Does the value of Vintage (Pre 1970) increase with all the steroid alligations?

1960toppsguy

Sure seems like it would add validity to the numbers of the players that did it honest; not that there was ever any significant value to modern material in the first place. What happens to all the high $ modern cards of the A-Rods, Roger Clemens, Chipper Jones, David Ortiz, Greg Maddux, Barry Bonds etc.?

itzagoner

how did Maddog get thrown in with all those galoots?!?

Dboneesq

What happens to Bonds cards? Take a look ... it happened already!

1960toppsguy

What? Did he just gain 30 pounds over his career because he plays a lot of golf and drinks good wine?

lsutigers1973

This douchebag always throws Maddux's name in.

itzagoner

i'm in stitches.

1960toppsguy

Personal Foul! Unnecessary Language, 15 Yards, loss of down!

1960toppsguy

NOW, Back to the original question please . . .

bigwilli

No..........Why would you even put Chipper Jones or Greg Maddux in that list of players

lsutigers1973

Your "evidence" that Maddux used roids is that he gained 30 pounds over the course of 22 years? Maddux was 21 when he debuted for the Cubs. He gains a little over a pound a year for 22 years and that makes it obvious that he used? What douchebaggery.

itzagoner

i think the answers are all pretty clear, take a look at who people speak about with reverence around here.

you can make all the assumptions you want, certain guys will represent to us what the game is all about......desire, determination, talent, accomplishment......until someone knocks any of 'em off the pedestal, we will continue to believe, ok?

1960toppsguy

Chipper was a stick man when he came up, follown the career and the horseshoe that the numbers lead you to and it becomes quite obvious. It's OK to be in denial, it's happened to some of my favorites as well.

itzagoner

theorizing in your way demands that we believe Tony Gwynn got that big without cheeseburgers.

heh heh.

1960toppsguy

Please define "douchebaggery" as it pertains to Websters International Dictionary?

lsutigers1973

Chipper was a stick figure when drafted because he was still a child. I have lost about 20 punds in the last 2 years and still weigh about 30 pounds more than I did when I graduated from high school.

BTW, Chipper only weighs about 190 and is 6' 3" which is average weight for his height for a healthy athlete.

1960toppsguy

PED do not increase the waistline, they increase all areas in proportion. He was just a great, fat guy who could hit, kinda like Kruk or Ruth.

itzagoner

i just looked at all my 50's and 60's and early 70's stuff and determined that most of these guys were on some kind of pain meds or perhaps a stimulant to keep them going during those long, hot summer months.....i'm not prepared to make accusations or present my findings to Congress, but you guys can have all my cards.

i'm ashamed.

1960toppsguy

DUDE, I'm not asking you to sell your "Chipper" collection . . . Hold on to it for another year . . . then sell on the news.

lsutigers1973

Hank Aaron and Mickey Mantle were both on roids. They both gained over 40 pounds over the course of their careers.

itzagoner

and i believe Lou Brock had some of his heavier organs removed so he could run faster.

1960toppsguy

Aaron came to the Majors @ 175 lbs. and finished his career at the same weight as did Mantle, Mays, Koufax etc. I don't recall any of them having any serious personality disorders either. I think Mr. Jones did about 6-8 years ago and he was often hampered by injuries after that. Do some homework and the write your post.

itzagoner

Aaron also gained an unfair advantage by learning the game while hitting a pop cap with a broomstick, and then graduated to a bat and ball at the expense of his properly trained peers.

you do realize this will never end, right?

1960toppsguy

It just did, I made my point . . . I'm out

CrimsonTider

Some of our forum users just want to be heard. 1960's, we have heard what you have to say.


The answer to your poorly asked question is a resounding NO! There are no cards that will be going up in this market due to a recession.


Your tireless beating of the "Maddux on roids" drum is becoming a little dull. If you still want to be heard and have someone pay some you attention to you, I would suggest another avenue. How about going on the vintage board and start mouthing off about Mantle being overrated or some other 'stupidly' thought out quote. But for the love of 88 Donruss, will you leave Maddux alone for awhile?

itzagoner

BTW, allegation would be the correct spelling, in this case.

is a claim of a fact by a party in a pleading, which the party claims to be able to prove. Allegations remain assertions without proof, until they can be proved.



pfffft.

lsutigers1973

Mantle was 4 inches shorter and 20 pounds heavier than Chipper. Mantle must have been roided up.

itzagoner

dude hit a ball 565 feet.

sweet spot?

juicer.

lsutigers1973

Aaron was 150 when drafted and 180 when he retired. Do your own research before posting.

bigred1

Sure did not help Maddux throw any harder.

WinPitcher

No.


Steve

swartz1

It certainly wont hurt the value of them...

If people (collectors) arent buying Bonds. Clemens, Arod cards anymore...

What are they buying?

Yankees001

Carney Lansford. All Carney Lansford. The greatest ever.

Yankees001

No waite make that Harold Baines.

hammered

60Toppsguy
If your only evidence for steroids is weight gain, then you are a moron.

lsutigers1973

<< <i>then you are a moron. >>

WinPitcher

Photostamps.


Steve

1960toppsguy

Don't get me wrong, I like Maddux alot, I was also a Clemens fan and he was thought to be a naturalist by every person on earth which was evidenced by his respect and dedication for the game and his family alike. Lets wait for the evidence before we decide for sure . . . that would be a fair assesment of this.

thunderdan

Good Lord, are we still on the Maddux?

minnesotahusker

<< <i>Your "evidence" that Maddux used roids is that he gained 30 pounds over the course of 22 years? Maddux was 21 when he debuted for the Cubs. He gains a little over a pound a year for 22 years and that makes it obvious that he used? What douchebaggery. >>



Hell, I've gained over 50 pounds in 22 years...I'm not on roids. Maddux and Jones should stay off the list until outed...isn't there something about innocent until proven guilty?

thunderdan

Have you looked at Maddux's velocity over time? It's gone way, way down. He was only able to stay in the majors due to placement. Nothing about the guy's physique screams HGH or otherwise. Are you kidding?

swartz1

<< <i>Photostamps.


Steve >>



Breaking cardinal rule #1

I am sure you will have a "cute" response though...

get up and go...

akuracy503

I doubt the pre era will increase just based on collectors shifting their focus because of steroids.
The drive behind modern stuff won't change, it has a niche that always bring that current collecting/pack ripping experience.

Cokin75

No way did Aaron use steroids, but the guy had to have weighed more than 180 lbs. when he retired. I remember him playing out the string for the Brewers, and he had a pretty big beer gut going.