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What's the board protocol when BST sellers are... um... mistaken on their raw grades?

DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I'm talking about cases where it's obvious and glaring from the high quality photos provided. Are we supposed to stay quiet, or are we allowed to yell "foul!"?
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  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    Yell foul image





    ....unless it's one of my coins image
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 34,587 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I thought commentary wasn't allowed ??? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?
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  • MillertimeMillertime Posts: 2,048 ✭✭
    It's ok, I can take it. Personally I would appreciate input from experienced board members, espcially if an explanation was provided.

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  • rgCoinGuyrgCoinGuy Posts: 7,478 ✭
    A PM first would probably be nice before calling it out on the bst thread.
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  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165 ✭
    Try communicating & letting whomever it may be know that you're not satisfied
    and would appreciate some sort of adjustment or a return option. JMHO, FWIW!image
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  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    Ignore the grade and focus on the price and picture. Pass or play, but correcting/commenting on grading on a BST thread is in bad taste (unless asked for), IMO.

    That's not to say over-grading isn't in worse taste, but rather that I would not comment in this situation...Mike
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  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165 ✭
    Sorry! I misunderstood.

    I suppose a PM would be in order!
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  • themasterthemaster Posts: 676 ✭✭✭
    Send them a polite PM. If they don't return a polite PM, ignore their posts in the future.

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  • RedTigerRedTiger Posts: 5,608 ✭


    << <i>I thought commentary wasn't allowed ??? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? >>



    Correct. Commentary, isn't allowed. Say nothing, move along. If there is a photo, it speaks for itself, though photos don't always communicate an accurate grade. If there is a good enough photo, why the need for commentary? Does the commentator think that everyone else needs a grade-nanny? They don't. If they do, they are going to lose their money on other venues soon enough. You can't save every fool.

    Speaking of grade nannies, I remember a certified coin offered for sale with a photo on BST and a rookie collector who had bought all of one coin of that type. The rookie jumps all over the seller with public comments about offering an obviously overgraded coin. The rookie was the idiot. That's one reason the rule exists, because there are so many folks that know very little but think they are experts because they bought one or two coins. It was entirely clear to the idiot rookie collector that the coin was two grades overgraded based on the photo, even though a TPG had seen the coin in hand and disagreed.

    I have also seen folks on the main forum in the guess that grade threads, that are consistently one or two grades over the consensus. Those folks can't grade worth a darn. Some of them offer lots and lots of raw coins with their grades for sale, without photos. Again, commentary is only going to cause a problem.

    Same deal with clear overpricing. Some sellers list their BST lots well above normal retail price for their common coins, sometimes like double. Silence, in the form of zero inquiries will tend to tell them something. Commentary usually only causes problems.




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  • JCMhoustonJCMhouston Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭
    I would certainly think a pm might be appropriate. But if they have a high quality photo, and you don't like the grade or price then why not just move along. Remember that some of our members have grading standards that border on the insane. For example earlier this year there was a posting of a nice PCGS AU50 half and members were guessing anything from VF35-AU55, just because one of us doesn't agree with a grade doesn't mean it's wrong.
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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,163 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Send a polite PM of inquiry, giving the seller the opportunity to correct a "clerical error." If he doesn't, then the picture will speak for itself.
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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,932 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There had been a thread locked at the top of the BST and posted by one of the moderators that stated that commentary was not allowed, though the thread may not be locked there at this moment. It seems pretty clear that you should refrain from a grade critique and to send a polite PM.
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  • habaracahabaraca Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭✭✭
    maybe you should ask others before you assign a grade then
  • SmittysSmittys Posts: 9,876 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Polite PM,
    it's just like the other day i put an item up for trade, and someone asked what it was worth.
    I commented 1200.00 plus
    Another poster comes on and says it's only worth 750.00

    The last two auction results were 1225.00 and 1341.00

    Sometimes it just best to shut up, or be nice and PM any concerns you have
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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    A sellers opinion on the coins they sell, is just that, an opinion.

    A little over enthusiastic perhaps, but an opinion. Folks who

    do not know what they are doing, have no business buying

    raw coins. Caveat Emptor (Let the buyer beware!). You may

    notify the seller , privately of any error in the coin description , but

    I would not get involved in bad mouthing the seller by contacting

    the potential buyer.

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  • Kdog08Kdog08 Posts: 771
    It depends on the Vam Dennis! image
  • PrivateCoinCollectorPrivateCoinCollector Posts: 2,415 ✭
    Regardless of what they say it is, if you like it, offer them what you think it is right and mention your opinion of the grade. No need to be a cop if you have no interest in the wares.
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  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Regardless of what they say it is, if you like it, offer them what you think it is right and mention your opinion of the grade. >>

    Just curious, but what is the benefit of doing that? Wouldn't it make more sense to just make your offer and leave off the commentary regarding your opinion of the grade?

    Unless the seller asks your opinion, I don't see any advantage in bringing up the topic.
  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,933 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What if it is not a coin the OP wants to buy but blatant over grading by a seller regarding a coin he is trying to sell. If the seller is over-grading a coin by 15 or 20 points should that be mentioned?
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  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm talking about cases where it's obvious and glaring from the high quality photos provided. Are we supposed to stay quiet, or are we allowed to yell "foul!"? >>

    like the fugio says "mind your business"

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  • PrivateCoinCollectorPrivateCoinCollector Posts: 2,415 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Regardless of what they say it is, if you like it, offer them what you think it is right and mention your opinion of the grade. >>

    Just curious, but what is the benefit of doing that? Wouldn't it make more sense to just make your offer and leave off the commentary regarding your opinion of the grade?

    Unless the seller asks your opinion, I don't see any advantage in bringing up the topic. >>



    Only as support of your offer.
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  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Only as support of your offer. >>

    I don't know...

    "I'd offer you $100 for the coin."

    or

    "I'd offer you $100 for the coin because it isn't in as high a grade as you indicated."

    Maybe it's just me, but I think the first choice would go over better. Unless the seller asks, why would you need to "support" your offer?
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,640 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If the coin is truly a POS, then not saying something seems wrong.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,606 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can almost guess who are primarily sellers versus who are primarily buyers based on their posts to this thread.image

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,443 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just shuffle along.......
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  • cinman14cinman14 Posts: 2,489 ✭
    You didn't agree with my assigned grade of MS65PL? image

    Sorry... image

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  • commoncents123commoncents123 Posts: 2,648 ✭
    Just ignore it. Why make a big deal over it?
  • carscars Posts: 1,904
    Not long ago I was trying to sell a coin, assigned grade was VG, Got lots of members telling me No way it was VG, AG3-G4 Tops. Just came back from PCGS VG10. I think if you're buying a coin, the seller always has it overgraded. It jumps a few points when you get it in your hands image
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