OGH premiums
direwolf1972
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OGH holders still seem to command a premium.
The reason I always thought coins in them were higher was because they were good candidates for upgrades.
With PCGS being very strict at the moment should they still really be going at a premium?
I can understand doily holders since the holders themselves are semi rare (I collect coins not plastic but to each their own), but OGH's aren't really that rare.
Just wondering if there was some other logic behind OGH's still going for a premium.
The reason I always thought coins in them were higher was because they were good candidates for upgrades.
With PCGS being very strict at the moment should they still really be going at a premium?
I can understand doily holders since the holders themselves are semi rare (I collect coins not plastic but to each their own), but OGH's aren't really that rare.
Just wondering if there was some other logic behind OGH's still going for a premium.
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standards. Often perception substitute for reality. Most of
the coins in OGH that were deemed as PQ were resubmitted
and upgraded. What is left, has few if any upgradable coins
left. In truth at any period of time, we find a bell curve of graded
coins. a small number of coins may be undergraded, a larger number
may be overgraded and the vast majority are properly graded. Unless
coins were selected with great scrutiny and placed away for a long
period of time, you will not find a significant number of coins that are
upgrade candidates.
However the myth lives on that OGH are worth a premium for their
upgrade potential. It is said that when a myth becomes bigger then
reality, it is always easier to believe the myth.
Camelot
The supposed upgrade factor may be illusion but you do know the coin hasn't been messed with recently. I think that may sometimes be worth paying a small premium, assuming the coin itself is nice.
if copper coins are a stable red, if gold coins have been puttied,
and if the toning on silver coins is relatively stable. That is in fact
a fact worthy of a modest premium.
Camelot
Should I desire to sell them, I would rather sticker them through CAC.
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together with a gold bean. A tough combo to beat.
Camelot
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I hadnt thought of those in the past.
The ones I'd been specifically looking at earlier tonight were all Morgans in OGH and some in Rattlers.
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<< <i>I can understand a Gold due to detecting puttying or a Cent due to the theory of it staying full red.
>>
One of the reasons a lot of gold coins in OGH holders have not been cracked out is because the putty on them has "turned," and they wouldn't be gradable today.
<< <i>The supposed upgrade factor may be illusion but you do know the coin hasn't been messed with recently. I think that may sometimes be worth paying a small premium, assuming the coin itself is nice. >>
Exactly.
<< <i>One of the dream combos, would be a rattler or a OGH
together with a gold bean. A tough combo to beat.
Here is a Gold Bean Rattler for you. Picked up (without the green bean) at the June Baltimore show. When I asked the dealer his price, my jaw dropped open - it was stupid cheap. Very tough date in general, and even tougher with eye appeal. The coin is in a PR64 holder. It is an obvious cameo, and is a minimum PR65, shot 66. The dealer had it priced just over 64 bid!!! For those of you not familiar with the market for proof trimes, eye appealing specimens NEVER sell near the sheet. They are few and far between and command hefty premiums, especially in cameo. For the 1859, there is one lone 66 cameo, and then 5 64 cameos. According to PCGS coin facts, there is exactly one public auction record for this coin in a PCGS cameo holder in any grade. It was a 64, and sold for almost three times what I paid for this coin. Who says there are no bargains on the bourse?
merse
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<< <i>As far as rattlers, and maybe even OGHs, there is also a diminishing supply. What percentage of rattlers exist still? 50%? I doubt it. Maybe 20% to 25%, and that seems high. They are a legitimate piece of numismatic history that is disappearing. I'd pay a premium for a coin in a rattler vs. new plastic all else being equal. Wouldn't you? >>
numismatic history??? slabs have nothing to do w/ numismatics
you might be thinking of numisplastics.
K S
There are probably over a million old holder coins still out there waiting to be sold some day (PCGS rattler and ogh, NGC early hologram and gold lettered, ANACS gold foil hologram). It seems that every few months I run into worthy specimens that are graded to tougher standards than today's typical coins. And I don't expect the inflow of these to stop any time soon. They seem to show up just when you least expect it. I think of all the older holder coins I see that the ANACS gold foil coins are almost always the choicest. I've yet to see a complete dog in one of those holders. A lot of that has to do with how very few early ANACS slabs there are available that haven't already been cracked out.
roadrunner
same with the little Anacs slabs- easy to open
why bother with plastic when a cardboard holder is so much more compact and easily storable in oyur attic!
<< <i>As far as rattlers, and maybe even OGHs, there is also a diminishing supply. What percentage of rattlers exist still? 50%? I doubt it. Maybe 20% to 25%, and that seems high. They are a legitimate piece of numismatic history that is disappearing. I'd pay a premium for a coin in a rattler vs. new plastic all else being equal. Wouldn't you?
There are probably over a million old holder coins still out there waiting to be sold some day (PCGS rattler and ogh, NGC early hologram and gold lettered, ANACS gold foil hologram). It seems that every few months I run into worthy specimens that are graded to tougher standards than today's typical coins. And I don't expect the inflow of these to stop any time soon. They seem to show up just when you least expect it. I think of all the older holder coins I see that the ANACS gold foil coins are almost always the choicest. I've yet to see a complete dog in one of those holders. A lot of that has to do with how very few early ANACS slabs there are available that haven't already been cracked out.
roadrunner >>
I'm not as familiar with the progression of ANACS holders. Are you referring to the little white ANACS holders with the black background on the reverse with gold ANACS triangles?
Have a few of them around but wasnt sure what they were called.
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