Is James Koufax Moyer a HOFer?
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<< <i>He's pitches pretty good for a guy with one foot in the grave. >>
yet he would be the #2 on the mets right now
You could be #2 on the Mets too, and your not getting in the Hall either
<< <i>You could be #2 on the Mets too >>
Around here, he is considered something that strongly resembles #2.
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That is classic.
Steve
Thats just about right
<< <i>I think even with 300 he would not get in. I think the overall opinion of him is that low among voters. >>
If he gets to 300 he is an absolute in, but thats the only way he gets in.
I doubt Niekro is in without 300?
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260 wins
230 losses
1073 K's
20-game winner twice
Here is Moyer's stats:
257 wins
194 losses
2322 K's
20-game winner twice
Big pimpin, spendin the cheese.
Big pimpin, swingin and feelin the breeze.
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Big pimpin, spendin the cheese.
Big pimpin, swingin and feelin the breeze. >>
destroyed your braves!
One stat that stands out to me as one of the reasons he won't make it in is that he's given up more home runs in his career than every pitcher except Robin Roberts and if he keeps playing he's likely to pass RR in a year or two.
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Steve
NO!
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But for reals....no. I am of the opinion The Hall is only for the all time greats. I am aware not everyone (including many voters) shares this view.
<< <i>Sure, Jim Rice is in, Tony Perez, Bill Mazahoweveryouspellhisnameski is in, let's put everybody in. Dave Parker? Sure, why not? Moyer, hell yeah. In fact, let's wave the waiting period and put him in today. Put all ball players ever to play the game in. Even if ya didn't quite make the majors...sure, you get a plaque at Cooperstown! Maybe even I could get in...
But for reals....no. I am of the opinion The Hall is only for the all time greats. I am aware not everyone (including many voters) shares this view. >>
This used to be true but it isn't anymore. Cooperstown decided that there can't be a year where no one gets in, this has led to a bunch of borderline
players getting in and now the HOF isn't the best of the best of the best.
Moyer's stats are better than a guy currently in the Hall during a time when batting is king. He should be in.
Kevin
Stop being such a homer.
Yes Moyer has had a great career. A workhorse and a decent guy to boot.
But and this is a BIG BUT if he wasn't a Phillie YOU would not even know he was alive let alone
touting him for the Hall.
Steve
or pimped his sister out, or had a few too many and ran over a few people, he just had a great career and put up numbers that match a few
guys already in the hall....oh ok, nevermind.
That is probably the first honest thing I have ever seen you post on these boards.
Steve
<< <i>he just had a great career and put up numbers that match a few
guys already in the hall.... >>
He had an average, at best ever so slightly above average, career for someone that pitched for over 20 seasons. His numbers match one or two guys in the HOF that pitched for 20+ seasons 60 years ago.
The highest he ever finished in Cy Young voting was 4th. That was in 2001 and he wasn't even the best pitcher on his team.
Finished in top 10 in majors for walks allowed 6 times. Top 5 four times.
Only made one All Star game.
Never won a Gold Glove.
Back to Cy Young voting, 144 ACTIVE pitchers have received more votes in their careers than Moyer has and he has by far more seasons pitching than any other active pitcher with only a few exceptions.
Hall of Fame material? I don't think so. Hall of Good? Don't think so either. Hall of Average but was able to stay healthy and play forever? Yes.
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<< <i>I thought this thread was about poop?? >>
A nice big pic of Moyer would look good in your sig!
<< <i>A nice big pic of Moyer would look good in your sig! >>
And as usual, you completely ignore a post that shows the facts. Get back under the bed. The wheels have come off your bandwagon once again.
Brian
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<< he just had a great career and put up numbers that match a few
guys already in the hall.... >>
He had an average, at best ever so slightly above average, career for someone that pitched for over 20 seasons. His numbers match one or two guys in the HOF that pitched for 20+ seasons 60 years ago.
The highest he ever finished in Cy Young voting was 4th. That was in 2001 and he wasn't even the best pitcher on his team.
Finished in top 10 in majors for walks allowed 6 times. Top 5 four times.
Only made one All Star game.
Never won a Gold Glove.
Back to Cy Young voting, 144 ACTIVE pitchers have received more votes in their careers than Moyer has and he has by far more seasons pitching than any other active pitcher with only a few exceptions.
Hall of Fame material? I don't think so. Hall of Good? Don't think so either. Hall of Average but was able to stay healthy and play forever? Yes.
Agreed. If those three guys were still pitching that is probably how the rotation would set up.
<< <i>Seaver, Gibson, Carlton, Moyer....yeah that sounds right..
Agreed. If those three guys were still pitching that is probably how the rotation would set up. >>
I'd have it Gibson, Carlton, Seaver, Moyer...and a mortal lock to win a WS championship - LOL
standard has been drastically lowered. The Hall is only as great as the weakest player. Moyer will be a better pitcher than the bottom rung of the HOF,
you can't deny that. Sure you don't want to hang a plaque next to Spahn, but that isn't what the Hall is about anymore. If line snorting fatty Dave
Parker is in the conversation, then Moyer and his stats in the roid era, must be.
You all don't like the Phillies, thats cool, but the dude should be in! 250+ wins is just as good as 500 homers. You know it, I know it, and James knows it.
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<< <i>You all don't like the Phillies, thats cool, but the dude should be in! 250+ wins is just as good as 500 homers. >>
500 HR's by no means gets you in the hall, or 600 for that matter. How are you so sure that Moyer wasn't roided up? How do you know that no one has mentioned his name simply because he isn't a HOF lock?
...and just so you can read through it again:
He had an average, at best ever so slightly above average, career for someone that pitched for over 20 seasons. His numbers match one or two guys in the HOF that pitched for 20+ seasons 60 years ago.
The highest he ever finished in Cy Young voting was 4th. That was in 2001 and he wasn't even the best pitcher on his team.
Finished in top 10 in majors for walks allowed 6 times. Top 5 four times.
Only made one All Star game.
Never won a Gold Glove.
Back to Cy Young voting, 144 ACTIVE pitchers have received more votes in their careers than Moyer has and he has by far more seasons pitching than any other active pitcher with only a few exceptions.
Hall of Fame material? I don't think so. Hall of Good? Don't think so either. Hall of Average but was able to stay healthy and play forever? Yes.
<< <i>How are you so sure that Moyer wasn't roided up? >>
He is sure because he has a Phillies uni on. The Phillies don't take steroids, every Phillies player will be in the HOF, the Phillies don't sign free agents, and they never make mistakes.
If Moyer was on a different team, stalin would never have started this thread....case closed
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<< <i>I thought this thread was about poop?? >>
A nice big pic of Moyer would look good in your sig! >>
Can I get a nice big pic of Jamie Moyer's poop instead?
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From one homer to another. Think Moyer plays in 2036 Kevin? If so he could have a Topps Heritage card that looks exactly like his rookie card. Guess he'd only have to play in 2035 to get the 2036 card....
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<< <i>When Ibanez gets out of his 1 for 22 slide will we have to endure a thread about him and how great he is?
Steve >>
1-22 officailly makes him a Mercenary by stevek's standards.
Sorry Steve, those be the facts LOL!
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The only thing that we know on these boards is that you know next to nothing about baseball (other than what's fed to you on ESPN SC and Jim Rome), and that you are a bandwagon fan.
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When I googled Jamie Moyer's name and checked to reputable websites I came up with Jamie Moyer's career highlights.
* All-Star (2003)
* World Series champion (2008)
WOW, Holy crap, that's Hall of Fame Material. LMAO at Kevin.
Brian
and he has one more ring than Ted Williams
and your point is?
wait wait, let me guess, he has no gold gloves.
yeah ok
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Moyer was good, but please don't insult anyone's intelligence and claim he is a Hall of Famer.
Steve
<< <i>This is the worse 'homer' thread I have ever read here.
Moyer was good, but please don't insult anyone's intelligence and claim he is a Hall of Famer.
Steve >>
Steve - just for the record, I was just kidding, and I'd be sure some others here were as well...still...Moyer has had a heckuva career and it ain't over yet...be nice to see him get another ring...a class guy on the classiest team in baseball...and a team that is still hungry.
<< <i>...and a team that is still hungry. >>
Yeah, Ryan Howard looks like he is starving.
Also for the record my post was not directed at you but at Stalin.
I agree Moyer is a class act, but don't insult our intelligence and claim the sillies are the classiest in baseball.
I would say 'they are among the classiest in baseball'
So stop being such a homer
Steve
<< <i>Steve
Also for the record my post was not directed at you but at Stalin.
I agree Moyer is a class act, but don't insult our intelligence and claim the sillies are the classiest in baseball.
I would say 'they are among the classiest in baseball'
So stop being such a homer
Steve >>
Yea, but I likes being a homer.
<< <i>Yea, but I likes being a homer. >>
At least you know what state the Phillies play their home games in.
<< <i>Yea, but I likes being a homer.
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