PCGS Certified "Genuine" Counterfeit.....

sebrown

Interesting eBay auction I ran across. The seller claims this item, a 1775 George III British Halfpenny, is a Longneck Variety and is "a member of a known and fully documented family of counterfeits."

Is this something that PCGS would like to be made aware of so they can take the coin off the market?

Was the seller testing the graders at PCGS by knowingly submitting a counterfeit to see if it got slabbed?

Smittys

it's a "Genuine" Counterfeit ...

abitofthisabitofthat

Contemporary counterfeits, such as Machin's Mill pieces, are certified by PCGS as such. They grade them as they would any colonial and clearly state that they are couterfeit. I admit it might be a bit misleasing to see one in a "genuine' holder. But it is just that - a genuine contemporary counterfeit.

PipestonePete

abitofthisabitofthat......are you saying that it indicates that under the sticker?

farthing

Seller trying to build hype for the coin where none is warranted.

BillJones

The Machin's Mills counterfeits have been recognized as legitimate collectable counterfiets for years. The pieces did circulate during that time and they are true collectors' items. In this I guess it's possible to have a "genuine counterfeit."

On the NGC registry it's even worse. There is a top type set over there where a guy has stuck in an MS-65 graded 1804 "restrike" cent in the Draped Bust cent type coin slot. That piece was made from a discarded 1803 cent obverse die (with a re-engraved date) and a discarded 1820 reverse cent die. The piece is a counterfeit that was made for collectors during the 19th century. It's worth about $2,000, but this guy gets the registry points for a $20,000 coin. I've complained about it, but the NGC registry folks won't listen.

PerryHall

The so called New Haven restrike Fugio cent falls into this category of counterfeit collectibles.