Took a Gamble and Bought a Jordan Rookie - It Almost Worked Out
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I took a gamble and bought a PSA 7 Jordan Rookie from a first-time eBay seller. The scan was very poor but the centering appeared great.
Got a great price - $372
I thought for a moment that I was scammed (I knew it was risky) but all appeared legit.
The seller confirmed that he shipped on the day following the auction -- and it arrived today . . .
I guess it was not meant to be.
I expect that he's going to be more bummed than I -- most folks just don't realize how PWEs are processed. He listed shipping as "USPS Priority Flat Rate Envelope"
To add insult to injury, I also received today a set of (before shipping) NrMt/Mt 1967 Pin-ups that were also poorly packaged and several got dog-eared -- the most damage (of course) to the Mantle.
Man I'm glad it's a 3-day weekend.
Scott
Got a great price - $372
I thought for a moment that I was scammed (I knew it was risky) but all appeared legit.
The seller confirmed that he shipped on the day following the auction -- and it arrived today . . .
I guess it was not meant to be.
I expect that he's going to be more bummed than I -- most folks just don't realize how PWEs are processed. He listed shipping as "USPS Priority Flat Rate Envelope"
To add insult to injury, I also received today a set of (before shipping) NrMt/Mt 1967 Pin-ups that were also poorly packaged and several got dog-eared -- the most damage (of course) to the Mantle.
Man I'm glad it's a 3-day weekend.
Scott
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Always plenty of PSA-graded cards in my ebay store -- https://ebay.com/str/thelumbercompanysportscards
Always plenty of PSA-graded cards in my ebay store -- https://ebay.com/str/thelumbercompanysportscards
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I'd file the PP claim today. The seller can close the claim with a refund anytime they want.
Dave
But the way it is cracked, i would say that probably happened at usps..that would be tough to crack like that purposely.
Thought: Any chance that the slab was already broken when it was put up for sale?
I hope you put i a claim and get your money back. Was it insured?
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
Did you pay via paypal? If so, you should have no problem.
I like how he asks you to leave some positive feedback in the note.
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Almost $400 dollar card without Ins. and DC. Guy is an Idiot or, and this is a Big or, there is some sort of scam going on here. This is starting to smell fishy !!!
Neil
Don't waste your time and fees listing on ebay before getting in touch me by PM or at gregmo32@aol.com !
<< <i>Sure thats not a reprint in that broken slab? >>
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Hi Allen,
I thought about that possibility too for a second, but wouldn't that mean the seller would have had to crack the slab almost in the middle of it to make the switch? Or were you taking it from a different angle?
Just wondering?
PoppaJ
Was your purchase made outside of eBay by any chance?
I did a search and couldn't find the auction anywhere. I wanted to check the seller out a little bit.
Just curious .... not trying to be intrusive
PoppaJ
In lieu of the poor auction picture, I asked the seller for better pictures of the front and back of the card. He emailed me, but there were no pictures attached. He didn't reply to my follow-up email. This was shortly before the auctioned ended, however.
I hope you are able to resolve the issue. I still can't believe him mailing that item in an envelope.
It was on eBay (and paid via PayPal) but I really don't want to rat the guy out because I do believe it was an honest (albeit stupid) mistake.
If I find him unresponsive I'll be more than willing to give more detail.
Always plenty of PSA-graded cards in my ebay store -- https://ebay.com/str/thelumbercompanysportscards
<< <i>Hi Scott,
Was your purchase made outside of eBay by any chance?
PoppaJ >>
If it was outside of ebay make sure you file a not received claim and delete this thread. There is no SNAD protection outside of ebay
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That's a fact!
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In the instant EBAY case:
1. The guy is either a crook; or,
2. Not bright.
I would file a PayPal SNAD-claim now.
(PayPal likely has a hold on his funds, so it should be an easy grab.)
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<< <i>
In the instant EBAY case:
1. The guy is either a crook; or,
2. Not bright.
I would file a PayPal SNAD-claim now.
(PayPal likely has a hold on his funds, so it should be an easy grab.) >>
I'm going with not bright. He already left Scott positive feedback. All of his feedback is as a buyer.
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Sorry this happened to you.
Steve
<< <i>That sucks man. I feel like people are getting screwed left and right the last few weeks. >>
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Happily, for buyers who use PayPal and a Credit Card there is
really no way they can be cheated on EBAY.
Sellers are at serious risk of loss on every transaction.
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<< <i>That sucks man. I feel like people are getting screwed left and right the last few weeks. >>
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Happily, for buyers who use PayPal and a Credit Card there is
really no way they can be cheated on EBAY.
Sellers are at serious risk of loss on every transaction. >>
True Dat......Insurance (All Over $50 Sales). and DC (All Sales over $25) ...A Sellers best friend !!!!. But then again not bragging, but you Sports guy's seem to have a lot more trouble than us Non Sports guy's. Over 2000 packages sent in the last year, most low dollar, most Non Sports (Under $25), no Ins. and no DC and One out of 2000 package's missing, refunded the guy his $10 bucks and moved on !!! Big part is that at least 50% of my business is repeat Buyers !!
Neil
<< <i>I took a gamble and Got a great price - $372 >>
Looks like the seller took a gamble as well but came up less then what he paid for it.
Jeff
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<< <i>...makes the Allen theory more probable... >>
My gut says this is not going to end well.
Me thinks Allen is spot on.
Steve
<< <i>Come to think of it that envelope looks awfully clean to have had a slab break into 2 like that.
Me thinks Allen is spot on.
Steve >>
Yes indeed, Steve. And look at the yellow writing paper as well--not so much as an indentation on it. File that claim now!
Good luck. Eyebone
<< <i>Come to think of it that envelope looks awfully clean to have had a slab break into 2 like that.
Me thinks Allen is spot on.
Steve >>
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Based on the seller's FB-total and registration date,
his PayPal account has a 21-day hold on it.
Since this is his first sale, maybe he did not know that.
But, a clear notice appears on the screen during the
listing process.
I suspect the seller just lacks clues about how to ship stuff.
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Since the card is now out of the slab, it should be fairly
easy to determine if it is counterfeit.
Scam all the way !!!!!
Neil
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If the slab broke in the machine, an indent or worse might/would be expected.
If the slab suffered a crush injury in a bin, or was simply dropped flat onto a
concrete floor, there might not be an indent.
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The fast solve is to determine if the card is genuine.
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OP should file the PP claim.
make paypal claim immediately and remember when sending the card back to use signature conf as the item is over the 250.00 limit.
so your out 3 or 4 bucks better then 372. JMHO
ps: might be a fake Jordan???
It seems holders break in the mail from blunt force, not from bending. Two of my cracked holders looked similar to the Jordan holder. I would imagine a large box, or something very heavy, fell on the envelope. PSA holders are not very strong.
-Nathanael
Has the seller responded at all yet?
I spoke with eBay customer service today and they were very helpful and understanding (I'm actually part of an ongoing customer service pilot that eBay is running). Their first move is to contact the seller, make him aware of the issue and (hopefully) resolve with a full refund. Without cooperation, they will begin investigation after five business days.
eBay has suggested that I do not (yet) return the card as it might complicate things to return it this soon.
Storm -- does this course of action sit well with you?
Thanks to all for the constructive feedback -- I'll keep the board posted.
Scott
p.s. FWIW is still believe it was an honest (albeit stupid) mistake -- I've looked at the card and it appears genuine -- based on the common methods to identify a fake. The theory that the holder was "bluntly" hit seems most likely to me.
Always plenty of PSA-graded cards in my ebay store -- https://ebay.com/str/thelumbercompanysportscards
Steve
Steve -- I thought I was but the cs number via the PayPal dispute console sent me to eBay customer service.
Always plenty of PSA-graded cards in my ebay store -- https://ebay.com/str/thelumbercompanysportscards
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Absolutely NOT!
I would NOT - UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES - participate in EBAY's
"Buyer Protection" scheme, as a buyer.
PayPal is - and always will be - the correct route to a remedy.
BUT, since you have already been captured by the EBAY creatures,
you need to stick with them.
Their new "program" is about the buyer/seller "hugging it out." I
just want my refund, and don't need/want a hug from a stranger.
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There is a work around on that trap at the PP site.
It has changed several times in the past 2-weeks;
they are trying to make it more difficult to bypass
the new EBAY scheme.
Folks who cannot get around the trap online should
call a LIVE person at PP; best to ALWAYS ask for a
supervisor.
"Go ahead and send the item back to the seller, as they should be expecting the item as a result of this case"
. . . and as I am posting this message, I just received an email from the seller essentially apologizing for the problem.
I'll continue to post updates.
Scott
Always plenty of PSA-graded cards in my ebay store -- https://ebay.com/str/thelumbercompanysportscards
Insure it, and use Signature Confirmation.
I would use a flat-rate Priority Mail container; and, pack the thing well.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>It sounds like paypal is now making it more difficult for buyers to get a refund by routing them to this ebay resolution process...but aren't ebay and paypal one and the same? What is the point of having two different resolution processes in place, one from paypal and one from ebay, when the same parent company owns both entities?? How do these processes ultimately differ? I'm confused.. >>
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In theory, EBAY can resolve disputes/claims MUCH cheaper than PayPal can.
My concern is that EBAY simply cannot do the job at ANY cost. Thus, buyers
will suffer needless delays and sellers may or may not get a "fair" hearing.
EBAY is the merchant of record in on-EBAY PayPal transactions. It would make
sense for them to "resolve disputes/claims." The quality of EBAY's workers
causes me to doubt that they can get the job done, though.
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Sellers who accept the EBAY-resolution scheme should anticipate that EBAY
will, from time to time, dip into such sellers' PayPal accounts; and, if an alt
funding source is stipulated, EBAY will hit sellers' checking accounts as well.
Thw world's largest outlet mall really does not need/want small sellers.