<< <i>I did not ask to return the coin nor do I really care that much about.
What I did not like is that when I pointed it out to Klondike his response was not, I am sorry I made an error or would you like to return it or what can I do to make this right.
His response was you are a problem buyer and I am blocking you.
This tells me the seller does not care at all that he misrepresented the coin, he shows no interest in corrected his error but rather took the approach I did something wrong in point out to him his error.
It shows a total lack of honesty on his part and therefore I felt it to be in the best interest of the all to point out this behavior.
His response was that of a thief trying to fool people.
I never have asked for my money back, nor am I asking for it but if the seller had any level on honesty he would have been concerned about his error and would have wanted to correct it without my even having to ask.
This is the ultimate buyer beware kind of seller who will not fix any error he makes.
This is not a grading error but in fact the sale of a lower value business strike as a proof.
His approach prompted this thread. Had he shown ANY concern over his error I would have told him not to worry about it but what really bothers me is how he clearly does not care at all and for that people should know what they are dealing with if they buy from him.
Just last week I was asked an opinion on a coin he was selling and I offered my honest opinion of the coin, I also told the would be buyer I thought he was a fair seller. Now I see I was wrong. This is a buyer beware seller who has a reputation of selling overgraded coins as many people have pointed out to me via PM. >>
Lets see the auction link >>
yep- need a link to that auction, because what you say at this monet is a blind sided attack. I have bought from Dan in the past- with no issues.
<< <i>So I am thinking along the same lines as rgCoinGuy. When I read the comment, "I really did not care much about returning the coin but the response was really harsh." is the complaint here the response from the seller? If so, get over it & move on.
Did I miss what the coin graded? As was pointed out, not much difference in value. Was that the issue, a 'refund' on the difference?
<< <i>I never have asked for my money back, nor am I asking for it but if the seller had any level on honesty he would have been concerned about his error and would have wanted to correct it without my even having to ask. >>
Sorry, but I just hate when people expect that of me. IMO, it's unreasonable to think people will know what you're thinking or what you want them to do if you don't tell them.
Folks, there may not be a link to the auction if it was over 90 days ago. If there is a link, a good forum detective could probably sift through his feedback and locate it.
SOCIALIZED MEDICINE: The wealthiest class treats the lowest class and sends the bill to the middle class.
There was no feedback left for this transaction. ______________________________________
So, how nice where you when you sent the "What I did not like is that when I pointed it out to Klondike....." email? A nasty email will probably be met with an angry reply.
<< <i>So I am thinking along the same lines as rgCoinGuy. When I read the comment, "I really did not care much about returning the coin but the response was really harsh." is the complaint here the response from the seller? If so, get over it & move on.
Did I miss what the coin graded? As was pointed out, not much difference in value. Was that the issue, a 'refund' on the difference?
So many questions, so little answers. >>
The difference in value is under $100 - not a big deal
This is about the response from the seller and the lack of ethics. When a seller response to selling a coin that is not real and responds by blocking a bidder it needs to be shared. If I saw this post prior to dealing with this guy I would think twice, there is a reason he won't take paypal.
There is no time limit on a coin being authentic. - Do you think there should be? Most dealers offer a lifetime guarantee on coins be authentic.
Due to the time, the coin has dropped off ebay.
I seldom check PM's but do check emails often jason@seated.org
Buying top quality Seated Dimes in Gem BU and Proof.
RR, you claim the seller should be upset about his lack of knowledge about the coin, how about the OP? He goes by the nic seateddime
Hey, I didn't post this thread...nor did I complain here publically when forum member XXX clearly misrepresented that Barber quarter I purchased. In some respects you drag yourself through the mud with your failed deals. It does seem to me that SD should have had serious doubts as to the coin being a proof from the get go. Common sense would have said to inform the seller of any intents to slab it and possibly extend the guarantee, if there was one.
As far as when does the seller's obligation end, I guess that depends on the situation. It probably ranges from 30-90 days for most dealers. There are many who would take it back after a year or more just to maintain the relationship. This one falls within 90 days and should be covered. Certainly they could take it back in trade or something or towards the purchase of another coin? I mean that doesn't hurt them one bit does it? Maybe the seller got rid of a pos and just doesn't want it back. I've run into those types as well. They know the buyer is never coming back again anyways so just cut and run.
There was no feedback left for this transaction.
And this seller's FB remains at 87 negs/neutrals. Here was an unhappy buyer who left no FB. So who really thinks that "only" 87 out of 25,000 is not significant? My own experience showed that even a few dozen negs usually identified a seller who skirted the truth way too often. Most unhappy buyers just don't bother replying or they give + FB for fear of getting a retaliatory neg. At least that was the case up to recently.
I've never bought a raw coin via ebay and likely never would. One takes their life into their own hands when entering that realm. One should expect to be taken from time to time and accept it as part of the game. I've been scammed on slabbed coins 5X out of about 100 so I can only imagine the raw averages out there.
I will now break my grandmother's golden rule... "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything"...
Two points I wish to make...
First, with no ill intent, to the OP, seateddime/Jason
In my "short" time here, I have witnessed a number of threads by you...all about problems you seem to have using ebay... as a seller and as a buyer... I do not know why you have the number of problems that you do... but I might suggest taking a step or two back... take a deep breath or three... go get a good "karma cleansing"... and then try a different tack...
As for the seller klondike/Dan ... along with a number of other somewhat "well-known", high # feedback Raw Coin ebay sellers... well...let's put it this way... if I were to say about them, what I really want to say about them...I'd probably need to get a lawyer... I'll let that speak for itself...
And to speak to this deal with the "Proof" that PCGS declared not a Proof... I have found that there are generally three sides to every dispute/disagreement... the two sides and then the truth somewhere in the middle...
I really do not wish to try to answer "hypotheticals"...as others have already posted, there are too many "bits' of info not known here to know what actually transpired... Did the OP immediately let the seller know that he had doubts regarding the type of strike this coin had? Did he then let klondike know that he intended to send it into PCGS for verification? If he did, did klondike agree to the TPG "test"? If he did not agree, then the OP should have immediately returned the coin... if the OP did not inform the seller of all this right after receiving the coin, then he did some "assuming"...and we all know what happens when we "assume"...don't we?
I offer up no opinion as to who is right or who is wrong in this situation... not enough is known...
Re: Slabbed coins - There are some coins that LIVE within clear plastic and wear their labels with pride... while there are others that HIDE behind scratched plastic and are simply dragged along by a label. Then there are those coins that simply hang out, naked and free
<< <i> There is no time limit on a coin being authentic. - Do you think there should be? Most dealers offer a lifetime guarantee on coins be authentic. >>
??? You said PCGS graded it as a business strike- is that not an authentic coin?
<< <i> There is no time limit on a coin being authentic. - Do you think there should be? Most dealers offer a lifetime guarantee on coins be authentic. >>
??? You said PCGS graded it as a business strike- is that not an authentic coin? >>
This has really become out of hand. If a buyer came back to me right after receiving a coin and complained about it he would have a check back in the mail that same week. If a buyer came back to me 100+ days after a transaction and began complaining, I would most likely roll my eyes and politely say
This has nothing to do with the coin being genuine or not. It is the opinion as to whether or not it is a proof. How many times have I heard that the TPG's have slabbed MS coins as Proofs and Proofs as MS coins? Answer: Many. In some cases it's a judgement call and without seeing the coin of course I can't make a judgement on it. Perhaps if it were resubmitted it would slab as a proof. I usually try to bend over backwards to please a buyer but I probably would have had the same response under these same specific circumstances.
What I did not like is that when I pointed it out to Klondike..................
i'd be curious to know exactly what you said when you "pointed it out" to him. most likely that is where the mis-communication took place. online communicating can be a tricky thing as is so aptly demonstrated at this site and tact is a very valuable commodity. in retrospect, since you seem to like the coin and there doesn't seem to be any monetary difference which you are concerned about you probably should have just let things be and never sent that e-mail to the seller. it probably came across as you accusing him of doing something wrong so he got defensive.
I actually do very little on ebay anymore on the buy or sell side. I have 1 transaction in the last month and maybe 30 in the last 6 months.
At one point I was doing 400+ transactions a year. I have found it to be far too risky a place to deal in. Too many overgraded and problem coins for me.
I shared this response because when someone responds like that to me they will respond to others in a similar fashion, maybe next time it will be you.
Ebay has enough bad apples as it is, the least we can do is warn each other.
For those looking to dig into facts there are not many, the coin was purchased too long ago for a return to be realistic, it has dropped of ebay. The winning email header clearly shows the coin to be a proof and when I pointed it out to the seller I became a problem buyer and blocked.
Other than pointing this out there is not much to the story and short of reporting it to ebay, which I won't bother with, there is nothing to do.
I offer fellow board members the warning and do with it what you will.
I seldom check PM's but do check emails often jason@seated.org
Buying top quality Seated Dimes in Gem BU and Proof.
I posted about how a coin I purchased as having rubber band marks may in fact be engraved damaged instead, and the response was overwhelmingly that I was stuck witht he coin because 2 months have passed. How is that situation so different than this one where everyone is overwhelmingly supporting that the seller accept it back?
Wow. How this thread got to 120+ and counting is beyond me....I can only imagine what the post count could get to if the seller shows up
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He sold you a proof that was not a proof. In Ebay/Paypals view this is a coin not as described. File a claim and he will have to accept a return. If he gets past that then call your credit card it that is how you paid. Dont let this guy jerk you around.
<< <i>He sold you a proof that was not a proof. In Ebay/Paypals view this is a coin not as described. File a claim and he will have to accept a return. If he gets past that then call your credit card it that is how you paid. Dont let this guy jerk you around. >>
To save you from reading the whole Mahoolah, the transaction happened too long ago to file an Ebay/Paypal claim.
SOCIALIZED MEDICINE: The wealthiest class treats the lowest class and sends the bill to the middle class.
I used to save my auction wins on ebay by archiving the web page. It can be a helpful reference later on and saves paper.
Also, I will confess to many hundreds of ebay transactions for raw coins. Most were acceptable. I generally ignore grade opinions and usually ask questions about the surfaces - along the lines of does the coin show hairlines from a wipe, any repairs or tooling and ask if the seller can comment about the luster. And, I would not quibble with a seller's puffery about a coin. Non-disclosure of problems was usually explained by a reply along the lines of, "I am not a coin expert."
I had transactions with Dan prior to his selling me the whizzed coin that were fine. I was a newbie though and hadn't been schooled on whizzing. Got my education now. No way in heck Dan did not know he was selling a doctored coin. His non-disclosure of the problem is telling of his lack of integrity.
Funny thing, I did not ask for a return of the whizzed coin either. Dan's consequence is that he lost me as a customer and that I will freely share my opinion of him as I have here.
<< <i>So, over 100 posts and still no link to the auction. Why is that? He may deserve to be roasted, but let's see both sides of the story. >>
My understanding is that the sale happened so long ago that it is no longer accessible on eBay. >>
That is correct, it is no longer accessible on ebay.
For the seller to claim it was too late to accept a return would not be hard to imagine, what is is when I pointed it out to him, I became a bad buyer and blocked from buying.
Does that not seem odd to you? A seller sells a coin that is not as he claims and gets mad a the buyer for pointing it out.
I never asked for a refund or even a dime back, I just pointed it out to him.
I seldom check PM's but do check emails often jason@seated.org
Buying top quality Seated Dimes in Gem BU and Proof.
I am sure that buy buying on ebay you can occasionally get a great deal but for me it's not worth it I would rather pay more to a real dealer, who stands behind his/her coins, and has integrity and expertise.
1) Did you want opinions on how we would handle this? *Because at the point in time when you replied to Dan the options seem limited: a) Say thanks for blocking me because I don't want to buy from you again anyway. b) Say I'm sorry for pointing that out, I won't do it again. I'm not a bad guy & please let me bid on your future auctions. c) Find legal solutions
2) Did you want to show the members what a dirty rotten scoundrel Dan is? a) Somewhat mixed. Some have had good dealings, others not so good. * Overall my thoughts are stay away unless he has something I really need & cannot see getting it anytime soon somewhere else.
BUT on the flip side, and I have to make assumptions as I have not heard the answers. I'll bullet point them, maybe you can answer them.
*The coin arrived in a timely manner. *It was a 'no problem' coin. We still haven't heard the grade, so I presume it graded & did not come back 'Genuine'. *You thought it was probably a BS, but still a chance it could be a proof. (If not, the coin should have been returned then if you did not want a BU). *No communication to the seller (DAN) that you had doubts, or that you were sending the coin off to be graded.
Coin came back BS instead of Proof.
So, you claim "I did not ask to return the coin nor do I really care that much about." You just sent Dan an email (since I presume communication through eBay was no longer available.....unless through another auction), 3+ months later. All you said was "This coin just came from PCGS but not as a proof but a business strike"......hmmmm, "This coin....", was the auction still available when you sent this? Anyway...with that, Dan went off & blocked you.
I'm a little torn, I understand you're frustration (anger), I've done it long ago. We try to use the boards to somehow help us cope with what happened. We feel wronged in some way.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think what Dan did is right, assuming everything you said is factual, but I also think what you didn't do (communicate) was wrong.
Now, it feels to me, that this is some sort of retaliatory feedback for Dan blocking you & not offering to make things "right".
JMO (and it's bound to change as more info comes out!)
32 Negs out of 21,000 feedback 99.85% I believe as a Raw coin seller. Yeesh. I am not necessarily defending the seller in this instance but don't hang him on his feedback.
The 98.85% feedback score is only for the past 12 months. It is NOT his lifetime total which would include the 32 negs.
It is for the 10 negs he has over the past 12 months.
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<< <i>I did not ask to return the coin nor do I really care that much about.
What I did not like is that when I pointed it out to Klondike his response was not, I am sorry I made an error or would you like to return it or what can I do to make this right.
His response was you are a problem buyer and I am blocking you.
This tells me the seller does not care at all that he misrepresented the coin, he shows no interest in corrected his error but rather took the approach I did something wrong in point out to him his error.
It shows a total lack of honesty on his part and therefore I felt it to be in the best interest of the all to point out this behavior.
His response was that of a thief trying to fool people.
I never have asked for my money back, nor am I asking for it but if the seller had any level on honesty he would have been concerned about his error and would have wanted to correct it without my even having to ask.
This is the ultimate buyer beware kind of seller who will not fix any error he makes.
This is not a grading error but in fact the sale of a lower value business strike as a proof.
His approach prompted this thread. Had he shown ANY concern over his error I would have told him not to worry about it but what really bothers me is how he clearly does not care at all and for that people should know what they are dealing with if they buy from him.
Just last week I was asked an opinion on a coin he was selling and I offered my honest opinion of the coin, I also told the would be buyer I thought he was a fair seller. Now I see I was wrong. This is a buyer beware seller who has a reputation of selling overgraded coins as many people have pointed out to me via PM. >>
Lets see the auction link >>
yep- need a link to that auction, because what you say at this monet is a blind sided attack. I have bought from Dan in the past- with no issues.
Post the link to the sale please!
<< <i>So I am thinking along the same lines as rgCoinGuy.
When I read the comment,
"I really did not care much about returning the coin but the response was really harsh."
is the complaint here the response from the seller?
If so, get over it & move on.
Did I miss what the coin graded?
As was pointed out, not much difference in value.
Was that the issue, a 'refund' on the difference?
So many questions, so little answers.
And the seller has been raked through the coals.
<< <i>I never have asked for my money back, nor am I asking for it but if the seller had any level on honesty he would have been concerned about his error and would have wanted to correct it without my even having to ask. >>
Sorry, but I just hate when people expect that of me. IMO, it's unreasonable to think people will know what you're thinking or what you want them to do if you don't tell them.
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So, how nice where you when you sent the "What I did not like is that when I pointed it out to Klondike....." email?
A nasty email will probably be met with an angry reply.
Just askin'.....
<< <i>So I am thinking along the same lines as rgCoinGuy.
When I read the comment,
"I really did not care much about returning the coin but the response was really harsh."
is the complaint here the response from the seller?
If so, get over it & move on.
Did I miss what the coin graded?
As was pointed out, not much difference in value.
Was that the issue, a 'refund' on the difference?
So many questions, so little answers.
The difference in value is under $100 - not a big deal
This is about the response from the seller and the lack of ethics. When a seller response to selling a coin that is not real and responds by blocking a bidder it needs to be shared. If I saw this post prior to dealing with this guy I would think twice, there is a reason he won't take paypal.
There is no time limit on a coin being authentic. - Do you think there should be? Most dealers offer a lifetime guarantee on coins be authentic.
Due to the time, the coin has dropped off ebay.
Buying top quality Seated Dimes in Gem BU and Proof.
Buying great coins - monster eye appeal only.
seateddime
Hey, I didn't post this thread...nor did I complain here publically when forum member XXX clearly misrepresented that Barber quarter I purchased. In some respects you drag yourself through the mud with your failed deals. It does seem to me that SD should have had serious doubts as to the coin being a proof from the get go. Common sense would have said to inform the seller of any intents to slab it and possibly extend the guarantee, if there was one.
As far as when does the seller's obligation end, I guess that depends on the situation. It probably ranges from 30-90 days for most dealers. There are many who would take it back after a year or more just to maintain the relationship. This one falls within 90 days and should be covered. Certainly they could take it back in trade or something or towards the purchase of another coin? I mean that doesn't hurt them one bit does it? Maybe the seller got rid of a pos and just doesn't want it back. I've run into those types as well. They know the buyer is never coming back again anyways so just cut and run.
There was no feedback left for this transaction.
And this seller's FB remains at 87 negs/neutrals. Here was an unhappy buyer who left no FB. So who really thinks that "only" 87 out of 25,000 is not significant? My own experience showed that even a few dozen negs usually identified a seller who skirted the truth way too often. Most unhappy buyers just don't bother replying or they give + FB for fear of getting a retaliatory neg. At least that was the case up to recently.
I've never bought a raw coin via ebay and likely never would. One takes their life into their own hands when entering that realm. One should expect to be taken from time to time and accept it as part of the game. I've been scammed on slabbed coins 5X out of about 100 so I can only imagine the raw averages out there.
roadrunner
Two points I wish to make...
First, with no ill intent, to the OP, seateddime/Jason
In my "short" time here, I have witnessed a number of threads by you...all about problems you seem to have using ebay... as a seller and as a buyer... I do not know why you have the number of problems that you do... but I might suggest taking a step or two back... take a deep breath or three... go get a good "karma cleansing"... and then try a different tack...
As for the seller klondike/Dan ... along with a number of other somewhat "well-known", high # feedback Raw Coin ebay sellers... well...let's put it this way... if I were to say about them, what I really want to say about them...I'd probably need to get a lawyer... I'll let that speak for itself...
And to speak to this deal with the "Proof" that PCGS declared not a Proof... I have found that there are generally three sides to every dispute/disagreement... the two sides and then the truth somewhere in the middle...
I really do not wish to try to answer "hypotheticals"...as others have already posted, there are too many "bits' of info not known here to know what actually transpired... Did the OP immediately let the seller know that he had doubts regarding the type of strike this coin had? Did he then let klondike know that he intended to send it into PCGS for verification? If he did, did klondike agree to the TPG "test"? If he did not agree, then the OP should have immediately returned the coin... if the OP did not inform the seller of all this right after receiving the coin, then he did some "assuming"...and we all know what happens when we "assume"...don't we?
I offer up no opinion as to who is right or who is wrong in this situation... not enough is known...
<< <i> There is no time limit on a coin being authentic. - Do you think there should be? Most dealers offer a lifetime guarantee on coins be authentic. >>
??? You said PCGS graded it as a business strike- is that not an authentic coin?
<< <i>There was no feedback left for this transaction.
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By either party?
Again. How were your past transactions with this seller. Is it possible that his curt response was a result of several problems over time?
I am not inferring, just asking.
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<< <i> There is no time limit on a coin being authentic. - Do you think there should be? Most dealers offer a lifetime guarantee on coins be authentic. >>
??? You said PCGS graded it as a business strike- is that not an authentic coin? >>
This has really become out of hand. If a buyer came back to me right after receiving a coin and complained about it he would have a check back in the mail that same week. If a buyer came back to me 100+ days after a transaction and began complaining, I would most likely roll my eyes and politely say
This has nothing to do with the coin being genuine or not. It is the opinion as to whether or not it is a proof. How many times have I heard that the TPG's have slabbed MS coins as Proofs and Proofs as MS coins? Answer: Many. In some cases it's a judgement call and without seeing the coin of course I can't make a judgement on it. Perhaps if it were resubmitted it would slab as a proof. I usually try to bend over backwards to please a buyer but I probably would have had the same response under these same specific circumstances.
i'd be curious to know exactly what you said when you "pointed it out" to him. most likely that is where the mis-communication took place. online communicating can be a tricky thing as is so aptly demonstrated at this site and tact is a very valuable commodity. in retrospect, since you seem to like the coin and there doesn't seem to be any monetary difference which you are concerned about you probably should have just let things be and never sent that e-mail to the seller. it probably came across as you accusing him of doing something wrong so he got defensive.
At one point I was doing 400+ transactions a year. I have found it to be far too risky a place to deal in. Too many overgraded and problem coins for me.
I shared this response because when someone responds like that to me they will respond to others in a similar fashion, maybe next time it will be you.
Ebay has enough bad apples as it is, the least we can do is warn each other.
For those looking to dig into facts there are not many, the coin was purchased too long ago for a return to be realistic, it has dropped of ebay. The winning email header clearly shows the coin to be a proof and when I pointed it out to the seller I became a problem buyer and blocked.
Other than pointing this out there is not much to the story and short of reporting it to ebay, which I won't bother with, there is nothing to do.
I offer fellow board members the warning and do with it what you will.
Buying top quality Seated Dimes in Gem BU and Proof.
Buying great coins - monster eye appeal only.
"This coin just came from PCGS but not as a proof but a business strike"
That was the entire message sent nothing else from this problem buyer.
Buying top quality Seated Dimes in Gem BU and Proof.
Buying great coins - monster eye appeal only.
I give the seller only 2 ½ bars
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>He sold you a proof that was not a proof. In Ebay/Paypals view this is a coin not as described. File a claim and he will have to accept a return. If he gets past that then call your credit card it that is how you paid. Dont let this guy jerk you around. >>
To save you from reading the whole Mahoolah, the transaction happened too long ago to file an Ebay/Paypal claim.
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
<< <i>So, over 100 posts and still no link to the auction. Why is that? He may deserve to be roasted, but let's see both sides of the story. >>
My understanding is that the sale happened so long ago that it is no longer accessible on eBay.
Also, I will confess to many hundreds of ebay transactions for raw coins. Most were acceptable. I generally ignore grade opinions and usually ask questions about the surfaces - along the lines of does the coin show hairlines from a wipe, any repairs or tooling and ask if the seller can comment about the luster. And, I would not quibble with a seller's puffery about a coin. Non-disclosure of problems was usually explained by a reply along the lines of, "I am not a coin expert."
I had transactions with Dan prior to his selling me the whizzed coin that were fine. I was a newbie though and hadn't been schooled on whizzing. Got my education now. No way in heck Dan did not know he was selling a doctored coin. His non-disclosure of the problem is telling of his lack of integrity.
Funny thing, I did not ask for a return of the whizzed coin either. Dan's consequence is that he lost me as a customer and that I will freely share my opinion of him as I have here.
<< <i>
<< <i>So, over 100 posts and still no link to the auction. Why is that? He may deserve to be roasted, but let's see both sides of the story. >>
My understanding is that the sale happened so long ago that it is no longer accessible on eBay. >>
That is correct, it is no longer accessible on ebay.
For the seller to claim it was too late to accept a return would not be hard to imagine, what is is when I pointed it out to him, I became a bad buyer and blocked from buying.
Does that not seem odd to you? A seller sells a coin that is not as he claims and gets mad a the buyer for pointing it out.
I never asked for a refund or even a dime back, I just pointed it out to him.
Buying top quality Seated Dimes in Gem BU and Proof.
Buying great coins - monster eye appeal only.
you can occasionally get a great deal
but for me it's not worth it
I would rather pay more to a real dealer,
who stands behind his/her coins,
and has integrity and expertise.
Look deep inside to find the truth...
1) Did you want opinions on how we would handle this?
*Because at the point in time when you replied to Dan the options seem limited:
a) Say thanks for blocking me because I don't want to buy from you again anyway.
b) Say I'm sorry for pointing that out, I won't do it again. I'm not a bad guy & please let me bid on your future auctions.
c) Find legal solutions
2) Did you want to show the members what a dirty rotten scoundrel Dan is?
a) Somewhat mixed. Some have had good dealings, others not so good.
* Overall my thoughts are stay away unless he has something I really need & cannot see getting it anytime soon somewhere else.
BUT on the flip side, and I have to make assumptions as I have not heard the answers.
I'll bullet point them, maybe you can answer them.
*The coin arrived in a timely manner.
*It was a 'no problem' coin. We still haven't heard the grade, so I presume it graded & did not come back 'Genuine'.
*You thought it was probably a BS, but still a chance it could be a proof. (If not, the coin should have been returned then if you did not want a BU).
*No communication to the seller (DAN) that you had doubts, or that you were sending the coin off to be graded.
Coin came back BS instead of Proof.
So, you claim "I did not ask to return the coin nor do I really care that much about."
You just sent Dan an email (since I presume communication through eBay was no longer available.....unless through another auction), 3+ months later.
All you said was "This coin just came from PCGS but not as a proof but a business strike"......hmmmm, "This coin....", was the auction still available when you sent this?
Anyway...with that, Dan went off & blocked you.
I'm a little torn, I understand you're frustration (anger), I've done it long ago.
We try to use the boards to somehow help us cope with what happened.
We feel wronged in some way.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think what Dan did is right, assuming everything you said is factual,
but I also think what you didn't do (communicate) was wrong.
Now, it feels to me, that this is some sort of retaliatory feedback for Dan blocking you & not offering to make things "right".
JMO
(and it's bound to change as more info comes out!)
32 Negs out of 21,000 feedback 99.85% I believe as a Raw coin seller. Yeesh. I am not necessarily defending the seller in this instance but don't hang him on his feedback.
The 98.85% feedback score is only for the past 12 months. It is NOT his lifetime total which would include the 32 negs.
It is for the 10 negs he has over the past 12 months.
Steve