned this coin in my basement, and I think it looks pretty good.
Therein lies the problem. >>
He's lying -- that is bag toning. I'm not aware of any doctor who can duplicate pull-away toning. >>
Lying is such a harsh word.........I was thinking more of kidding.
All you have to do is read these forums, with all the questions about Taco Bell napkins, storing on window sill, hot water heater, bathroom shelf etc... it is so frikken obvious that members have been tarnishing coins all along..... and of course, selling them.... if anyone is surprised - shame on you!!! Cheers, RickO
<< <i>"PCGS forum members allegedly complicit in slabbing/selling AT coins"
All you have to do is read these forums, with all the questions about Taco Bell napkins, storing on window sill, hot water heater, bathroom shelf etc... it is so frikken obvious that members have been tarnishing coins all along..... and of course, selling them.... if anyone is surprised - shame on you!!! Cheers, RickO >>
Can I say I am surprised by the quality of some of these pieces and not have to feel ashamed
<< <i>"PCGS forum members allegedly complicit in slabbing/selling AT coins"
All you have to do is read these forums, with all the questions about Taco Bell napkins, storing on window sill, hot water heater, bathroom shelf etc... it is so frikken obvious that members have been tarnishing coins all along..... and of course, selling them.... if anyone is surprised - shame on you!!! Cheers, RickO >>
RickO:
I think you are a Granite Cornerstone Foundation of this forum.
Kudos!
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<< <i>I toned this coin in my basement, and I think it looks pretty good.
Therein lies the problem. >>
He's lying -- that is bag toning. I'm not aware of any doctor who can duplicate pull-away toning. >>
Lying is such a harsh word.........I was thinking more of kidding.
Sorry, forgot to add the
this is a part of the indictment of toned coins that i don't necessarily agree with. it is entirely reasonable to expect to see toned coins from across the entire realm of U.S. Proof and Mint State coinage and what would be suspect to my mind is only seeing toning from a select denomination(s). certainly the pictures posted of various issues over at TCCS can raise suspicion, but only due to the similarity in color patterns or progression across the surface of different coins, not because different denominations have been found with striking color. the mere nature of collectors and the fact that it seems to be a habit to store coins undisturbed for extended periods of time(years and decades) coupled with some pretty poor quality storage mediums is what has accounted for all the various toned coins. i know that i run into stuff as a matter of routine and have been putting the better quality toned coins away for awhile now. not that i have a huge number of coins, but i have a wide range of what the pasted reply above would call into question.
it was one of my tasks at the end of last year and into about February of this year to consolidate all of the albums my boss had accumulated over the counter during the past who-knows-how-many-years. they ranged from Lincoln Cents right on up to SBA's/Sac Dollars and were housed chiefly in Dansco and Whitman albums with a scattering of LOC's, Littleton and Wayte Raymond albums among other less well known types. i can tell you without reservation that each of those albums aren't stable under the right(or perhaps wrong) conditions and will promote tone. even Sac Dollars showed some nice color and they could only have been in the albums for a few years.
logic tells me that this is happening all around the Nation and that at least a few really intense toned coins are being produced in an unwitting fashion by collectors who don't know AT from a Jersey cow!!!
BTW, one of my favorite storage mediums is the screw together Proof Set holders that Capital Plastics makes. i have found some really sweet color coins in them, especially the Nickels and Dimes.
<< <i>However, I do believe the population of toners of all denominations have increased dramatically over the past 30 years, which is scary in itself.
this is a part of the indictment of toned coins that i don't necessarily agree with. . >>
I agree with your non-agreement.
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<< <i>However, I do believe the population of toners of all denominations have increased dramatically over the past 30 years, which is scary in itself.
this is a part of the indictment of toned coins that i don't necessarily agree with. . >>
I agree with your non-agreement. >>
I agree with your agreement of the non-agreement
The grading services should not reward it with a point or two higher grade.
A guy just sneezed on my ice cream cone, so now it's BETTER....
<< <i>All toning is a contamination of the coin's metal with a foreign substance.
The grading services should not reward it with a point or two higher grade.
A guy just sneezed on my ice cream cone, so now it's BETTER.... >>
Every time I read statements like this I think of how many undergraded toned coins I have seen in holder.....certainly hundreds so the assumption that they get a bump isn't always based on reality. Besides eye appeal is one of the factors that decides a grade on a coin just like luster and surface marks so why can't a coin with exceptional eye appeal sometimes get a 1 point bump? Also I wouldn't consider (toning) Silver Sulfide a foreign substance as it occurs naturally when silver oxidizes....
As for your ice cream.....that's snot funny.....
<< <i>All toning is a contamination of the coin's metal with a foreign substance.
The grading services should not reward it with a point or two higher grade.
A guy just sneezed on my ice cream cone, so now it's BETTER.... >>
I think perhaps the more applicable parallel could be drawn by adding chocolate syrup to your ice cream cone -- with the operative question being if the chocolate is artificial or natural.
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<< <i>All toning is a contamination of the coin's metal with a foreign substance.
The grading services should not reward it with a point or two higher grade.
A guy just sneezed on my ice cream cone, so now it's BETTER.... >>
I think perhaps the more applicable parallel could be drawn by adding chocolate syrup to your ice cream cone -- with the operative question being if the chocolate is artificial or natural. >>
The "operative question" should be whether the TPG's call the chocalate artficial or natural
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<< <i>All toning is a contamination of the coin's metal with a foreign substance.
The grading services should not reward it with a point or two higher grade.
A guy just sneezed on my ice cream cone, so now it's BETTER.... >>
Proof that 42 years experience can mean very little.