Impressions of this 1806 Half.

FEC

doh

beat up and cleaned...I bet it could tell some cool stories though

TomB

Porous and nasty. There are far better early half dollars on the market.

RYK

My impression is that it is currently for sale on the BST. I would not buy it, since you asked.

GoldenEyeNumismatics

that type of detail degradation and "smushing" is typical of ex-jewelry coins, although the surfaces of that piece look to natural to be from jewelry.

Walkerguy21D

I'm thinking it is better in hand - but that B&W photography, along with the porosity Tom mentioned, gave me an initial impression of a cast counterfeit. I'm NOT saying it is, what I am saying is that if you are trying to sell it (especially on this forum with it's knowledgeable and sometimes tough members), better pics that showcase a more natural look and color will help you.

TomB

It looks like a color image to me, not B&W.

thisnamztaken

For whatever reasons, the photo makes it look porous and unoriginal. I'd pass, unless it was dirt cheap.

FEC

That is a color pic. It looks better in hand. Not sure why the photos came out that way.

TomB

<< <i>That is a color pic. It looks better in hand. Not sure why the photos came out that way. >>


Because the coin is nasty?

metalmeister

I would only buy PCGS Bust coinage.
Too many fakes and messed with 200+ year old coins out there.

FEC

SamByrd

First I am not a expert in this series. I really like this coin I like the look and the fact that it has so much personality. I do think its genuine based on what can be seen and tend to think the coin is market acceptable I would guess it would bring between vg and fine money all things considered. Some cleaning and surface issues as well a few dings the cuds seem to balance that out though. Still a great coin I think.

I would like to see what some of the specialist in this series say about the coin, hopefully more will comment.

Walkerguy21D

Ok, I didn't really mean it was taken as a black and white photo, but it looks like the saturation level was set at -100 (assuming you are using the msft photo editor), or something comparable.

Same coin, same image, saturation adjusted to -100 in the second set of pics. PS - this was $250

ColonialCoinUnion

I don't care for the color, the surfaces or the rims.

Bochiman

Coin is what it is but I really don't care for the SPAMMING

MidLifeCrisis

My first thought when I opened the thread was...nope.

JRocco

The coin in the OP has some major issues that should be reflected in the price of the coin.
I grade this coin about $200 tops.

SamByrd

<< <i>The coin in the OP has some major issues that should be reflected in the price of the coin.
I grade this coin about $200 tops. >>



I think your about right on the price point.

FEC

Except no one anywhere would sell it to you for that price. But other than that, you are spot on!

STONE

<< <i>Except no one anywhere would sell it to you for that price. But other than that, you are spot on! >>


You can find similar ones (like yours) on eBay going for around the $200 mark!

braddick

I like mine better:

FEC

BS.

Here is what you get for $200 on ebay,

EBAY LINK

Nysoto

Most of the diagnostics match 1806 O.116, mid die stage (obverse and reverse cracks become more severe in terminal state). However, the edge issues are NOT cuds. They could be rim bumps, but usually rim bumps do not wear like this. If buying, I would want to examine the edge lettering in person, and do a ring tone test to verify the coin was struck. As others have said, I would pass on this one, as it is not a rare variety.

Baley

decent details but with either burnish or cleaned and retoned. rim damage. nets to VG or so IMO. common variety prices as a type coin

abitofthisabitofthat

Who stabbed the eagle in the heart?

stinkinlincoln

I wouldnt pay $200 for it.


I dont like it at all, but if you do, then thats all that matters,


The one linked on ebay in the NCS holder does more for me than the op coin.

Frankcoins

<< <i>The coin in the OP has some major issues that should be reflected in the price of the coin.
I grade this coin about $200 tops. >>



More like $300 if you actually wanted to own it.

RYK

<< <i>I like mine better:




>>



I like that one a lot.

stinkinlincoln

<<More like $300 if you actually wanted to own it. >>


Not if I wouldnt even pay $200 for it.

FEC

<< <i>I wouldnt pay $200 for it.


I dont like it at all, but if you do, then thats all that matters,


The one linked on ebay in the NCS holder does more for me than the op coin. >>



If that is true, then I have either truly failed in my photography, or you dont know your coins at all.

No one that has even a cursory knowledge of coins would pick that NCS coin over the one I have in person.

My guess you are just trying to be a smart ass which happens a lot in this forum by guys that want to sound like they know everything. I guess the bottom line is, I really dont care. But, I cant wait to update you personally though when I sell if for around $600.


Bobby

stinkinlincoln

<<If that is true, then I have either truly failed in my photography, or you dont know your coins at all.>>

Because I dont like your coin I dont know coins? I can see where this conversation is headed.

<<No one that has even a cursory knowledge of coins would pick that NCS coin over the one I have in person.>>

I disagree. How do you know what anyone else would do? What you THINK someone else would do doesnt really matter here.


<<My guess you are just trying to be a smart ass which happens a lot in this forum by guys that want to sound like they know everything. I guess the bottom line is, I really dont care. But, I cant wait to update you personally though when I sell if for around $600. >>

Ill post one last time, to clear up my view on these coins. Im already being called a smart ass for not liking your coin so after this, there is no need to post.
No, Im not being a smart ass. I dont like the coin in the op. Sorry if that bothers you. You asked in your op for opinions. Thats my opinion.
As to your comment about NCS, well, NCS coins have made it into graded PCGS slabs, so their opinion is just as varying at times, and just as good.


If you sell it for $600... Good for you. I dont collect these coins. That doesnt mean I dont know what I like.



Also, my post were not meant to bash your coin, obviously you took it as I did.

doh

<< <i>But, I cant wait to update you personally though when I sell if for around $600. >>


Who do you think will pay that much for it? Are you going to list it on eBay?? If you do, please put up a link in the BST so I can watch your auction.

FEC

<< <i><<If that is true, then I have either truly failed in my photography, or you dont know your coins at all.>>

Because I dont like your coin I dont know coins? I can see where this conversation is headed.

<<No one that has even a cursory knowledge of coins would pick that NCS coin over the one I have in person.>>

I disagree. How do you know what anyone else would do? What you THINK someone else would do doesnt really matter here.


<<My guess you are just trying to be a smart ass which happens a lot in this forum by guys that want to sound like they know everything. I guess the bottom line is, I really dont care. But, I cant wait to update you personally though when I sell if for around $600. >>

Ill post one last time, to clear up my view on these coins. Im already being called a smart ass for not liking your coin so after this, there is no need to post.
No, Im not being a smart ass. I dont like the coin in the op. Sorry if that bothers you. You asked in your op for opinions. Thats my opinion.
As to your comment about NCS, well, NCS coins have made it into graded PCGS slabs, so their opinion is just as varying at times, and just as good.


If you sell it for $600... Good for you. I dont collect these coins. That doesnt mean I dont know what I like.



Also, my post were not meant to bash your coin, obviously you took it as I did.

>>



I dont care if you like it, but when you said you would rather have the NCS one, I believe you were trying to be a jerk. Because I do not think any objective. knowledgable coin collector on this planet would do that.

And for you to say you would.....seems like you are just trying to find a way to be argumentative. Whatever.

No need for a back and forth. You dont like it, I get it.

The coin is already on ebay and is easy to find.

FEC

<< <i>

<< <i>But, I cant wait to update you personally though when I sell if for around $600. >>


Who do you think will pay that much for it? Are you going to list it on eBay?? If you do, please put up a link in the BST so I can watch your auction. >>



I have a coin shop. Been in business 15 years. I know what I can get for certain coins and I am 100% certain I will sell this coin for no less than $600.

If anyone doubts it, then I guess that somehow the pics have not accurately portrayed the coin. The "problems" on this coin are very minor and the eye appeal and details are outstanding. At least in hand....

Danegeld

Good Luck from a raw coin collector...

Ben

abitofthisabitofthat

Well, you did ask about opinions on the coin... It seems consensus here is that the problems are not minor - cleaned, porous, rim damage, gouge, etc. I wish you best of luck on getting $600 for it. For comparison, here is one that I have listed on the BST for $750. It is an 1805, PCGS VF25 and strong for the grade. If a coin like mine is offered at $750, I would have to believe that your would need to be more heavily discounted. Will you let us know how it goes on ebay?

(BTW, I don't mind posting a coin that I have for sale since this started out as a spam thread anyway).

SamByrd

<< <i>

<< <i>The coin in the OP has some major issues that should be reflected in the price of the coin.
I grade this coin about $200 tops. >>



More like $300 if you actually wanted to own it. >>



for that coin thats not out of reason though more then I would pay.

zrlevin

As another raw coin guy, I can say that I do not like this coin at all I wouldn't pay more than face value...maybe melt if I was feeling generous.

Now Pat's coin and the one a couple posts up from mine...

TomB

<< <i>

<< <i>But, I cant wait to update you personally though when I sell if for around $600. >>


Who do you think will pay that much for it? Are you going to list it on eBay?? If you do, please put up a link in the BST so I can watch your auction. >>


He doesn't need to do that since he started a BST thread for the coin at $695 only 37 minutes after he started this SPAM thread.

FEC

Just to sort of say "I told ya so" I just sold it on ebay for $550. Didnt quite get to the $600 I predicted. But, hey at least I was somehow able to get over $200 for it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170372590510

nankraut

<< <i>

<< <i>I wouldnt pay $200 for it.


I dont like it at all, but if you do, then thats all that matters,


The one linked on ebay in the NCS holder does more for me than the op coin. >>



If that is true, then I have either truly failed in my photography, or you dont know your coins at all.

No one that has even a cursory knowledge of coins would pick that NCS coin over the one I have in person.

My guess you are just trying to be a smart ass which happens a lot in this forum by guys that want to sound like they know everything. I guess the bottom line is, I really dont care. But, I cant wait to update you personally though when I sell if for around $600.


Bobby >>



WHAT???

FEC

Sometimes people just get pleasure in here by criticizing and acting as though they are superior. Thats just a dark side of human nature.

When you get a comment like "I wouldnt pay $200 for it" then you know that you are dealing with someone who just wants to pick a fight and pretend he has some higher knowledge than anyone else.

Whatever though. I knew it would sell high, because it is a nice coin and a tough coin in that grade.

FEC

tradedollarnut

Looks like a cast fake to me ... but what do I know.

doh

I wonder if FEC will be so smug when the coin gets returned to him by an unhappy eBay bidder

FEC

That is a valid comment. I worried about that myself when I first saw it.

But, the weight, diameter and the fact it has been heavily circulated make me think it is real. We spent a lot of time looking at the coin under the microscope before we bought it. If the buyer send's it in and it came back fake, we have a policy of giving a full refund in addition to their TPG fees. So far we have (knock on wood) never had it happen.

We are a B&M store, PCGS and ANA members.

FEC

FEC

<< <i>I wonder if FEC will be so smug when the coin gets returned to him by an unhappy eBay bidder >>



Now I am going to have to remind you and rub it in your face once again when he leaves a positive feedback! You are a glutton for punishment!

doh

<< <i>Now I am going to have to remind you and rub it in your face once again when he leaves a positive feedback! >>


Oh FEC, you won't get a chance to "rub it in my face" as I've already blocked your PMs. Your obnoxious message this morning was enough for me. In truth, I hope your buyer is happy. However, the only way for your buyer to be happy with that coin is if they are a newbie who will look back at this purchase as the cost of learning how to distinguish quality coins from junk. You did a nice job in your listing of guaranteeing the coin to be authentic when you freely admit here that you were unsure, but now you "think it's real." And I absolutely love the comment that the rim damage "may have happened at the mint" You have a career in politics ahead of you my friend as you're the king of spin.

tradedollarnut

By rim damage do you mean the funky denticulation on the lower obverse?

FEC

<< <i>

<< <i>Now I am going to have to remind you and rub it in your face once again when he leaves a positive feedback! >>


Oh FEC, you won't get a chance to "rub it in my face" as I've already blocked your PMs. Your obnoxious message this morning was enough for me. In truth, I hope your buyer is happy. However, the only way for your buyer to be happy with that coin is if they are a newbie who will look back at this purchase as the cost of learning how to distinguish quality coins from junk. You did a nice job in your listing of guaranteeing the coin to be authentic when you freely admit here that you were unsure, but now you "think it's real." And I absolutely love the comment that the rim damage "may have happened at the mint" You have a career in politics ahead of you my friend as you're the king of spin. >>



You didnt like my message?? Awwww. Hurts seeing your own words thrown in your face doesnt it?

The coin IS guaranteed to be authentic. Precisely how I explained in the previous posting. No one "KNOWS" for sure ever with a coin. But, if there is every a question, we stand behind out coins and that is what a guarantee is. A lifetime guarantee on an appliance doesnt mean its guaranteed not to break down, it means it is warrantied if it does. I think that is obvious to most people except perhaps you.

Clearly I have a history of misrepresenting coins right? I mean just check my feedback. 100% positive and all DSR's 4.9 or higher. Yep, I am a crook alright!

I think my description of the issue of the rim was fair and accurate. It almost looks "cud like" and I pointed it out in the description. You laughed hearilty when I said I would sell it for around $600. You even included one of these: You said "who is gonna buy it"...well it didnt take a week and someone did. Could it be you are not as smart as you think you are? Could it be you are a "hater"?

FEC

Nysoto

<< <i>think my description of the issue of the rim was fair and accurate. It almost looks "cud like" and I pointed it out in the description. >>


This is a false statement. There is no cud on this obverse die during the O-116 pairing, or on its final usage with O-117. The edge problem is not mint made. The buyer should be made aware of this.