I agree with lkeigwin. It's not a rattler, but one of those 2-piece slabs, just like the doily slabs. It's too bad, as I specifically look for those, and finding a denomination other than a Morgan dollar is a bit difficult.
NO way can the seller legitimately guarantee that the coin imaged is the coin which was encapsulated. Technically, the listing fails the eBay TOS for using a TPG grade in the title or description. I know the seller, and he should know better.
<< <i>NO way can the seller legitimately guarantee that the coin imaged is the coin which was encapsulated. Technically, the listing fails the eBay TOS for using a TPG grade in the title or description. I know the seller, and he should know better. >>
Agreed. I don't report stuff like this but no question, the auction would be taken down.
If you know the seller do you have any insight to why he would crack open the slab for a photograph? Sorry, that's just not believable. Something's rotten... Lance.
<< <i>NO way can the seller legitimately guarantee that the coin imaged is the coin which was encapsulated. Technically, the listing fails the eBay TOS for using a TPG grade in the title or description. I know the seller, and he should know better. >>
Agreed. I don't report stuff like this but no question, the auction would be taken down.
If you know the seller do you have any insight to why he would crack open the slab for a photograph? Sorry, that's just not believable. Something's rotten... Lance. >>
It is even less believable since there are no photographs of the coin outside the slab!
<< <i>NO way can the seller legitimately guarantee that the coin imaged is the coin which was encapsulated. Technically, the listing fails the eBay TOS for using a TPG grade in the title or description. I know the seller, and he should know better. >>
Agreed. I don't report stuff like this but no question, the auction would be taken down.
If you know the seller do you have any insight to why he would crack open the slab for a photograph? Sorry, that's just not believable. Something's rotten... Lance. >>
It is even less believable since there are no photographs of the coin outside the slab! >>
That was my initial thought, too. The coin is still in the capsule just outside of the slab I believe. Which in reality taking it out of the slab made no sense whatsoever, unless the slab looked like it was rubbed on a cement driveway. Also, what's up with the squirrel?
I know Doug; he is a Franklin guru. I have bought many slabbed and raw Franklins from him. I have been pleased with every one. Why he cracked this one is up for conjecture, but I will call tomorrow and try to find out.
<< <i>I agree with lkeigwin. It's not a rattler, but one of those 2-piece slabs, just like the doily slabs. It's too bad, as I specifically look for those, and finding a denomination other than a Morgan dollar is a bit difficult. >>
Cool. I bought that a few weeks back, just because my mom likes Mercs and because of the holder (I didn't have one like that). Surprised that someone said they were mostly Morgans since I haven't seen a lot of them (and, I haven't paid much attention, to be honest)
Cool. I bought that a few weeks back, just because my mom likes Mercs and because of the holder (I didn't have one like that). Surprised that someone said they were mostly Morgans since I haven't seen a lot of them (and, I haven't paid much attention, to be honest) >>
I believe that to be the Gen 2 holder - rattler inside a outer shell, with the perforated label edge.
"PCGS 2 This was the first attempt by PCGS to increase the security of their slabs. This is a two piece slab. The center part is the same small "rattler" shell seen on PCGS 1 (note the four alignment pins in the corners around the coin). The second part is a plastic border thatwraps around the edge of the slab and forms the raised lip that now lets the slabs stack and interlock. Other security measures taken were the addition of a barcode to the front label and a hologram to the back label. This was also the last variety that did not have the companies initials on the front label. The front label is off white with a green tinge to it. This faint green is formed by thousands of tiny green dots that are only visible under magnification. This variety was used in Oct and Nov of 1989."
<<Or if the seller is a crook, They should of used a racoon.>> <<If you know the seller do you have any insight to why he would crack open the slab for a photograph? Sorry, that's just not believable. Something's rotten...>>
WRONG answer pilgrim!
Doug's response: If I cracked a $135.00 1949s to doctor why did I sell it for $66?
<<That was my initial thought, too. The coin is still in the capsule just outside of the slab I believe. Which in reality taking it out of the slab made no sense whatsoever, unless the slab looked like it was rubbed on a cement driveway. Also, what's up with the squirrel? >>
BINGO! BINGO!
We have a winner; hold your cards ladies and gentlemen, it appears we have a winner. The outer case was scratched badly and the photos looked like crap; therefore, he removed it from the outer case but left it in the capsule.
The squirrel is a resident of Doug's deck. He makes regular appearences in his auctions. BTW, Doug's IT person is a neighbor, and she makes appearences as well from time to time. Might want to keep an eye on his listings; I do.
What, no apologies. Accuse the man of being dishonest, brand him, try him then hang him with no trial? This country's foundation is crumbling. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
Not sure who offended the seller and/or who owes an apology but let's put it this way:
If you don't explain things like this in an auction (a really badly scratched slab as the reason to crack-out the coin from its outer holder) you leave yourself open to questions. Why not also show a photo of the messed up slab instead of a squirrel?
Doug sounds like a good guy who can be trusted. But he brought on this thread by not thinking about likely suspicions and heading them off. Lance.
<< <i>The outer case was scratched badly and the photos looked like crap; therefore, he removed it from the outer case but left it in the capsule. >>
FWIW, you can photograph right through scratches with an application of WD-40. Just leave enough to puddle into the scratches, and BINGO! NO SCRATCHES in the photo. Of course, once you remove the WD-40, you're still left with scratches.
<<If you don't explain things like this in an auction (a really badly scratched slab as the reason to crack-out the coin from its outer holder) you leave yourself open to questions. Why not also show a photo of the messed up slab instead of a squirrel?
Doug sounds like a good guy who can be trusted. But he brought on this thread by not thinking about likely suspicions and heading them off. Lance.>>
I believe Doug to be a free spirit; but he is one of the good guys. I will tell him what you said; it is a point well taken.
<<FWIW, you can photograph right through scratches with an application of WD-40. Just leave enough to puddle into the scratches, and BINGO! NO SCRATCHES in the photo. Of course, once you remove the WD-40, you're still left with scratches>>
Doug wanted me to thank you for the suggestion; next time he you do just that.
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<< <i>one less rattler on this earth >>
An early holder but not "rattler" (which has no bar code and is smaller and thinner).
Gotta admire the crackout job. The coinless holder looks very nice!
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<< <i>NO way can the seller legitimately guarantee that the coin imaged is the coin which was encapsulated. Technically, the listing fails the eBay TOS for using a TPG grade in the title or description. I know the seller, and he should know better. >>
Agreed. I don't report stuff like this but no question, the auction would be taken down.
If you know the seller do you have any insight to why he would crack open the slab for a photograph? Sorry, that's just not believable. Something's rotten...
Lance.
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<< <i>NO way can the seller legitimately guarantee that the coin imaged is the coin which was encapsulated. Technically, the listing fails the eBay TOS for using a TPG grade in the title or description. I know the seller, and he should know better. >>
Agreed. I don't report stuff like this but no question, the auction would be taken down.
If you know the seller do you have any insight to why he would crack open the slab for a photograph? Sorry, that's just not believable. Something's rotten...
Lance. >>
It is even less believable since there are no photographs of the coin outside the slab!
<< <i>It is even less believable since there are no photographs of the coin outside the slab! >>
Huh? All the photos are of the coin outside the slab. 'Cept the squirrel, that is.
Lance.
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<< <i>
<< <i>NO way can the seller legitimately guarantee that the coin imaged is the coin which was encapsulated. Technically, the listing fails the eBay TOS for using a TPG grade in the title or description. I know the seller, and he should know better. >>
Agreed. I don't report stuff like this but no question, the auction would be taken down.
If you know the seller do you have any insight to why he would crack open the slab for a photograph? Sorry, that's just not believable. Something's rotten...
Lance. >>
It is even less believable since there are no photographs of the coin outside the slab! >>
That was my initial thought, too. The coin is still in the capsule just outside of the slab I believe. Which in reality taking it out of the slab made no sense whatsoever, unless the slab looked like it was rubbed on a cement driveway. Also, what's up with the squirrel?
<< <i>I agree with lkeigwin. It's not a rattler, but one of those 2-piece slabs, just like the doily slabs. It's too bad, as I specifically look for those, and finding a denomination other than a Morgan dollar is a bit difficult. >>
Really?
Same type of holder on this merc, right?
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
-Paul
<< <i>Yes, that is the same holder, Ron.
-Paul >>
Cool.
I bought that a few weeks back, just because my mom likes Mercs and because of the holder (I didn't have one like that).
Surprised that someone said they were mostly Morgans since I haven't seen a lot of them (and, I haven't paid much attention, to be honest)
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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<< <i>Yes, that is the same holder, Ron.
-Paul >>
Cool.
I bought that a few weeks back, just because my mom likes Mercs and because of the holder (I didn't have one like that).
Surprised that someone said they were mostly Morgans since I haven't seen a lot of them (and, I haven't paid much attention, to be honest) >>
I believe that to be the Gen 2 holder - rattler inside a outer shell, with the perforated label edge.
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
"PCGS 2
This was the first attempt by PCGS to increase the security of their slabs. This is a two piece slab. The center part is the same small "rattler" shell seen on PCGS 1 (note the four alignment pins in the corners around the coin). The second part is a plastic border thatwraps around the edge of the slab and forms the raised lip that now lets the slabs stack and interlock. Other security measures taken were the addition of a barcode to the front label and a hologram to the back label. This was also the last variety that did not have the companies initials on the front label. The front label is off white with a green tinge to it. This faint green is formed by thousands of tiny green dots that are only visible under magnification. This variety was used in Oct and Nov of 1989."
Lance.
<<If you know the seller do you have any insight to why he would crack open the slab for a photograph? Sorry, that's just not believable. Something's rotten...>>
WRONG answer pilgrim!
Doug's response: If I cracked a $135.00 1949s to doctor why did I sell it for $66?
<<That was my initial thought, too. The coin is still in the capsule just outside of the slab I believe. Which in reality taking it out of the slab made no sense whatsoever, unless the slab looked like it was rubbed on a cement driveway. Also, what's up with the squirrel? >>
BINGO! BINGO!
We have a winner; hold your cards ladies and gentlemen, it appears we have a winner. The outer case was scratched badly and the photos looked like crap; therefore, he removed it from the outer case but left it in the capsule.
The squirrel is a resident of Doug's deck. He makes regular appearences in his auctions. BTW, Doug's IT person is a neighbor, and she makes appearences as well from time to time. Might want to keep an eye on his listings; I do.
If you don't explain things like this in an auction (a really badly scratched slab as the reason to crack-out the coin from its outer holder) you leave yourself open to questions. Why not also show a photo of the messed up slab instead of a squirrel?
Doug sounds like a good guy who can be trusted. But he brought on this thread by not thinking about likely suspicions and heading them off.
Lance.
<< <i>The outer case was scratched badly and the photos looked like crap; therefore, he removed it from the outer case but left it in the capsule. >>
FWIW, you can photograph right through scratches with an application of WD-40. Just leave enough to puddle into the scratches, and BINGO! NO SCRATCHES in the photo. Of course, once you remove the WD-40, you're still left with scratches.
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Doug sounds like a good guy who can be trusted. But he brought on this thread by not thinking about likely suspicions and heading them off.
Lance.>>
I believe Doug to be a free spirit; but he is one of the good guys. I will tell him what you said; it is a point well taken.
Doug wanted me to thank you for the suggestion; next time he you do just that.