Give me your opinion on this seated proof

Flatwoods

I know it's hard to tell from a pic (especially mine) but give me your best guess on grade.
I'm trying to figure out if PCGS graded this one according to the haze on the obverse or did they see something else.
I know they frown upon haze on proofs. This one has one ding about 11:00 on the obverse.
It actually shows up a little worse in hand. The reverse looks clean to me.

What do you think? What would it grade without the haze? Just curious.

Bayard1908

No higher than 63

Flatwoods

Without the haze or because of the haze?

relicsncoins

Looks a bit hazy.

TennesseeDave

I may get flamed for this,but I think the coin would benefit from a good dip!

CarlWohlforth

Am I seeing hairlines on the obverse fields near 2 o'clock? What is the white cloud? Is that white cloudy haze or is there some reflection from the plastic slab? It looks like there are a few nicks on the rims that shouldn't affect the grade much.

STONE

Putty?

Flatwoods

Yes. There are a couple of hairlines near 2:00 on the obverse.
There is no reflection from the slab. The haze is on the coin.
It is not nearly that bad in hand but showed up really well in the pic.

I am just trying to get some ideas on how much the haze effects the grade on seated proofs.
This is not a series I am familiar with. I am sure it is graded properly. Just trying to learn a little.

Bayard1908

<< <i>Yes. There are a couple of hairlines near 2:00 on the obverse.
There is no reflection from the slab. The haze is on the coin.
It is not nearly that bad in hand but showed up really well in the pic.

I am just trying to get some ideas on how much the haze effects the grade on seated proofs.
This is not a series I am familiar with. I am sure it is graded properly. Just trying to learn a little. >>



I've never seen a hazy 64. I've seen plenty of hazy 63s.

commoncents05

I would put it at 62.

-Paul

Flatwoods

It is in a 62 holder. Just trying to figure out why.
I have 62 Morgans that are beat all to ****
Grading proofs is new for me. As is the cloudy haze on this one.
Thanks for the help all. It's getting late here.

abitofthisabitofthat

Hi - I would avoid any haze on Seated Proofs like the plague. There are enough examples out there that you do not need to compromise. The reason people like proofs, in addition to the usually excellent strikes, are for the mirrors. Proorly struck proofs, and hazy proofs, are, IMHO, coins that no one wants.

As for comparing a 62 proof Seated to a 62 MS Morgan - that is apples and oranges. Grading is completely different.

BillJones

Way too hazy for my taste, especially for a post 1859 Proof when Proof coins start to become more common. The obverse is not nice, and the reverse isn't really that much better.