Ortiz on 'roids - confirmed.

MantleMarisFordBerra

Guess those milkshakes from down south really did pack an extra puch? He needs to get back on the juice if the BoSox want to see the postseason this year.

Read it and weep Sox fans.

From The New York Times: Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz, the sluggers who propelled the Boston Red Sox to end an 86-year World Series championship drought and to capture another title three years later, were among the roughly 100 Major League Baseball players to test positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, according to lawyers with knowledge of the results

Goot

After all that stuff he said earlier, this is even more embarrassing.

WeekendHacker

RSN is in shock today (although maybe we shouldn't be). It's a very, very sad day not only for RSN, but until this entire list is exposed (yes, it was supposed to be destroyed) this festering wound will keep infecting the sport as the names keep getting slowly released. The media wouldn't have it any other way, shock value news makes news. If all 104 names came out at the same time it wouldn't have the same impact so expect another name to come out in a month or two which will make headlines. Enough already, just release the list.

Barndog

no shock, no surprise here. His stellar performance followed by weird injury and then lack of performance was a good indicator.

jackstraw

I was just going to say that. I am not surprised at all.

digicat

The news that he's been outted doesn't seem to have affected him much. So far he's 2-3 with a HR and 3 RBI in today's game.

edmundfitzgerald

<< <i>RSN is in shock today (although maybe we shouldn't be). It's a very, very sad day not only for RSN, but until this entire list is exposed (yes, it was supposed to be destroyed) this festering wound will keep infecting the sport as the names keep getting slowly released. . >>

Gonblott

No surprise, hes called Big Papi for a reason.

Brian48

I always wondered why in '05 he was so supportive of Bonds. I couldn't imagine why anyone would not see what a big cheat he (Bonds) was. Well, now I know why.

ddfamf

I'm surprised there wasn't MORE than 103 names on the list....

perkdog

I cant believe a thread was started on this..

I thought EVERYONE knew he was on the juice?

ymarea

Ortiz AND Ramirez...what a shocker! Next thing ya know we'll hear that Bagwell, Luis Gonzalez, and Pujols use PEDs.

Today's game has become a joke. It was headed that way long before the steroid era, but 'roids just hastened things along.

joestalin

What is with Boston teams needing to cheat to win? Something in the water up there?

WinPitcher

Phillie players were cheating back then as well....they just did not win.

As for why only 103 players were caught, they KNEW a test was coming.


As for Papi he was just doing what 80-85% of the players were doing.


Boston won those series fair and square.


Just like the teams before them did.


Steve

swartz1

post some names...

I'd be interested in seeing who these "Phillie players" were/are...

Hoopster

<< <i>post some names...

I'd be interested in seeing who these "Phillie players" were/are... >>



Ryan Howard, Brett Myers, Aaron Rowand(who is the biggest juicer), Pat Burrell, Ibanez, Rollins. Those are a few.

digicat

<< <i>Aaron Rowand(who is the biggest juicer), >>



I wish he brought that same juice with him to SF! Whatever he's on now isn't working.

perkdog

<< <i>What is with Boston teams needing to cheat to win? Something in the water up there? >>




The Sillies have had just as many cheaters and just like Steve said they were just not good enough to win- which is pretty comical ( and embaressing )

perkdog

<< <i>Phillie players were cheating back then as well....they just did not win.

As for why only 103 players were caught, they KNEW a test was coming.


As for Papi he was just doing what 80-85% of the players were doing.


Boston won those series fair and square.


Just like the teams before them did.


Steve >>




Ahhhh a breath of fresh air! Someone gets it!

joestalin

<< <i>

<< <i>post some names...

I'd be interested in seeing who these "Phillie players" were/are... >>



Ryan Howard, Brett Myers, Aaron Rowand(who is the biggest juicer), Pat Burrell, Ibanez, Rollins. Those are a few. >>



where did this info come from

edmundfitzgerald

<< <i>

<< <i>

<< <i>post some names...

I'd be interested in seeing who these "Phillie players" were/are... >>



Ryan Howard, Brett Myers, Aaron Rowand(who is the biggest juicer), Pat Burrell, Ibanez, Rollins. Those are a few. >>



where did this info come from >>




Dutch Daulton, John Kruk, and Lenny Dykstra.

WinPitcher

Stalin and Swartz I did not say Phillie players were juicing today.

I said they had juiced. Please don't insult out collective intelligence and claim your team

was always clean.

Steve

lawnmowerman

<< <i>Stalin and Swartz I did not say Phillie players were juicing today >>




I will.

At 37, Ibanez is on pace for 40+ hrs. Can you say juicy juice?

swartz1

<< <i>Stalin and Swartz I did not say Phillie players were juicing today.

I said they had juiced. Please don't insult out collective intelligence and claim your team

was always clean.

Steve >>



Never said that...all I asked for were names...

and someone supplied...

dont read into statements or questions please...

WinPitcher

BS

2 minutes after I made my post you chimed in with:

post some names...

I'd be interested in seeing who these "Phillie players" were/are..



The keyword being 'are'


Thus my reply.

Nice try, as usual.


Steve

IchiroDeported

Ibanez is having a career year, true, but i doubt he is on steroids. He put up solid numbers for a number of years playing for some craptacular teams. makes all the difference in the world when you have guys like utley and Howard in the lineup.

ernie11

<< <i>

<< <i>What is with Boston teams needing to cheat to win? Something in the water up there? >>




The Sillies have had just as many cheaters and just like Steve said they were just not good enough to win- which is pretty comical ( and embaressing ) >>



To steal the old joke, the Phils were so dumb they injected themselves with cork and filled their hollowed bats with steroids!

swartz1

"your replies" as usual, are full of insinuations...

then you repudiate...

c'mon it gets old...

BS on you...

WinPitcher

What gets old is how you get owned time after time.


Steve

WinPitcher

I find it funny how 2 minutes after I stated Phillie players took roids too

that you asked for names.

It is not like 10 other people said it. Just me.

So who were you replying to?


OWNED


BAM


Steve

swartz1

and it is funny how you have yet to name players with your sources...

cant wait for this...

HOW DO I SAY IT...

OWNED...AND OUT...

WinPitcher

lol keep posting, the more you do the more foolish you appear.

Are you saying NO Phillie has ever used PED's?

Is that what you are saying?


Go back and re read my original post, you know the one you later claimed you were not

replying too. I never said that I could name a specific player and I never said I had any sources.


Furthermore I'll stand by my original comment and I'll state it again and hopefully this time you will comprehend it.


Some Phillie players have used in the past, they just did not win a WS at that time. The WS the Red Sox won were won fair and square.

Hopefully this time you will comprehend my meaning.

WinPitcher

If we were in a sandbox Swartz would be the guy that says:

I know you are but what am I.

Do yourself a favor and come up with your own material.


What's next? na na na na?


Steve

jackstraw

Didn't Mike Schmidt admit to taking greenies?

Connecticoin

Is was not 'roids, it was a Papi-seed Bagel!

swartz1

blanket statement...

no news is no news...

good try...

back peddle some more...

WinPitcher

Ok I'll bite.

How about these two guys:

J C Romero Source? MLB


Len Dykstra, source Dykstra himself.


Back pedaling? Yeah ok, probably looks like that to you since you have problems with reading comprehension.


And fwiw didn't Romero get caught using just after the WS? If so, then if the Sox's championships are tainted the Sillies must be too.

perkdog

<< <i>Ok I'll bite.

How about these two guys:

J C Romero Source? MLB


Len Dykstra, source Dykstra himself.


Back pedaling? Yeah ok, probably looks like that to you since you have problems with reading comprehension.


And fwiw didn't Romero get caught using just after the WS? If so, then if the Sox's championships are tainted the Sillies must be too. >>





Exactly.

swartz1

somebody says Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz...

and you say Lenny Dykstra and J.C Romero...

dont you see how comical that is...

WinPitcher

No what's comical is that you asked for names and I gave them to you and yet you still need to act the part of the fool.





Keep posting I need a good laugh.


Steve

swartz1

you said...Phillie players were cheating back then as well...

implying some BIG names...

one from the 2000's (Romero)

do you have anything else? Phillie players? plural...

you gotta go back to the early 90's???

like I said comical...

WinPitcher

I did not imply anything other then what I said.



Do yourself a favor and take your own advice and

don't read into things!


Cuz as usual you look foolish.

My post was in reply to Stalin who made no mention of 'big names'


Boy you really are reaching now.

WinPitcher

See post below.

WinPitcher

10 ex-Phillies who did: center fielder Lenny Dykstra; catchers Todd Pratt, Benito Santiago, Gary Bennett and Bobby Estallela; pitchers Ryan Franklin, Jason Grimsley and Paul Byrd; third baseman David Bell; and infielder/outfielder Jeremy Giambi.



Taken from the Mitchell report.


Ok Swartz?

Of course you are so blinded and foolish to believe that your Phillies were always clean.

Comical? yes you are.

WinPitcher

Do me a favor, post one more time, get the last word in cuz i'm done with you.

I'll be sure to see you the next time you post moments after I do in the next thread.


They have a word for that it's called being a troll.

Trevmo

<<They have a word for that it's called being a troll.>>

Here is Steve coming up with the same comment again! Always calling someone a Troll. Steve, come up with something original yourself and stop picking on everyone who puts a reply on these threads.


And Swartz1, I wouldn't mess with WinPitcher. He is a real tough guy, safe at home behind his computer. And if you haven't figured it out yet, he loves to pick on people all day long because his life probably sucks and he can never be wrong in a discussion. Don't worry, he has called me a troll about 10 times now because he can't come up with anything else. If i were you, I would let him trash talk all he wants because then he can get his numbers up to 100,000 so everyone will think he is such an awesome guy!

WinPitcher

I've called you a troll about 10 times now because you are one. The above post bares that out.


Steve