<< <i>In this auction someone had cracked out the coin, sent it to PCGS and then to CAC. The coin is now a PCGS MS-61, new holder with a CAC sticker. >>
I hate to be a "me, too" poster, but in this case I will be one with respect to keeping a coin in an older holder with a gold CAC sticker on it rather than cracking it out for a possible upgrade. Part of the reason is that I seem to be stuck in about 1991-1994 as far as my grading standards are concerned and I find that some of these older holder survivors were graded by my standards, which means that I do not want them wallowing in a holder with a grade I do not believe in even if that grade is higher than current. I have submitted five coins that have received a gold CAC sticker and three are OGH coins, one is a doily holder and the last is the PNG hologram blue holder; none have been more recent holders.
<< <i>My most valuable gold coin, nestled for the last four years in a PCGS holder, previously in an NGC fatty, has completely hazed over from putty. It applies to everything. >>
<< <i>My most valuable gold coin, nestled for the last four years in a PCGS holder, previously in an NGC fatty, has completely hazed over from putty. >>
Ouch. Sorry to hear that.
On a brighter note, I'm glad I can retire my sig photo.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
<< <i>Judging by the image, it appears to be accurately graded with the typical rubbing on the cheek and in the hair, for a 55. >>
i am basing my opinion on the pics. please do not go crazy saying i cannot tell because i do not have the coin in hand. of course i do not have the coin in hand. i am going with what i can see, right this second.
i agree with dizzy. the coin does not have light rub.. it has obvious rub. the luster seems to be missing in quite a few areas i would expect an au58 to have. very clean appearance overall but i value luster more then i value a clean surface when grading.
my first impression was a 53.. but since the coin was so clean looking i decided a 55 is appropriate. 58.. based on the pics.. would be overgraded.
<< <i>Judging by the image, it appears to be accurately graded with the typical rubbing on the cheek and in the hair, for a 55. >>
i am basing my opinion on the pics. please do not go crazy saying i cannot tell because i do not have the coin in hand. of course i do not have the coin in hand. i am going with what i can see, right this second.
i agree with dizzy. the coin does not have light rub.. it has obvious rub. the luster seems to be missing in quite a few areas i would expect an au58 to have. very clean appearance overall but i value luster more then i value a clean surface when grading.
my first impression was a 53.. but since the coin was so clean looking i decided a 55 is appropriate. 58.. based on the pics.. would be overgraded. >>
i have to wonder if my confusion surrounding this coin and the sticker has more to do with the price one would have to pay to own the coin versus the technical grade of the coin.
when JA puts a gold sticker on it.. i have to wonder if that means JA would buy the coin for 58 money based on the eye appeal of the coin and what he could sell it for. that gold sticker may have less to do with the technical grade and all about what he can sell it for to a customer of his.
i am not doubting it is a very pretty coin and could fetch 58 money. i am doubting the ability of the coin to be cracked out and gotten into a 58 holder on the first try based on those pics and the lack of luster. pcgs values luster very much as some here know.
Here's the coin. Do see anything here that would make you think that this coin could upgrade from MS-61? To me it barely makes the MS-61 if it makes it at all. It has too many little marks to grade any higher than MS-61.
BUT it does have a CAC sticker.
Maybe I messed up, but I was paying for rarity here. This is the most common date and variety of a very scarce type.
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<< <i>Nice coin Ryk. I am basing that statement on the gold sticker and not the picture. The picture shows a very pretty coin however there is no way
one could tell if that coin is au55 or ms63 . Those of you judging that coin based on that picture are simply jumping to conclusions. >>
the coin has obvious rub... just look at the hair area.. the tops of the feathers... the eye brow... the bottom of the hair...
there is no way in my mind that the coin ever has a shot at MS.
if it does.. the TPG either has no clue what it is doing anymore or i am going blind. perhaps there are strike issues for this date i am not aware of but i am doubting that avenue as i do not recall any.
<< <i>Here's the coin. Do see anything here that would make you think that this coin could upgrade from MS-61? To me it barely makes the MS-61 if it makes it at all.
BUT it does have a CAC sticker.
Maybe I messed up, but I was paying for rarity here. This is the most common date and variety of a very scarce type. >>
bill, it is really hard to judge the luster left on the obv.. and it appears it would be net graded anyway due to a cleaning that left hair lines.
it does appear to be a net MS coin though and it seems the TPG did a good job with it.
<< <i>Here's the coin. Do see anything here that would make you think that this coin could upgrade from MS-61? To me it barely makes the MS-61 if it makes it at all.
BUT it does have a CAC sticker.
Maybe I messed up, but I was paying for rarity here. This is the most common date and variety of a very scarce type. >>
bill, it is really hard to judge the luster left on the obv.. and it appears it would be net graded anyway due to a cleaning that left hair lines.
it does appear to be a net MS coin though and it seems the TPG did a good job with it. >>
I have a coin with more obvious hairlines that PCGS slabbed. It has MS details but PCGS seems to have net graded it as AU55.
<< <i>bill, it is really hard to judge the luster left on the obv.. and it appears it would be net graded anyway due to a cleaning that left hair lines.
it does appear to be a net MS coin though and it seems the TPG did a good job with it. >>
The reverse is a full Unc. There is no question about that. But that's not unusual for coins of this vintage. Obverse is almost always the rub, if you will excuse the pun.
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<< <i>pcgs thought it was a 55 back in the day. based on the pics it looks like a 55 to me.
a gold sticker does not suddenly make me change my mind when i see the pics. the lack of luster in the pics actually makes me think 53.
dizzy made some good points and i think he is right on the money.
no happy talk here!
any other pics to share with us? perhaps bigger or showing off the luster i cannot see? >>
It's actually very lustrous, and I think that's what carries the coin. The luster does not show in the photo. I have no interest in making an effort to do so, but if you would like to see the coin in hand, I will be happy to mail it to you (provided that you pay postage both ways).
The whole Browns and Colts thing is why it is hard to follow Pro Football and be a fan...The Colts never should have been permitted to go to Indy and the Browns never should be been permitted to go to Baltimore >>
and the way they treated Johnny Unitas when they left Baltimore is a blight on that franchise. Johnny U was THE player who transformed the NFL from a bunch of Neanderthals beating the crap out of each other in a second rate sport to The National Pastime that we all enjoy today. The Irsays totally dissed him, and he deserved better.
Of course, this point is far more serious than grades and stickers.
It's actually very lustrous, and I think that's what carries the coin. The luster does not show in the photo. I have no interest in making an effort to do so, but if you would like to see the coin in hand, I will be happy to mail it to you (provided that you pay postage both ways). >>
no need to send me the coin. you have it in hand and if you say it has more luster i believe you. if that is the case i can see it going to a 58.
i was discussing the pics... you have it in hand. i know there is a difference.
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<< <i>In this auction someone had cracked out the coin, sent it to PCGS and then to CAC. The coin is now a PCGS MS-61, new holder with a CAC sticker. >>
Crack it, CAC it, and pack it...
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<< <i>My most valuable gold coin, nestled for the last four years in a PCGS holder, previously in an NGC fatty, has completely hazed over from putty. It applies to everything. >>
(jaw drops to the floor)
REALLY?
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I would never think of cracking it out. Such an action
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would seem to be an act against nature.
Camelot
<< <i>My most valuable gold coin, nestled for the last four years in a PCGS holder, previously in an NGC fatty, has completely hazed over from putty. >>
Ouch. Sorry to hear that.
On a brighter note, I'm glad I can retire my sig photo.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
Don't retire it. Just remove the caption.
Edit: Speaking of retiring, I wonder of that hit drove Derrick Mason into retirement.
Camelot
OGH and the Gold Bean...
<< <i>Judging by the image, it appears to be accurately graded with the typical rubbing on the cheek and in the hair, for a 55. >>
i am basing my opinion on the pics. please do not go crazy saying
i cannot tell because i do not have the coin in hand. of course i do not
have the coin in hand. i am going with what i can see, right this second.
i agree with dizzy. the coin does not have light rub.. it has obvious
rub. the luster seems to be missing in quite a few areas i would expect
an au58 to have. very clean appearance overall but i value luster
more then i value a clean surface when grading.
my first impression was a 53.. but since the coin was so clean looking
i decided a 55 is appropriate. 58.. based on the pics.. would be overgraded.
<< <i>
<< <i>Judging by the image, it appears to be accurately graded with the typical rubbing on the cheek and in the hair, for a 55. >>
i am basing my opinion on the pics. please do not go crazy saying
i cannot tell because i do not have the coin in hand. of course i do not
have the coin in hand. i am going with what i can see, right this second.
i agree with dizzy. the coin does not have light rub.. it has obvious
rub. the luster seems to be missing in quite a few areas i would expect
an au58 to have. very clean appearance overall but i value luster
more then i value a clean surface when grading.
my first impression was a 53.. but since the coin was so clean looking
i decided a 55 is appropriate. 58.. based on the pics.. would be overgraded. >>
Oi vay!
Buy the coin, not the photo.
like a 55 to me.
a gold sticker does not suddenly make me change my mind when i see
the pics. the lack of luster in the pics actually makes me think 53.
dizzy made some good points and i think he is right on the money.
no happy talk here!
any other pics to share with us? perhaps bigger or showing off the
luster i cannot see?
<< <i>There was no way that coin could have made it into an MS-62 holder. It was a waste to re-submit it.
You throw enough mud at the wall, some of it sticks. >>
That's some decent and serious grading skills to know an MS61 is no way worthy of the MS62 grade.
peacockcoins
has more to do with the price one would have to pay to own the coin
versus the technical grade of the coin.
when JA puts a gold sticker on it.. i have to wonder if that means JA
would buy the coin for 58 money based on the eye appeal of the coin
and what he could sell it for. that gold sticker may have less to do with
the technical grade and all about what he can sell it for to a customer
of his.
i am not doubting it is a very pretty coin and could fetch 58 money.
i am doubting the ability of the coin to be cracked out and gotten into
a 58 holder on the first try based on those pics and the lack of luster.
pcgs values luster very much as some here know.
BUT it does have a CAC sticker.
Maybe I messed up, but I was paying for rarity here. This is the most common date and variety of a very scarce type.
<< <i>Nice coin Ryk. I am basing that statement on the gold sticker and not the picture. The picture shows a very pretty coin however there is no way
one could tell if that coin is au55 or ms63 . Those of you judging that coin based on that picture are simply jumping to conclusions.
>>
the coin has obvious rub... just look at the hair area.. the tops of
the feathers... the eye brow... the bottom of the hair...
there is no way in my mind that the coin ever has a shot at MS.
if it does.. the TPG either has no clue what it is doing anymore or
i am going blind. perhaps there are strike issues for this date i am
not aware of but i am doubting that avenue as i do not recall any.
<< <i>Here's the coin. Do see anything here that would make you think that this coin could upgrade from MS-61? To me it barely makes the MS-61 if it makes it at all.
BUT it does have a CAC sticker.
Maybe I messed up, but I was paying for rarity here. This is the most common date and variety of a very scarce type.
>>
bill, it is really hard to judge the luster left on the obv.. and it appears
it would be net graded anyway due to a cleaning that left hair lines.
it does appear to be a net MS coin though and it seems the TPG
did a good job with it.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
<< <i>
<< <i>Here's the coin. Do see anything here that would make you think that this coin could upgrade from MS-61? To me it barely makes the MS-61 if it makes it at all.
BUT it does have a CAC sticker.
Maybe I messed up, but I was paying for rarity here. This is the most common date and variety of a very scarce type.
>>
bill, it is really hard to judge the luster left on the obv.. and it appears
it would be net graded anyway due to a cleaning that left hair lines.
it does appear to be a net MS coin though and it seems the TPG
did a good job with it. >>
I have a coin with more obvious hairlines that PCGS slabbed. It has MS details but PCGS seems to have net graded it as AU55.
<< <i>bill, it is really hard to judge the luster left on the obv.. and it appears
it would be net graded anyway due to a cleaning that left hair lines.
it does appear to be a net MS coin though and it seems the TPG
did a good job with it. >>
The reverse is a full Unc. There is no question about that. But that's not unusual for coins of this vintage. Obverse is almost always the rub, if you will excuse the pun.
The whole Browns and Colts thing is why it is hard to follow Pro Football and be a fan...The Colts never should have been permitted to go to Indy and the Browns never should be been permitted to go to Baltimore
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
<< <i>pcgs thought it was a 55 back in the day. based on the pics it looks
like a 55 to me.
a gold sticker does not suddenly make me change my mind when i see
the pics. the lack of luster in the pics actually makes me think 53.
dizzy made some good points and i think he is right on the money.
no happy talk here!
any other pics to share with us? perhaps bigger or showing off the
luster i cannot see? >>
It's actually very lustrous, and I think that's what carries the coin. The luster does not show in the photo. I have no interest in making an effort to do so, but if you would like to see the coin in hand, I will be happy to mail it to you (provided that you pay postage both ways).
<< <i>PS:
The whole Browns and Colts thing is why it is hard to follow Pro Football and be a fan...The Colts never should have been permitted to go to Indy and the Browns never should be been permitted to go to Baltimore >>
and the way they treated Johnny Unitas when they left Baltimore is a blight on that franchise. Johnny U was THE player who transformed the NFL from a bunch of Neanderthals beating the crap out of each other in a second rate sport to The National Pastime that we all enjoy today. The Irsays totally dissed him, and he deserved better.
Of course, this point is far more serious than grades and stickers.
<< <i>
It's actually very lustrous, and I think that's what carries the coin. The luster does not show in the photo. I have no interest in making an effort to do so, but if you would like to see the coin in hand, I will be happy to mail it to you (provided that you pay postage both ways). >>
no need to send me the coin. you have it in hand and if you say it
has more luster i believe you. if that is the case i can see it going to
a 58.
i was discussing the pics... you have it in hand. i know there is a difference.