It is very dismaying to see what eBay is allowing to happen.

coindeuce · August 23, 2009 3:59AM

I can imagine the expression of the eventual buyer if this listing survives and they have the coin reviewed by a knowledgable numismatist. This is why I refuse to play eBay's game. They will let the auction run it's course, then grab their fees and the Paypal fees, which will earn them interest until or if the buyer realizes their blunder. It's a win/win situation for eBay/Paypal only.

Justacommeman · August 23, 2009 4:02AM

It does have the L@@k seal of approval so how bad could it be : )

MJ

RBinTex · August 23, 2009 4:04AM

Is it a fake or just polished?

blu62vette · August 23, 2009 4:08AM

<< Is it a fake or just polished? >>

same question. I assume fake but cant tell enough from the photos. Her head looks weird and so does the CC

roadrunner · August 23, 2009 4:08AM

Are there really people out there who will do an ebay search for the word "L@@K?" And if so, is there a common attribute among them such as they all wear glasses?

roadrunner

coindeuce · August 23, 2009 4:11AM

I'll tender the description as imitation. And a poor one at that.

Justacommeman · August 23, 2009 4:13AM

>>Are there really people out there who will do an ebay search for the word "L@@K?" And if so, is there a common attribute among them such as they all wear glasses? >>

That's a scary question that I don't want to know the answer to................MJ

highbidder1970 · August 23, 2009 4:35AM

The interesting thing is it has a $250 Bid. Any wagers its a Chinese counterfeit?

Unbelievable, I see people putting nice slabbed top tier TPG commems up at 95% of CDN Bid and getting no takers and they are buying this!

coindeuce · August 23, 2009 4:47AM

<< The interesting thing is it has a $250 Bid. Any wagers its a Chinese counterfeit?

Unbelievable, I see people putting nice slabbed top tier TPG commems up at 95% of CDN Bid and getting no takers and they are buying this! >>

Partly my point. Moreso, eBay is promoting the premise that they have increased consumer protection with their new payment structure of allowing only Paypal or credit card processing. Except that for every SNAD claim that is processed, eBay's affiliate Paypal will never offer to pay any of the interest earned on a buyers' transaction amount that eventually gets refunded. That may seem like small potatoes, but those figures can add up very quickly as free money for eBay/Paypal, and is certainly an incentive for them to ignore the widespread issue of SNAD items being offered.

MsMorrisine · August 23, 2009 4:52AM

doesn't look like silver. looks like a pre-AT counterfeit

HoledandCreative · August 23, 2009 6:03AM

Looks OK to me. Just heavily cleaned. The guy has plenty of feedback and verbally sincere.

kaz · August 23, 2009 7:41AM

I'm certain it's fake. Dentils are mushy and faint in a number of places, rims too fat in areas, pimples on date. Description sounds like it was written by someone not totally familiar with English. US address doesn't mean anything these days.

BillJones · August 23, 2009 7:49AM

Ebay went into the toilet years ago. Get over it! It’s a cesspool. Take that to the bank and look for other places to buy coins.

WoodenJefferson · August 23, 2009 7:51AM

Whoa…a trade dollar will cover just about two fingers width on a semi-large man's hand, something is just not right with the diameter of this one, maybe they got Andre’ to hold this coin.

coindeuce · August 23, 2009 11:24AM

BTW, that is my question which the seller posted an answer to in the listing. A veritable "damifino" answer.

EagleEye · August 23, 2009 11:34AM

It is a Chinese fake. Did you report it to ebay?

Also, PCGS has said they will take action, so send a link to Jamie.

ocon4008 · August 23, 2009 11:58AM

I can imagine the expression of the eventual buyer if this listing survives and they have the coin reviewed by a knowledgable numismatist. This is why I refuse to play eBay's game. They will let the auction run it's course, then grab their fees and the Paypal fees, which will earn them interest until or if the buyer realizes their blunder. It's a win/win situation for eBay/Paypal only.

Coindeuce, how do you post a link? I bought some trash from Seller info "numismaticbureau" they sent me 2 replica coins in the trash. I emailed a question and asked them why a reputable coin dealer would do that, and they replied their add said it included replica coins. Well it certainly did not! I reported them to EBay, and of course they did nothing. I want to post the link and let you guys be the judge.

Jim O'C.

BlindedByEgo · August 23, 2009 12:00PM

<< Ebay went into the toilet years ago. Get over it! It’s a cesspool. Take that to the bank and look for other places to buy coins. >>

rgCoinGuy · August 23, 2009 12:22PM

So ebay should be able to review every listing in the coin category to find all fakes?

The alternate is ebay quits allowing coin auctions, which I have heard they have considered.

How about, buyers start taking some responsibility for what they are bidding on.

Justacommeman · August 23, 2009 12:25PM

<< Ebay went into the toilet years ago. Get over it! It’s a cesspool. Take that to the bank and look for other places to buy coins. >>

AUandAG · August 23, 2009 1:10PM

Yes, a fake. He didn't post my "question" as it was not as flattering as yours.
The stars about the head are soooo fake. Dentils on reverse are uneven, etc.
Don't need to look further.

I read the above posts and do hope that coins will always be part of Ebay. Buyers
are getting better as you see a lot of fakes not getting bids anymore. Or, if they
do, really cheap bids. Ebay cannot police all the auctions one by one. If you see a
problem then take the bull by the horn and just report it. No big deal, ebay will
investigate and it ends or it doesn't. Just don't sit passively at your monitor and
let your knowledge of a particular series go to waste. Do something besides
getting upset. coinduece called the seller to the carpet. That's the right thing.
If he doesn't get the drift just report him tomorrow night.

Hmmmmm, Oh my.

bob

Bayard1908 · August 23, 2009 1:19PM

<< The alternate is ebay quits allowing coin auctions, which I have heard they have considered. >>

Where did you hear that? I would consider it a disaster for the hobby.

barbershopper · August 23, 2009 1:21PM

Come on!! The seller has %100 FB with 1066 of them!
How could you not trust that?

JT

coindeuce · August 23, 2009 2:23PM

<< So ebay should be able to review every listing in the coin category to find all fakes?

The alternate is ebay quits allowing coin auctions, which I have heard they have considered.

How about, buyers start taking some responsibility for what they are bidding on. >>

According to eBay, the seller takes ALL responsibility for the content of their listing. Too bad eBay is not willing to enforce that. They are only interested in the money. It's only and all about corporate greed.

MsMorrisine · August 23, 2009 2:32PM

<< So ebay should be able to review every listing in the coin category to find all fakes?

The alternate is ebay quits allowing coin auctions, which I have heard they have considered.

How about, buyers start taking some responsibility for what they are bidding on. >>

They should quit allowing autographs first.

I've seen some with out right and unmistakable misspellings that were not taken down after I've reported them.

Justacommeman · August 23, 2009 2:33PM

<< 

<< The alternate is ebay quits allowing coin auctions, which I have heard they have considered. >>

Where did you hear that? I would consider it a disaster for the hobby. >>

Maybe, EBay should stop allowing raw coins. That would be interesting............I'm sure are hosts would not mind : )

MJ

commoncents123 · August 23, 2009 2:41PM

Face it, ebay is a dumping ground for junk coins as well as a haven for scoundrels... but to make such a blanket statement as Ebay is total crap is preposterous. You just have to be willing to wade through the murk to find good stuff.

ocon4008 · August 23, 2009 8:00PM

<<Maybe, EBay should stop allowing raw coins. That would be interesting............I'm sure are hosts would not mind : )>>

The scallywags will just become first party slabbers; there are enough of them to wade through already.

<<Face it, ebay is a dumping ground for junk coins as well as a haven for scoundrels... but to make such a blanket statement as Ebay is total crap is preposterous. You just have to be willing to wade through the murk to find good stuff. >>

AMEN!!! If it was easy everyone would do it. There are plenty of decent people selling coins on EBay, at fair prices. There will always be cherries to pick if you are careful and do your homework.

SaorAlba · August 23, 2009 11:56PM

Actually I would opin that it is more dismaying that fleaBay is continuing to be allowed to happen.

ctf_error_coins · August 24, 2009 12:06AM

How do the "workers" at ebay know this is a fake. Ebay is not the problem. The seller is if he knows it's a fake.

Some say ebay is a cesspool, I couldn't disagree more.

If you know what you are buying, then ebay is probably the BEST place to buy coins.

garsmith · August 24, 2009 12:18AM

Some fool and their money will soon be parted; it has one bid

EagleEye · August 24, 2009 9:11AM

REMOVED

rgCoinGuy · August 24, 2009 9:21AM

<< 

<< So ebay should be able to review every listing in the coin category to find all fakes?

The alternate is ebay quits allowing coin auctions, which I have heard they have considered.

How about, buyers start taking some responsibility for what they are bidding on. >>

According to eBay, the seller takes ALL responsibility for the content of their listing. Too bad eBay is not willing to enforce that. They are only interested in the money. It's only and all about corporate greed. >>

I don't think I have ever been quoted in whole or in part more times in one thread than this one!

I realize the seller is responsible for the content of their listing, and several people evidently reported the auction, and contacted the seller about the fake. That is all good. I was just pointing out the alternate, and that is that it takes a lot of ebay to deal with a category that is, IIRC like 2% of their revenue, and full of fakes and complaints. To those asking where I heard that, just internet gossip, nothing more. 2% is still 2% more than ebay would get without that category.

I also made this post still with the Friday night ebay seller bashing post on my head, so I am sure that is partly why I may have come off completely on the other side of the coin from the OP post, no offense intended.

I am sure if ebay is aware of a fake, they will take action, but it is still a buyers responsibility when buying raw coins on ebay, to know what they are buying.

It is very dismaying to see what eBay is allowing to happen.

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