A TTMer's rant...

yankeeno7

Sorry if this sounds like whining but Im a little P.O.'ed right now.

So I send Joe Garagiola a 1952 Topps card and 10 bucks to sign it. Yesterday I get back a 1954 Archives signed instead of my 1952 Topps. First, Im thinking he mixed up the cards with someone else. Then, talking to another person who does 1952's autographed (yes, we know who he is), I find out that Garagiola did the same thing to him! Apparently Garagiola keeps any 1952 Topps sent to him and returns a CRAP card!

Now, to me this is STEALING. He charges for his signature through the mail so Im not asking something for nothing.

Should I just let this go and never send another 52 Topps? Should I write a letter asking him to return my card even if unsigned?

Are atheletes, current or retired ENTITLED to keep items sent to them? I know I know...never send anything you are not willing to lose. Thats not my point here. I can understand not sending something back if SASE was not enclosed. I just dont understand this type of entitlement I guess.

Ok, thats my rant...I feel better now

Lothar52

BunchOBull

If charging a fee and there is no disclaimer that any 1952 Topps card sent to him will be kept and replaced, I too consider it stealing.

Others will disagree, but you are paying for a service in this regard.

Dboneesq

I agree with both of you guys. If you sent a letter to him, provided the '52 card and the $10 he requested, how the hell does he think he is entitled to the friggin card?

lsutigers1973

Send him another letter requesting the card back. Then be sure to mention that he is costing himself money because the word is spreading all over the internet that he is a thief.

lawnmowerman

<< <i>If charging a fee and there is no disclaimer that any 1952 Topps card sent to him will be kept and replaced, I too consider it stealing.

Others will disagree, but you are paying for a service in this regard. >>



I agree as well. That is really lame.

lsutigers1973

Is very bad

Dboneesq

CDsNuts

That would be like you sending him a jersey to sign and he sends you a signed ball back.

Stone193

Wow - that's really sorry!

Was the card in good shape? Kind of cheesy!

You could contact him but since you sent it to him - and he didn't request it - he could claim it now belongs to him? I thought there was something in postal law/regulation about receiving unwanted/unrequested items in the mail?

mike

HighChopper

I heard Peyton Manning say that he too keeps the "cool" stuff, but generally returns something equally "cool" in exchange.

itzagoner

say it ain't so.

nightcrawler

Ignorant thief. Not a very nice thing to do.

lsutigers1973

I think he does it because he is from Canada, or at least visited Canada once and it kind of rubbed off on him.

lawnmowerman

Barry, you need to sign him up at mailpoop.com. Somebody here once posted the link. Check it out

link

qualitycards

That stinks!
I would send him back a letter w/ the '54 archives card and voice your displeasure.
No threats or profanity, just a nice letter stating you are not satisfied.

EB22

<< <i>

>>



Thanks for the visual!

EB22

Looks like he has no problem signing reprint 52's http://cgi.ebay.com/JOE-GARAGIOLA-HAND-SIGNED-1952-TOPPS-RP-PSA-DNA-SLAB_W0QQitemZ390070192951QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5ad1fecb37&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

I say write him a letter and get your card back...

nightcrawler

If only there was someone who could protect us from this type of thing...

lawnmowerman

lsutigers1973

Canadian hatter.

Barfvader

<< <i> >>




YIKES!!!!

yankeeno7

Thanks for the input everyone...I think I'll do that...I'll send him back the archives card and request my 52 back.

itzagoner

bighurt2000

Maybe it's not him that is taking them maybe he has somebody doing his fan mail. He may sign
a bunch of 1954 Archives and have someone else open your letters and mail them back to you.
That person maybe the one taking them.

Only a thought.

James

storm888

<< <i>Thanks for the input everyone...I think I'll do that...I'll send him back the archives card and request my 52 back. >>



////////////////////////////////

That is a good start.

......

His keeping of the card is actionable, if he has held himself out - or knowingly
allowed others to hold him out - publicly as a TTM-signer for fees/donations.
Clearly, he has done so.

In the event that he were to have "lost" your card, his substitution of the "lost"
card with one of his generic cards would likely be the best remedy you could
expect.

Cards like the one he sent you often retail in the $40 range. They can usually
be had for less, on EBAY.

..........................

Personally, I don't like the guy and would not give 5-cents for his sig.

His arrogant codgerism is seen as charming by some folks; not by me.

therebelas

<< <i>Barry, you need to sign him up at mailpoop.com. Somebody here once posted the link. Check it out

link >>



I heard Lance Moran of Sioux Falls, SD is a real popular guy.

PowderedH2O

I think Joe has been following the threads and is hoping to accumulate enough of his 52 cards to trade his way to a 52 Mantle.

yankeeno7

An interesting development....

I got an email today from Garagiola's "handler". Stating that they must have sent the card to the wrong person. After he chews my ass out for being insensitive LOL, he then states that Mr Garagiola is willing to replace my 52 Topps with a signed 52 Bowman. (Im sure it will be beat to hell too)

Hmmmm...so let me get this right...you dont believe you owe me anything but are willing to replace my vintage card with a much less expensive vintage card. What kind of stash have you kept, Mr Handler? I asked for my card back (or monetary replacement which I asked 30.00 for) and my 10.00 signing fee. That was refused.

My guess is that Joe Garagiola doesnt even know this has happened and that his handler is stealing from TTMers. I am now wondering if I should let this go or if I should let in to this handler. Im sure that Garagiola gets his share of requests but I highly doubt he has so much coming in that there are so many mix ups.

VitoCo1972

<< <i>

My guess is that Joe Garagiola doesnt even know this has happened and that his handler is stealing from TTMers. >>



Now THAT wouldn't surprise me. If it's true, that dude is a total scumbag.

ripkenintheminors

Wow and disappointing.

swartz1

send him the auto'd archives back and tell him you want your original card back (and send him $10 too)...see what he does...

it is funny the guy will keep the $10 but not auto what you ask him?

LAME...

yankeeno7

Swartz
That is exactly what I did. I sent a letter with another sase, returning the archives card. I asked for my card back (or monetary reimbursement) plus my 10.00 sig fee.

This was my follow up by Garagiola's "handler".

He's handling alright...cards right in his collection.

Dboneesq

<< <i>Swartz
That is exactly what I did. I sent a letter with another sase, returning the archives card. I asked for my card back (or monetary reimbursement) plus my 10.00 sig fee.
This was my follow up by Garagiola's "handler".
He's handling alright...cards right in his collection. >>



What addy are you using? This may be his home:

7433 East Tuckey Lane
Scottsdale, AZ 85250

ripkenintheminors

So the handler called you insensitive? How did the handler come up with that one?

On another note, Peyton Manning signs TTM?

yankeeno7

Yes Doug, that is the address I used.

Handler said I was insensitive for insinuating that someone is stealing the more valuable cards. Because Joe is gracious enough to sign even while ill. The handler is a first class a-hole.

Yeah, Manning will sometimes sign one item.

baseballfan

i would ask for the card back, what the worse he can do not reply at least you would feel better

gregm13

I've just had the same thing happen to me with Frank Gifford. I sent a 1952 Bowman Small and $20 and I get back a f'ing 2001 Topps Heritage Flashback card that was signed with a dry black marker.

It's possible that the person opening his mail stole the card... A lot of players have people helping them w/ the mail and it would be awful easy for them to steal money and/or cards with impunity.

Rgs,

Greg M.